Liverpool -- READ the stickies!!!!!!!
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Hi
Vampy,Could you send me a PM please on where this source is coming from please as I would like to have a look.
Ive also heard BA are coming back and IB are studying BCN for the summer with an Air Nostrum CRJ.
Thanks
Michael
Vampy,Could you send me a PM please on where this source is coming from please as I would like to have a look.
Ive also heard BA are coming back and IB are studying BCN for the summer with an Air Nostrum CRJ.
Thanks
Michael
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"As far as it diluting Manchester who's cares in fact couldn't give toss which of the two do LHR as long as LPL gets its service, after all VLM do LCY from both MAN/LPL."
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Erm, I'd guess that BA & BMI would both care! Not a particularly airline/commercial orientated view...! The VLM niche market to LCY on a 50 seater F50 is a rather different affair when compared with high frequency Airbus ops to LON. I know that both run in parallel at MAN, but MAN is a very different beast in respect of catchment and traveller perception. If a LPL-LHR or LGW route were to commence I would expect to see the VLM route take a major hit. At the moment, it's the only LON service ex LPL - after much campaigning to get it in place. Hence much of the success (it ain't cheap!).
Surely a lo-co LON route ex LPL would be the best option - LPL-LTN didn't work as it's not exactly the best use of a 737 distance-wise and the economies of scale overall therefore just don't work (regardless of how 'full' services were, the yield just wasn't there) but would a LGW route (i.e. further / south London...many SH and LH connections etc.) not work?
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"As far as it diluting Manchester who's cares in fact couldn't give toss which of the two do LHR as long as LPL gets its service, after all VLM do LCY from both MAN/LPL."
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Erm, I'd guess that BA & BMI would both care! Not a particularly airline/commercial orientated view...! The VLM niche market to LCY on a 50 seater F50 is a rather different affair when compared with high frequency Airbus ops to LON. I know that both run in parallel at MAN, but MAN is a very different beast in respect of catchment and traveller perception. If a LPL-LHR or LGW route were to commence I would expect to see the VLM route take a major hit. At the moment, it's the only LON service ex LPL - after much campaigning to get it in place. Hence much of the success (it ain't cheap!).
Surely a lo-co LON route ex LPL would be the best option - LPL-LTN didn't work as it's not exactly the best use of a 737 distance-wise and the economies of scale overall therefore just don't work (regardless of how 'full' services were, the yield just wasn't there) but would a LGW route (i.e. further / south London...many SH and LH connections etc.) not work?
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I'm a bit bemused by Fo's comments.
Why is Manchester a different beast? - LPL and MAN have similar catchement areas for long haul, but within the UK for domestic routes, few travellers would make the journey to MAN from LPL - The time spend doing so is unrealistic.
Therefore a LPL-LHR link would have few implications for VLM or MAN-LHR, although it may mean less car travel between the 2.
I travel extensively, if I want to go to London I travel VLM (prior to their service starting i used Virgin Trains if I had a day or two spare).
However, if I want to travel long haul - I currently drive to LHR for a flight. Why would MAN flights be involved? I want to travel point to point wherever possible. The only tiime I use MAN is for TFS flights as they are so cheap and all other flights are Full (ie LPL and LBA).
If a LPL - LHR is initiated, I would suggest that only VIRGIN would be affected to any degree, so why the useless comparison with other areas?
Why is Manchester a different beast? - LPL and MAN have similar catchement areas for long haul, but within the UK for domestic routes, few travellers would make the journey to MAN from LPL - The time spend doing so is unrealistic.
Therefore a LPL-LHR link would have few implications for VLM or MAN-LHR, although it may mean less car travel between the 2.
I travel extensively, if I want to go to London I travel VLM (prior to their service starting i used Virgin Trains if I had a day or two spare).
However, if I want to travel long haul - I currently drive to LHR for a flight. Why would MAN flights be involved? I want to travel point to point wherever possible. The only tiime I use MAN is for TFS flights as they are so cheap and all other flights are Full (ie LPL and LBA).
If a LPL - LHR is initiated, I would suggest that only VIRGIN would be affected to any degree, so why the useless comparison with other areas?
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Liverpool Airport has always suffered in the past because many of the business community in Merseyside live at the farest parts of the county from the airport, that is around Formby and on the Wirral.
Manchester Airport was nearly as easy to get to as Liverpool. For many passengers this remains the case, especially for those on the Wirral.
Thankfully the Knowsley Expressway has made the airport much easier to get to for many people. The opening of the South Liverpool Parkway station later this year should encourage more people to use Merseyrail to get to the airport.
Many people who live nearer Liverpool Airport are still forced to use Manchester, as LJL is not connected to the world. Should Liverpool get services from any full service carriers these people could then use their local airport.
It will be important, though, for Liverpool Airport to ensure that passengers can add to the few minutes saved in travelling. Currently VLM customers can park near the terminal, check in quickly and are fast tracked through security. These facilities would need to be offered to all full fare passengers.
Manchester Airport was nearly as easy to get to as Liverpool. For many passengers this remains the case, especially for those on the Wirral.
Thankfully the Knowsley Expressway has made the airport much easier to get to for many people. The opening of the South Liverpool Parkway station later this year should encourage more people to use Merseyrail to get to the airport.
Many people who live nearer Liverpool Airport are still forced to use Manchester, as LJL is not connected to the world. Should Liverpool get services from any full service carriers these people could then use their local airport.
It will be important, though, for Liverpool Airport to ensure that passengers can add to the few minutes saved in travelling. Currently VLM customers can park near the terminal, check in quickly and are fast tracked through security. These facilities would need to be offered to all full fare passengers.
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Liverpool Airport is to campaign for a direct airlink between the city and New York.
Airport managers also want to see a service between Boston and Liverpool to capture business and tourism trade.
A high powered working party has been established to spearhead the campaign to persuade a major US based carrier to introduce a scheduled Liverpool service.
The aim is to introduce transatlantic links in time for Liverpool's 2007 birthday celebrations and its Capital of Culture year in 2008.
Airport managers also want to see a service between Boston and Liverpool to capture business and tourism trade.
A high powered working party has been established to spearhead the campaign to persuade a major US based carrier to introduce a scheduled Liverpool service.
The aim is to introduce transatlantic links in time for Liverpool's 2007 birthday celebrations and its Capital of Culture year in 2008.
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There are several items in todays press regarding Liverpool.
Staying with the New York and Boston articles, one of the airlines targetted is said to be, from the journalists (a group of people not usually knowledgable in matters aviation) findings, Continental Airlines.
Staying with the New York and Boston articles, one of the airlines targetted is said to be, from the journalists (a group of people not usually knowledgable in matters aviation) findings, Continental Airlines.
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More from todays press.
Liverpool is estimating to nearly DOUBLE pax throughput within two years from now!
The airport is heading for approx 3.35million pax for the year 2004, this is an increase of over 5% on the 2003 stats.
For the year 2005 the projected figure is said to be 4.5million pax, an increase of over 34% on 2004.
The year 2006 is projected as being 6.3million pax, this will be an increase of 40% on 2005.
Liverpool is estimating to nearly DOUBLE pax throughput within two years from now!
The airport is heading for approx 3.35million pax for the year 2004, this is an increase of over 5% on the 2003 stats.
For the year 2005 the projected figure is said to be 4.5million pax, an increase of over 34% on 2004.
The year 2006 is projected as being 6.3million pax, this will be an increase of 40% on 2005.
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Direct Holidays 2005
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Here is Direct Holidays schedule for LPL in Summer 2005.
Tuesday: Palma - European Aircharter 737-200
Alicante - Monarch Airlines A321
Thursday:Faro - Astraeus 737-700
Lanzarote: Aer Europa 737-800
Friday: Tenerife - Monarch A320
Dalaman - Pegasus 737-800
Mahon - Futura 737-400
Saturday:Alicante - BMI A320
Las Palmas - Spanair A321
Palma Spanair A320
Sunday: Reus - BMI A320
Malaga - Thomsonfly 757
And dropped are:
Corfu and Bodrum on Monday
Reus on Wednesday
Palma on Saturday evening
Ibiza on Sunday evening.
Possibly a BMI LHR service if there are BMI flights?
Thanks
Michael
Here is Direct Holidays schedule for LPL in Summer 2005.
Tuesday: Palma - European Aircharter 737-200
Alicante - Monarch Airlines A321
Thursday:Faro - Astraeus 737-700
Lanzarote: Aer Europa 737-800
Friday: Tenerife - Monarch A320
Dalaman - Pegasus 737-800
Mahon - Futura 737-400
Saturday:Alicante - BMI A320
Las Palmas - Spanair A321
Palma Spanair A320
Sunday: Reus - BMI A320
Malaga - Thomsonfly 757
And dropped are:
Corfu and Bodrum on Monday
Reus on Wednesday
Palma on Saturday evening
Ibiza on Sunday evening.
Possibly a BMI LHR service if there are BMI flights?
Thanks
Michael
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Can't see bmi using an a/c on charter and scheduled services. A/c are usually utilised as one or the other wrt seating etc...
With bmi having all their Airbus fleet fully operational at the moment, can't see them starting a LPL flight (as much as I would like to see one). They are expecting 3 more 319s during 2005, but these may simply replace the same number of 321s due back to the lessor, hence no new colour scheme.
I would predict if a LPL service were to commence, it would be the worlds favourite. More a/c and slots available at LL.
With bmi having all their Airbus fleet fully operational at the moment, can't see them starting a LPL flight (as much as I would like to see one). They are expecting 3 more 319s during 2005, but these may simply replace the same number of 321s due back to the lessor, hence no new colour scheme.
I would predict if a LPL service were to commence, it would be the worlds favourite. More a/c and slots available at LL.
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bmi do use scheduled configuration a/c on charter services. We do in MAN for example BD594 ops LHR- MAN then a/c nightstops in the summer to operate MAN-AGP-BHX-AGP-MAN followed by MAN-PVK-MAN on a sunday. All charter flights from LHR are also operated by a scheduled config a/c.
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Any news/info on the BA/BMI rumour?? Even the idea has been shot down in flames on airliners.net...........
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/1898999/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/1898999/
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Well you could look at the response from one of the people on there : "BD withdrew from this route several years ago because there simply wasn't a market for it"
That in itself shows a complete lack of knowledge, considering the same thing was being said 12 months ago about the VLM: LPL - LCY service. Well VLM certainly proved all these apparent "experts" wrong!
Just wait and see what happens, I can't see BA operating it, but BMI possibly, if they can find the slots.
As we've seen with VLM, when Liverpool Airport and the Merseyside press get behind an idea, it usually materialises.
That in itself shows a complete lack of knowledge, considering the same thing was being said 12 months ago about the VLM: LPL - LCY service. Well VLM certainly proved all these apparent "experts" wrong!
Just wait and see what happens, I can't see BA operating it, but BMI possibly, if they can find the slots.
As we've seen with VLM, when Liverpool Airport and the Merseyside press get behind an idea, it usually materialises.
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Vuelo do you remember your post from last August.
"A friend of a friend who works for Liverpool City Council has reported that this announcement of the New York service...........................................Service said to be MON. WED, FRI and a 757 equipment used. No business class all economy config, start date 30/04/2004"
Two different views from you, I would sack your informer.
"A friend of a friend who works for Liverpool City Council has reported that this announcement of the New York service...........................................Service said to be MON. WED, FRI and a 757 equipment used. No business class all economy config, start date 30/04/2004"
Two different views from you, I would sack your informer.
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You have to rememeber that the City of Liverpool is a different beast now then when BD pulled out. Finally the city is on the up COC 2008 plus a new 1bn pound shopping centre amongst many other regeneration projects.
You cant compare before to now, the city is rising out of the ashes and thats why the big boys want to come play again!
You cant compare before to now, the city is rising out of the ashes and thats why the big boys want to come play again!