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Just seen on the news,the subject of welsh air links has cropped up again with the changing of welsh powers on transport,from the queens speech.Who would run this set up ? and what a/c type would they use?
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There's a report on this from the Welsh Assembly Government at http://www.wspu.co.uk/Issued%20Documents/Economic%20Development%20and%20Transport/Consultations/Intra-Wales%20Air%20Services.doc]this address[/URL] - it's a Word file so hopefully downloads OK.
Failing that, do a google search on "intra wales air service" and follow the first link.
The intention was not to identify a specific operator, rather to figure out what routings would be possible/desirable, on a PSO basis since it's not clear that the service would be commercially viable.
I believe the assumption was that a 19-seater aircraft would be used, but again, it's just an assumption.
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Failing that, do a google search on "intra wales air service" and follow the first link.
The intention was not to identify a specific operator, rather to figure out what routings would be possible/desirable, on a PSO basis since it's not clear that the service would be commercially viable.
I believe the assumption was that a 19-seater aircraft would be used, but again, it's just an assumption.
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Just who will use the services, how often will they use them, will they be cheap enough for people, normal people that is, to use them. Some of the totally head in the sand comments made on BBC Wales today are laughable.
Just who in Aberporth want to fly to another part of Wales? I know about the weapons range there but how many people want to fly often enough to warrant an air service. Its like all the other attempts to run trains, buses etc, nobody needs it. The stupid plans by some councils, far west, in Wales who said they wanted hourly fast electric trains to London, no electric trains in west Wales, are in the same vain as this stupid money wasting idea. There is no interest for the man in the street to do it. The roads are not brilliant in Wales, for geographical reason in some cases, but by the time you have driven to the airport, checked in, waited for the flight, taxied out, taken off, landed, taxied in, walked up and down lots of stairs at Cardiff airport, got your bag, got on the bus to town, you could have driven at a fraction of the cost and arrived before the plane. The average family could not afford the fares in Wales as most are on low wages and would use a car.
Yes a North, South flight may work, but for how many people and how often do those people want to fly who do. Cardiff to Caernarfon, classic, high density route, the Japanese could advise on the use of 747’s on it as they do back in Japan on commuter routes. Cardiff to Manchester may be.
Get real Assembly people, wake up, and switch on.
Just who in Aberporth want to fly to another part of Wales? I know about the weapons range there but how many people want to fly often enough to warrant an air service. Its like all the other attempts to run trains, buses etc, nobody needs it. The stupid plans by some councils, far west, in Wales who said they wanted hourly fast electric trains to London, no electric trains in west Wales, are in the same vain as this stupid money wasting idea. There is no interest for the man in the street to do it. The roads are not brilliant in Wales, for geographical reason in some cases, but by the time you have driven to the airport, checked in, waited for the flight, taxied out, taken off, landed, taxied in, walked up and down lots of stairs at Cardiff airport, got your bag, got on the bus to town, you could have driven at a fraction of the cost and arrived before the plane. The average family could not afford the fares in Wales as most are on low wages and would use a car.
Yes a North, South flight may work, but for how many people and how often do those people want to fly who do. Cardiff to Caernarfon, classic, high density route, the Japanese could advise on the use of 747’s on it as they do back in Japan on commuter routes. Cardiff to Manchester may be.
Get real Assembly people, wake up, and switch on.
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I think, having not read the documents, that it is supposed to be a way of getting Assembly members to the Assembly quicker and "cheaper" than paying out for cars, trains, hotels etc. Having set that as the base demand I guess they are thinking that others will want to use such a service if it exists. Stranger things have happened in the history of UK air transport....
I think, having not read the documents, that it is supposed to be a way of getting Assembly members to the Assembly quicker and "cheaper" than paying out for cars, trains, hotels etc. Having set that as the base demand I guess they are thinking that others will want to use such a service if it exists. Stranger things have happened in the history of UK air transport....
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I've seen to many attempts to run air services in Wales along with trains, boats and busses, they have all gone out of business or have been reduced to once a week, one way only, silly but true. The report states that there is little point in doing any of this and the return on investment is nil. Your right of course it will be for AM members only, to hell with the general public. They have never listen to or cared about them before, why start now.
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See the WA have proposed a twice daily Anglesey - Swansea/Cardiff for 2006. Does this mean that they will impose a PSO or just hope someone will be tempted by a Route Development Fund?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4075105.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4075105.stm
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Can't see any real demand for a service between Anglesey and Cardiff (and Swansea is a non starter as it is now back to being a GA field with limited facilities).
Even if it were to happen it would only appeal to a handful of Assembly Members and civil servants as Anglesey is in the far North West of Wales and folks are spread pretty thin in these parts.
On a more positive note the twice daily Air Wales service between Cardiff and Liverpool (which continues on to Aberdeen and has connections to/from Plymouth) is proving very popular with folks travelling between North East and South East Wales which are the two main centres of population.
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Even if it were to happen it would only appeal to a handful of Assembly Members and civil servants as Anglesey is in the far North West of Wales and folks are spread pretty thin in these parts.
On a more positive note the twice daily Air Wales service between Cardiff and Liverpool (which continues on to Aberdeen and has connections to/from Plymouth) is proving very popular with folks travelling between North East and South East Wales which are the two main centres of population.
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What a good idea, Cardiff to Valley!
Just think - to save me driving to Holyhead to catch the Dublin ferry, I can save time by flying to Valley, and then catching the ferry to Dublin.
Alternatively, I could use the excellent Air Wales service direct Cardiff-Dublin.....
This is an AM express and nothing else. The last time this idea surfaced, it was based on the notion that Air Wales would use the D228 to operate it. Pity that AW took the Dornier out of service yonks ago, and have just flogged -XT to Iceland then....
Complete, unmitigated waste of public funds.
Just think - to save me driving to Holyhead to catch the Dublin ferry, I can save time by flying to Valley, and then catching the ferry to Dublin.
Alternatively, I could use the excellent Air Wales service direct Cardiff-Dublin.....
This is an AM express and nothing else. The last time this idea surfaced, it was based on the notion that Air Wales would use the D228 to operate it. Pity that AW took the Dornier out of service yonks ago, and have just flogged -XT to Iceland then....
Complete, unmitigated waste of public funds.
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As much as it grieves me to agree with a certain poster above , he is absolutely correct regarding the Liverpool Cardiff route. Any other service around Wales simply is a non starter and is yet another example of the waste of time and space that the Welsh Assemby government is.
Now if it was a combi allowing farmers to move their sheep around from market to market, that would be different!
My plans for this are a little wooly at them moment, but I'm sure the baa would show an interest, but it'll need someone to ram the idea home. The in-flite reading would obviously be The Shepherd.
ok I'll sheepishly wander off the thread now.................
My plans for this are a little wooly at them moment, but I'm sure the baa would show an interest, but it'll need someone to ram the idea home. The in-flite reading would obviously be The Shepherd.
ok I'll sheepishly wander off the thread now.................
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Eventually, yes you did.... took a long time to find a buyer tho!!
Joking aside - is the WAG serious about SWS?? They did a bloody marvellous job of ignoring SWS when RT and AW were doing their level best to make a go of it.....
Typically politicians - years behind the event...
If I were RT and AW, I'd put in a grant application to buy an A380 for this route - claim that you are supporting the boys and girls at Hawarden, pushing Wales to the fore etc etc - bet they would go all foamy at the chops and write out a cheque (payable to "Airbus Industrie", please, numpties) for $300M.... would look good in AW colours. G-WLAD perhaps? or G-YMRU? G-TAFF?
Ah no - G-GGOH, or G-YYYD (think Dirty Tom....)
Joking aside - is the WAG serious about SWS?? They did a bloody marvellous job of ignoring SWS when RT and AW were doing their level best to make a go of it.....
Typically politicians - years behind the event...
If I were RT and AW, I'd put in a grant application to buy an A380 for this route - claim that you are supporting the boys and girls at Hawarden, pushing Wales to the fore etc etc - bet they would go all foamy at the chops and write out a cheque (payable to "Airbus Industrie", please, numpties) for $300M.... would look good in AW colours. G-WLAD perhaps? or G-YMRU? G-TAFF?
Ah no - G-GGOH, or G-YYYD (think Dirty Tom....)
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what a load of old rubbish - sheep cant read let alone fly.
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No. Your grammar is shot as well.
As for a proper job, you really ought to do your research, you know... people on here who know who am I will find your post very amusing!
As for a proper job, you really ought to do your research, you know... people on here who know who am I will find your post very amusing!
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that's good - my whole reason for posting is generally to raise a laugh - people who now me no that. the crap spelling is all part of the act. life's too short to be two serrious.
p.s. sorry if i've insulted you if you turm out to be more important than me!
p.s. sorry if i've insulted you if you turm out to be more important than me!