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Old 29th Nov 2004, 11:06
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New Delta UK routes?

...the airline confirms that it would like to introduce further ex-UK services for next year but is constrained by a lack of suitably equipped aircraft ex-domestic Boeing 767s those available earmarked for proposed South American services. If these routes were not to be approved an extension of the Gatwick and Manchester fights are the most likely scenario, but new UK gateways have not been ruled out.

Ok, so its a big if, but if more routes were offered, would BHX or GLA be more likely?
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The priorities have got to be Salt Lake City to LGW, followed by Cincinnatti to MAN, followed by Atlanta to BHX and GLA. That lot would provide annual utilisation for 6 aircraft.
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How big is the market for SLC to LGW? It is certainly one of the larger US cities not served by direct flights from the UK. Would it be aimed at the winter market, or year round?
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Delta have applied for JFK/MAN/JFK , starting 27th March 05.

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Delta have tried JFK/MAN before and pulled of the route.

It would be nice to see CVG and a west cost destination out of Manchester.

Wasn't there also talk at one time of a second daily totation ex MAN to ATL.
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yes there was. If you follow the thread on manchester happenings, there is a link to the company responsible for slot allocations. It says Delta applied for 2x daily slots to ATL for summer 2003, but unfortunately cancelled.

I agree that Manchester needs to see a West coast route!
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From purely a motivated self interest point of view: MAN-BOS-MAN would be nice. Don't really care who serves the route.
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coming back next summer i believe with American!! Should be upgraded to a 767??
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Would be nice to see BOS back and MIA run all year by AA, will BA let them though?
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The success of the summer services from Glasgow to Philadelphia and Chicago has certainly indicated that Atlanta would be a profitable route.
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Old 29th Nov 2004, 18:56
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LHR

Whats wrong with LHR ? have they ever tried for slots there ?
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Old 29th Nov 2004, 19:25
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Thumbs up

I think BHX would be a good idea, following CO's success. We need another american major at BHX all our new routes seem to be heading east rather than west.....
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GLA - ATL would be a good idea surely ........ the other three US carrier routes from Glasgow are to Chicago, Philadelphia and Newark ....... Nothing direct to the Southern states of the USA .........
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"Whats wrong with LHR ? have they ever tried for slots there ?"

Delta are not allowed LHR operations under the Bermuda2 ASA, in force until USA-EU open skies arrives......

don't hold your breath

Same for CO, NW, US. Only UA and AA allowed
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Delta are not allowed LHR operations under the Bermuda2 ASA, .....

Same for CO, NW, US. Only UA and AA allowed
Actually it's 2 airlines from each country allowed (so BA, VS, AA, UA). When agreement first done it was Pan Am and TWA of course from the US side, who sold their rights for considerable sums.

One of the key reasons the US agreed to Bermuda in the first place is that likely competition from the UK at the time was B.Cal and Laker, both wedded to Gatwick and not interested in LHR, so the US side thought they would be 2 to 1 there. Virgin moving in to LHR changed all that.

Interesting to speculate therefore if United really start to be liquidated which other US airline would pick things up. The rights have to be worth a considerable sum, which unfortunately US carriers do not seem to have at the moment.

However because of the geographical restrictions in the agreement, Delta could not serve Atlanta from Heathrow, nor Orlando or Fort Lauderdale (which must be other close contenders for them) even if they bought the United rights. They could do JFK, Cincinnati and Salt Lake from there, plus any they bought (both current carriers do JFK already of course).

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WHBM,

"Interesting to speculate therefore if United really start to be liquidated which other US airline would pick things up."

That's a good question.

They all seem to be losing money right now - CO are less unstable than most, although they've reported losses too recently IIRC. They have a stronghold at EWR (a much better airport IMHO, but not sure if all pax would agree with that), and have been building up an excellent network of regional routes. LHR would give them a dominant position on UK - New York, but I don't know if it would be worth the considerable investment for them. Can't see US or NWA making much use of the slots - maybe BMI could change themselves to USMI and go for them
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BHX-ATL

Birmingham must surely be in the running MAN, GLA etc are already well served to USA. BHX only has CO at the moment and the 2 daily services are generating 60-70% increase in BHX-US traffic.
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How about Bournemouth now there on a roll.

(They have got a flight from Las Vegas due in today)
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I have to agree with Daza
Any new route launched by a USA airline would probably do well.
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CO used a 764 into BHX today and from the continental website it looked quite full so BHX is obviously working for CO, about time they had some competition!

P.S. Wednesday isn't a day CO operate 2x daily
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