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Here we go again!
Why is it so important to have slanging matches? Tell me, I would love to understand it. 'Cos I don't. A dig here and a dig there what is the problem? Want brownie points? Is that it?
Now come on guys this has just got to stop. One thread after another. I am not singling out any one person - but I could. So....cool it and behave like you are interested people who have opinions that matters. Right now much of them don't.
Sensible informed discussion is what is wanted.
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Why is it so important to have slanging matches? Tell me, I would love to understand it. 'Cos I don't. A dig here and a dig there what is the problem? Want brownie points? Is that it?
Now come on guys this has just got to stop. One thread after another. I am not singling out any one person - but I could. So....cool it and behave like you are interested people who have opinions that matters. Right now much of them don't.
Sensible informed discussion is what is wanted.
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No offense taken or intended, PPP....
Just get a bit bored seeing endless jokes about the Welsh and aviation in Wales, when myself and so many of my friends make it all happen and rely on it for a living....
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Just get a bit bored seeing endless jokes about the Welsh and aviation in Wales, when myself and so many of my friends make it all happen and rely on it for a living....
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Shame really, an important and legitimate regional aviation issue..if the best you can do is sheep, grammar, spelling and personal attacks..we'll give it 24 hours...see if you can turn it around.
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In response then to Hawk's challenge....
Anywhere care to speculate who will pick up this particular poison chalice - and what they will use to operate it?
TA
Anywhere care to speculate who will pick up this particular poison chalice - and what they will use to operate it?
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I'm curious as to the frequency of service that will be required. Will the Welsh Assembly members need to travel on a daily basis, and if they do will the timings be useful to non Assembly members? Just thinking of the odd hours that the House of Westminster operates to, does Cardiff do the same?
It could be quite restriictive on growth if it isn't Air Wales that picks it up, as the aircraft will be left with the 'hard to fill' off peak scheds between its Assembly services.
It could be quite restriictive on growth if it isn't Air Wales that picks it up, as the aircraft will be left with the 'hard to fill' off peak scheds between its Assembly services.
The whole idea of this is politically-inspired b*ll*cks.
First, nothing that's subsidised ever works (too many examples to quantify.
Second, it's a waste of taxpayer's money. It's all too easy for the Welsh Assembly to spend money - it's not raised by them, so their pet schemes will end up costing the taxpayer in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland too.
Third, the whole idea's a non-starter. Those who live in South Wales look towards the English Westcountry or Midlands. Those who live in the north look towards the northwest conurbations of England. The only people who see the extemities of Wales as a unity are the politicos (Welsh Nationalists) and the bureaucrats. Everyone else has noticed the terrain in the centre.
If a service were ever run, my guess is that the subsidised seats would be taken by people working in the public sector, spending even more taxpayer's money.
Just remember - the public sector/government NEVER knows best how to spend your money.
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First, nothing that's subsidised ever works (too many examples to quantify.
Second, it's a waste of taxpayer's money. It's all too easy for the Welsh Assembly to spend money - it's not raised by them, so their pet schemes will end up costing the taxpayer in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland too.
Third, the whole idea's a non-starter. Those who live in South Wales look towards the English Westcountry or Midlands. Those who live in the north look towards the northwest conurbations of England. The only people who see the extemities of Wales as a unity are the politicos (Welsh Nationalists) and the bureaucrats. Everyone else has noticed the terrain in the centre.
If a service were ever run, my guess is that the subsidised seats would be taken by people working in the public sector, spending even more taxpayer's money.
Just remember - the public sector/government NEVER knows best how to spend your money.
Rant over. Normal service will be reumed shortly.
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First, nothing that's subsidised ever works (too many examples to quantify
Let me bore you for a while.
I used to work for a guy who maintained that "free of charge was free of value" - viz, if you were producing something that people didn't want to pay for - or at least at the level you needed to make it worth your while - you should pack up and go home.
So it is, I suspect, with this airlink.
Let us assume that there was a pressing need to run services between Valley and Cardiff. Adam Smith tells us that if there is a need, the market will satisfy it. No-one has yet. Without great lumps of public money, my guess is that no-one will either. If there IS a pressing need for it, then the people who are pressing should pay market rate - out of their pockets, please, not mine.
Would it not be better to spend the money on public projects where there is a proven need - a better road to Cardiff Airport springs to mind - rather than trying to generate need when clearly none exists?
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Couldn't agree more TA. Road access to CWL from the M4 (in particular) is abysmal. I have to visit CWl on quite a few occassions and I am always amazed at how difficult it is to get to the main airport for Wales. If they really want to make a dramatic difference to aviation in Wales then improving access to CWL would be an easy winner.
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I'd read what is proposed before you say that, Rabbs. All they have announced is some "enhancements" to the A48 from Culverhouse to Bonvilston (my guess is changing the 30 limit through St Nicholas to a 40 limit), and an "improvement" to the junction with Five Mile Lane and "strategic widening" of the lane itself.
The road to the airport - ie, a proper highway to the M4 - is still a distant dream....
Pay attention, Rabbs!
Found the quote now:
"A stretch of the A48 and A4226, known as Five Mile Lane, which runs between Culverhouse Cross and the airport, will be improved to take traffic away from the the A4321 through the village of Wenvoe.
A new link from the M4 will also be investigated with a view to diverting traffic away from the busy Culverhouse Cross interchange. "
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The road to the airport - ie, a proper highway to the M4 - is still a distant dream....
Pay attention, Rabbs!
Found the quote now:
"A stretch of the A48 and A4226, known as Five Mile Lane, which runs between Culverhouse Cross and the airport, will be improved to take traffic away from the the A4321 through the village of Wenvoe.
A new link from the M4 will also be investigated with a view to diverting traffic away from the busy Culverhouse Cross interchange. "
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thought you'd say that.....
.....what has already been announced will reduce the number of roundabouts between the M4 and the airport from 14 to 4!... count 'em!.....and if you're going to the numpties bit on the south side there are 3 more!!!
It might not be a 6 lane highway but it is most welcome to those of us that drive the route almost daily.
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.....what has already been announced will reduce the number of roundabouts between the M4 and the airport from 14 to 4!... count 'em!.....and if you're going to the numpties bit on the south side there are 3 more!!!
It might not be a 6 lane highway but it is most welcome to those of us that drive the route almost daily.
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Think the news is great!I too travel to the airport frequently and having the "5-mile lane"improved is very welcome.I have also read that this airport link improvement will be done in stage`s.I guess the next stage would be to join 5.m.l to m4 j34.This would bypass the sticking point at Culverhouse.But as stated before,some years off.Do you think they will run the 5.m.l towards the airport rather than petrol station at Barry,there is a part when you can see cwl close up then you drop back towards Barry ?
Must have turned round at one of those roundabouts.
Sometimes it is hard to make comment without giving away who you are but I can tell you that in past discussions the WDA didn't want to know about any flying to anywhere in Wales and proved generally useless in all respects regarding flying to everywhere else. Now they are prepared to spend money on this.
Echo the thoughts of all its just a politicians express - better ways to spend a million guys.
Please Sir, can someone try Cardiff to Newquay, I know both ends pretty well and that could work?
PS Who bought the Dornier - surely it didn't go back to Islandsfug (or whatever they are called these days)?
Sometimes it is hard to make comment without giving away who you are but I can tell you that in past discussions the WDA didn't want to know about any flying to anywhere in Wales and proved generally useless in all respects regarding flying to everywhere else. Now they are prepared to spend money on this.
Echo the thoughts of all its just a politicians express - better ways to spend a million guys.
Please Sir, can someone try Cardiff to Newquay, I know both ends pretty well and that could work?
PS Who bought the Dornier - surely it didn't go back to Islandsfug (or whatever they are called these days)?
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The Do228 has gone to a new airline called Landsflug as TF-ADC.
I think 5ML is going to stay on the route it currently is. Unfortunately.
I think 5ML is going to stay on the route it currently is. Unfortunately.
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Believe me, it was an effort!!
Amazing place, the Assembly.... right now on Radio 2 they are discussing whether Wales should have a national airline - based on the ramblings of some crackpot AM.
Do we pay this oaf? Or more to the point, do we pay for his researcher? Surely even the slowest, most incompetent researcher has either heard of Air Wales, or has the wit to type "Wales airline" into google....
I love paying tax. Not.
We'll have to keep the Assembly I suppose. Marginally cheaper than care in the community...
Amazing place, the Assembly.... right now on Radio 2 they are discussing whether Wales should have a national airline - based on the ramblings of some crackpot AM.
Do we pay this oaf? Or more to the point, do we pay for his researcher? Surely even the slowest, most incompetent researcher has either heard of Air Wales, or has the wit to type "Wales airline" into google....
I love paying tax. Not.
We'll have to keep the Assembly I suppose. Marginally cheaper than care in the community...
