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Allan
Lets be clear...in this post you quite simply stated
You then go on to suggest that Jumpseater is guilty of mentioning groundstaff and lack of responsibility in the same breath. I hear the pot calling........
I see NO argument nor reasoned discussion of your point. I look forward to you backing your position up with some measured responses. As to opinions, I would prefer you to use OBJECTIVE rather than SUBJECTIVE arguments if you wish to convert the remainder of us to your one sided view of the air transport system as it exists within Northern Ireland.
I am always keen to learn .However when it comes to matters aviation I suggest to you that as I have THIRTY YEARS experience in the aviation field(TWENTY EIGHT of those in ATC) I am not going to learn much from yourself.
(unless I needed the registration of the first Spacegrand arrival into Sydenham I suppose)
Lets be clear...in this post you quite simply stated
"Easyjet" and "professional" mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away
I see NO argument nor reasoned discussion of your point. I look forward to you backing your position up with some measured responses. As to opinions, I would prefer you to use OBJECTIVE rather than SUBJECTIVE arguments if you wish to convert the remainder of us to your one sided view of the air transport system as it exists within Northern Ireland.
I am always keen to learn .However when it comes to matters aviation I suggest to you that as I have THIRTY YEARS experience in the aviation field(TWENTY EIGHT of those in ATC) I am not going to learn much from yourself.
by the same token I have undertaken extensive research in airline and airport operations
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Oh dear oh dear - it's a pity there are some who can only get their point across by resorting to name calling
I'd just like to quote you here from your first posting on this thread.
"Easyjet" and "professional" mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
Please re-read your statement above this one and inwardly digest!
I didn't insinuate that groundstaff were less than professional, any I have worked with who weren't, aren't groundstaff any longer. The point was that I thought you may have been groundstaff. As you now admit you're not, it does now put some of your inane previous comments into context. In retrospect maybe I should have said ''aviation enthusiast'' and ''knowledgeable'' mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
There are many thousands of groundstaff who work well and hard in very difficult conditions, and they have my full respect. What I did state in response to Mr eastern was that you 'could be employed as such, though probably not in a 'responsible' capacity'. This opinion is based upon your continual negative and purile comments regarding not only easyJet but other carriers and airports. My opinion of you is based soley on what you write here.
Like eastern, I am always keen to learn. You have to be able to change an adapt in aviation. However when it comes to matters aviation I suggest to you that as I have Twenty Three Years experience in the aviation field(Fifteen of those in ATC/Airfield Operations and Airline Operations), I too am not going to learn much from yourself. Again this opinion is formed soley by reading your postings.
'by the same token I have undertaken extensive research in airline and airport operations'
Well if you have done, you're obviously keeping it to yourself, as there's little evidence of it in your postings. Or if your postings are based on your extensive research, perhaps it's indicative of the quality of that same research.
Oh dear oh dear - it's a pity there are some who can only get their point across by resorting to name calling
I'd just like to quote you here from your first posting on this thread.
"Easyjet" and "professional" mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
Please re-read your statement above this one and inwardly digest!
I didn't insinuate that groundstaff were less than professional, any I have worked with who weren't, aren't groundstaff any longer. The point was that I thought you may have been groundstaff. As you now admit you're not, it does now put some of your inane previous comments into context. In retrospect maybe I should have said ''aviation enthusiast'' and ''knowledgeable'' mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
There are many thousands of groundstaff who work well and hard in very difficult conditions, and they have my full respect. What I did state in response to Mr eastern was that you 'could be employed as such, though probably not in a 'responsible' capacity'. This opinion is based upon your continual negative and purile comments regarding not only easyJet but other carriers and airports. My opinion of you is based soley on what you write here.
Like eastern, I am always keen to learn. You have to be able to change an adapt in aviation. However when it comes to matters aviation I suggest to you that as I have Twenty Three Years experience in the aviation field(Fifteen of those in ATC/Airfield Operations and Airline Operations), I too am not going to learn much from yourself. Again this opinion is formed soley by reading your postings.
'by the same token I have undertaken extensive research in airline and airport operations'
Well if you have done, you're obviously keeping it to yourself, as there's little evidence of it in your postings. Or if your postings are based on your extensive research, perhaps it's indicative of the quality of that same research.
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" Just to satisfy your curiosity, I am not employed in the aviation industry in any capacity - however, by the same token I have undertaken extensive research in airline and airport operations over the years and I feel that I am, at least, entitled to offer my opinion." So said ALLMCC
What is your qualification for saying that easyJet is anything other than proffesional? Can we see your extensive research please? Throwing cheap and insulting jibes with no justification is the most base form of abuse on this meadium. But then we should expect nothing else from someone who has no real right to be posting on the Proffesional Pilots Rumour Network anyway. Find some where else to throw your cheap posts.
What is your qualification for saying that easyJet is anything other than proffesional? Can we see your extensive research please? Throwing cheap and insulting jibes with no justification is the most base form of abuse on this meadium. But then we should expect nothing else from someone who has no real right to be posting on the Proffesional Pilots Rumour Network anyway. Find some where else to throw your cheap posts.
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Hooray, here endeth the lesson from the Easyjet fan club, free membership but only if you promise to be a good boy and not complain!
BTW, Eastern & Jumpseater, your responses, word for word, are almost identical - any chance you're one and the same?
BTW, Eastern & Jumpseater, your responses, word for word, are almost identical - any chance you're one and the same?
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Alan ...once again you accuse me of having more than one identity on this board. I do not. I have never met Jumpseater,although s/he seems to agree with me.
I can only re-iterate that I am as I said I am . THIRTY years in aviation and TWENTY EIGHT of those in Air Traffic Control. There are NUMEROUS folks here who will testify to that..enter Tower Ranger !
Regards
E W ...aka Bear !!
I can only re-iterate that I am as I said I am . THIRTY years in aviation and TWENTY EIGHT of those in Air Traffic Control. There are NUMEROUS folks here who will testify to that..enter Tower Ranger !
Regards
E W ...aka Bear !!
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I do not know eastern.
If you haven't worked out that I clicked and pasted eastern's CV and ammended it with details of my own........
Like eastern I am known to some other prune members, perhaps with a bit of proper research from yourself, you could work out that he/she and I are not the same person. The informations all here, just requires you to do some research....
Whilst this thread is about easyJet, and their website, (which you seem to have spectacularly missed), I would have taken issue with you had you made the same banal comment about other airlines/airports/issues that I have a detailed knowledge of.
I still want you to explain to me why I'm unprofessional. I imagine we'll be a while......
If you haven't worked out that I clicked and pasted eastern's CV and ammended it with details of my own........
Like eastern I am known to some other prune members, perhaps with a bit of proper research from yourself, you could work out that he/she and I are not the same person. The informations all here, just requires you to do some research....
Whilst this thread is about easyJet, and their website, (which you seem to have spectacularly missed), I would have taken issue with you had you made the same banal comment about other airlines/airports/issues that I have a detailed knowledge of.
I still want you to explain to me why I'm unprofessional. I imagine we'll be a while......
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Jumpseater, just to to correct you on a couple of points - any criticisms I have made have been directed towards one airline only and one airport only not in the plural, as you have stated.
In addition, at no time did I insinuate that you, personally, were unprofessional - I do not know who you are employed by but your steadfast defence of the airline in question would suggest that you are, perhaps, located in an airport which relies heavily on the support of same.
Eastern's sardonic and sarcastic wit is well documented on these forums which is one reason why I am reluctant to respond to his wayward accusations and allegations - I will deliberate carefully in the future before doing so.
rubik101, if you refer to the rules, you will note that you do not have to be a pilot to participate in these forums - anyone (including you and me) can have an objective view as to whether they consider an organisation to be professional or not - that's what is called a democratic society embodying free speech.
In addition, at no time did I insinuate that you, personally, were unprofessional - I do not know who you are employed by but your steadfast defence of the airline in question would suggest that you are, perhaps, located in an airport which relies heavily on the support of same.
Eastern's sardonic and sarcastic wit is well documented on these forums which is one reason why I am reluctant to respond to his wayward accusations and allegations - I will deliberate carefully in the future before doing so.
rubik101, if you refer to the rules, you will note that you do not have to be a pilot to participate in these forums - anyone (including you and me) can have an objective view as to whether they consider an organisation to be professional or not - that's what is called a democratic society embodying free speech.
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Just to correct you, All My Contributions are Crap
Just to correct you
In addition, at no time did I insinuate that you, personally, were unprofessional
Yes you did with your first post on this thread, I'll quote it for you, as you seem to be having a memory retention problem.
"Easyjet" and "professional" mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
'any criticisms I have made have been directed towards one airline only and one airport only not in the plural, as you have stated.'
Just to correct you, Re Ryanair 'Is this a "Mickey Mouse" offer from a "Mickey Mouse" outfit?'
There are of course plenty of others.
I also found this previous exchange between you and I, from me to you, you never did answer this..
So, erm cynical? All I asked you to do was explain your post, i.e. the second para above, I note you have'nt bothered, now I wonder why that could be? I have no particular interest in discussing BHD in this thread, as its about easy 319's and their use on family days, so back to you, to explain why the use of an aircraft to allow employees and their families, to see a new type is such a ridiculous idea.
There was also this gem....
'I know I promised I would no longer post on these forums',
I wonder, would you be kind enough to reconsider?
In addition, at no time did I insinuate that you, personally, were unprofessional
Yes you did with your first post on this thread, I'll quote it for you, as you seem to be having a memory retention problem.
"Easyjet" and "professional" mentioned in the same breath! - steady on guys - don't get carried away!
'any criticisms I have made have been directed towards one airline only and one airport only not in the plural, as you have stated.'
Just to correct you, Re Ryanair 'Is this a "Mickey Mouse" offer from a "Mickey Mouse" outfit?'
There are of course plenty of others.
I also found this previous exchange between you and I, from me to you, you never did answer this..
So, erm cynical? All I asked you to do was explain your post, i.e. the second para above, I note you have'nt bothered, now I wonder why that could be? I have no particular interest in discussing BHD in this thread, as its about easy 319's and their use on family days, so back to you, to explain why the use of an aircraft to allow employees and their families, to see a new type is such a ridiculous idea.
There was also this gem....
'I know I promised I would no longer post on these forums',
I wonder, would you be kind enough to reconsider?
