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Green eyed or not, 7006 does have a point. Peel did say at the planning enquiry that no public funds would be required for DSA. Then, immediately the planning permission came through, they applied for tens of millions from Europe, with the support of the Development Agency. (who have also offered many millions more for an aviation training facility).
The question you have to ask yourself, is how to justify all this taxpayers' cash going into private shareholders' pockets? LBA and HUY have never received anything like this level of support from the Yorkshire and Humberside Development crew, despite being profitable enterprises making a contribution TO the taxpayer.
The question you have to ask yourself, is how to justify all this taxpayers' cash going into private shareholders' pockets? LBA and HUY have never received anything like this level of support from the Yorkshire and Humberside Development crew, despite being profitable enterprises making a contribution TO the taxpayer.
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Thank you 'isa kite'
What concerns me is that the euro-millions will be used to subsidise lo-cost operations to Toremolinos or where-ever. Of course the airline is not receiving this money directly a-la the Ryan Charleoi case but is hidden within the mechanisms. Question...
If Objective 1 was not available and the airport had to be created out of private capital would it happen?
Also notice the southern motorway link proposal for euromillions is now becoming a Rossington Regeneration project rather than a requirement for the Airport. (Objective 1 requirements areas of deprivation) My hats off to Peel but just remember Donnygate!!!!
Sorry all my life I have had to survive and get where I am without state support my parents served through WW2, afterwards scrimped and saved all their lives to try and better themselves (and they were Labour through and through -but not 'left wing', although I did begin persuading Mum towards LD!) and it just p**ses me off when I read such BS.
So DSA will produce 7000 jobs with 2.3 million pax. Current predicitions are 600 odd staff to support 1.3m pax therefore the next 1m pax will require the other 6,400 staff
We all know the usual Airport formula 1 staff per 1,000 pax.
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What concerns me is that the euro-millions will be used to subsidise lo-cost operations to Toremolinos or where-ever. Of course the airline is not receiving this money directly a-la the Ryan Charleoi case but is hidden within the mechanisms. Question...
If Objective 1 was not available and the airport had to be created out of private capital would it happen?
Also notice the southern motorway link proposal for euromillions is now becoming a Rossington Regeneration project rather than a requirement for the Airport. (Objective 1 requirements areas of deprivation) My hats off to Peel but just remember Donnygate!!!!
Sorry all my life I have had to survive and get where I am without state support my parents served through WW2, afterwards scrimped and saved all their lives to try and better themselves (and they were Labour through and through -but not 'left wing', although I did begin persuading Mum towards LD!) and it just p**ses me off when I read such BS.
So DSA will produce 7000 jobs with 2.3 million pax. Current predicitions are 600 odd staff to support 1.3m pax therefore the next 1m pax will require the other 6,400 staff
We all know the usual Airport formula 1 staff per 1,000 pax.
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Why you have to whine on like some old dinosaur is beyond me. If you really want to delve into the misuse of european funding have a look at subsidies to farmers first!
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Ermmm holidaymax, just a little flaw in your comparison I think. ALL farmers get European subsidies, whereas all airports don't !
At this rate they'll be re-opening Elvington !!
Best of luck to all concerned. At least it's an airport that appears to be catering for its customers needs ( Both pax wise and to the Airline operators) in stark contrast to the past five years at a well known airfield just west of Glossop!!
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Can confirm the presence of a Thomson 737 in the circuit yesterday tea-time. Good to see things moving forward.
Edited to add: It was also reported yesterday that Thomson have announced some transatlantic routes departing ex-DSA as from next season. So hopefully we'll see the 737 alongside its larger brethren. (Source: BBC )
Edited to add: It was also reported yesterday that Thomson have announced some transatlantic routes departing ex-DSA as from next season. So hopefully we'll see the 737 alongside its larger brethren. (Source: BBC )
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local TV piece yesterday had a Peel spokesman quite confidently predicting that there would be more long-haul from DSA. Of the Thomsonfly routes he said "this is just the start of long-haul, it's the charter element of long-haul, there'll be more to come"
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Driving along the M18 near Doncaster on Thursday I was very pleased to see the 737 climbing away from Finningley. As an RAF man who was based there for a while many years ago it will always be RAF Finningley to me and although a 737 is not quite the same as the mighly Vulcan its good to see the old base coming back to life.
Ahhhh... the mighty Vulcan. Grew up listening to the sound of them roaring off on another taceval at 2am in the morning, knowing my old man was firmly ensconced down the back of one of them. Anyway, I digress...
To answer the earlier question: it was painted in the Thomsonfly colours. I was talking to someone on the inside about it today and it was a CVT 'frame and, once finished in the circuit, duly departed south to return there (presumably to rejoin the airways at TNT or similar). Not sure when the based aircraft will be arriving permanently though.
To answer the earlier question: it was painted in the Thomsonfly colours. I was talking to someone on the inside about it today and it was a CVT 'frame and, once finished in the circuit, duly departed south to return there (presumably to rejoin the airways at TNT or similar). Not sure when the based aircraft will be arriving permanently though.
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"I was talking to someone on the inside about it today and it was a CVT 'frame and, once finished in the circuit, duly departed south to return there (presumably to rejoin the airways at TNT or similar). Not sure when the based aircraft will be arriving permanently though."
Does anyone happen to know if a/c will join airways at TNT??? I was under the assumption that they would not join at TNT,more like Upton or POL.
Does anyone happen to know if a/c will join airways at TNT??? I was under the assumption that they would not join at TNT,more like Upton or POL.
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ISAKITE - Humberside recieved as much, if not more help from the then Humberside County council Development bods, when they were extending the runway and improving the facilities.
Thanks to the experts within the council, Humberside got £9.2 million of EEC money, and thanks to the initiative of the then M.D (who is now at Thompson) they were never charged a penny for the extensive work put in by the the staff in the local authority in various departments ranging from planning to engineering.
This left Humberside with a relatively small bill of around £7 million for a brand new runway, new lighting and a range of other new state of the art facilities.
And guess what, when Man PLC came along and bought the place, they didn't shoulder the responsibility for this, the rate payers of Humberside did.
I know that similar things happened at Leeds before it became as successful as it is.
I don't begrudge either organisations management for being clever enough to manipulate a commercial opportunity, the best of luck to them both, but please get your facts right before slagging off Peel, who, unlike Leeds or Humberside, have made a huge investment using their own private cash before going to Development Organisations for futher assistance.
Thanks to the experts within the council, Humberside got £9.2 million of EEC money, and thanks to the initiative of the then M.D (who is now at Thompson) they were never charged a penny for the extensive work put in by the the staff in the local authority in various departments ranging from planning to engineering.
This left Humberside with a relatively small bill of around £7 million for a brand new runway, new lighting and a range of other new state of the art facilities.
And guess what, when Man PLC came along and bought the place, they didn't shoulder the responsibility for this, the rate payers of Humberside did.
I know that similar things happened at Leeds before it became as successful as it is.
I don't begrudge either organisations management for being clever enough to manipulate a commercial opportunity, the best of luck to them both, but please get your facts right before slagging off Peel, who, unlike Leeds or Humberside, have made a huge investment using their own private cash before going to Development Organisations for futher assistance.
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NikNak, £9.2m comes nowhere near £30+m even at 10% compound pa!!!
My gripe is not that DSA are getting Euro-millions, the funds are available to all EU countries to bid for, but the money should be used for infrastructure projects NOT cross-subsidising to offer lo-cost flights. If DSA had no lo-co I would have no beef (And this is B all to do with HUY not having any) personally I couldn't give a flying f**k for lo-co, they damage the environment, create mayhem with pax and their pax create mayhem, plus the lo-co's p*ss off the sheduled, not for financial reasons. ERGO Scheduled service paying full or near full landing fee has to queue behind EZEAIR who pay next to f**k all.!!
Again I ask the question which everyone seems reluctant to answer (bit like TB and the 45minute thing!!!) Would Peel have taken on DSA were euromillions not available? Terry, Lakeside etc any comment?
Maybe UKIP or whatever they are called now, should ask the question?
My gripe is not that DSA are getting Euro-millions, the funds are available to all EU countries to bid for, but the money should be used for infrastructure projects NOT cross-subsidising to offer lo-cost flights. If DSA had no lo-co I would have no beef (And this is B all to do with HUY not having any) personally I couldn't give a flying f**k for lo-co, they damage the environment, create mayhem with pax and their pax create mayhem, plus the lo-co's p*ss off the sheduled, not for financial reasons. ERGO Scheduled service paying full or near full landing fee has to queue behind EZEAIR who pay next to f**k all.!!
Again I ask the question which everyone seems reluctant to answer (bit like TB and the 45minute thing!!!) Would Peel have taken on DSA were euromillions not available? Terry, Lakeside etc any comment?
Maybe UKIP or whatever they are called now, should ask the question?
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Apologies. I was not aware of the scale of Euro funding, which as you say, was considerable.
However, the point remains. When Peel put in their cash, and spend taxpayer's money, the ultimate beneficiaries are the shareholders. That's what business is for - to make money for the owners. In the case of HUY and LBA, those shareholders ARE the taxpayers, who thus get their money back. In the case of Peel, there is no equivalent pay back.
However, the point remains. When Peel put in their cash, and spend taxpayer's money, the ultimate beneficiaries are the shareholders. That's what business is for - to make money for the owners. In the case of HUY and LBA, those shareholders ARE the taxpayers, who thus get their money back. In the case of Peel, there is no equivalent pay back.
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HUY is owned by the Manchester Airport Group and so the taxpayers are not the shareholders. LBA is the only one out of the three that is owned by the local councils.
7006 fan, how do you know the money is subsidising lo-co's, you don't! There are as always strings attached to the grants and they can clearly be seen at DSA with the numerous projects that have been set up.
As for your statement that lo-co's damage the environment, if you hadn't noticed so do other planes like your "darling" scheduled flights. As for landing fees, airports can charge what they like to anyone..........its called an incentive.
Peel would have bought the land anyway as the infrastructure on site has saved them millions, eurogrants just make it sweeter.
BTW get your facts right on the funding, Peel applied for 16M of Objective 1 funding.
7006 fan, how do you know the money is subsidising lo-co's, you don't! There are as always strings attached to the grants and they can clearly be seen at DSA with the numerous projects that have been set up.
As for your statement that lo-co's damage the environment, if you hadn't noticed so do other planes like your "darling" scheduled flights. As for landing fees, airports can charge what they like to anyone..........its called an incentive.
Peel would have bought the land anyway as the infrastructure on site has saved them millions, eurogrants just make it sweeter.
BTW get your facts right on the funding, Peel applied for 16M of Objective 1 funding.
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doncaster finningley etc
7006 fan I'm not even going to try to answer all your points,because I honestly dont think you will ever be convinced. Your mind is obviouisly set in stone. One thing I can tel;l you for definite,is that the link road from the M18,was being campagned fot before the RAF left Finningley. Certainly beforte Peel bought the airport. In fact when the M18 was being built,this link was planmned,and provision made for it. The only thing that stopped it at the time was a withdrawal of government funding.
Just a point regarding govt or EU funding. Are you suggesting that Peel should not have applied for any available funding. Dont forget thgat the people of Huimberside (as it was) will be in the catchment for work,and ALL the area will benefit from any prosperity the airport brings. I say7 again,"good luck to HUY),but please stop your carping. Just do proper research.
Just a point regarding govt or EU funding. Are you suggesting that Peel should not have applied for any available funding. Dont forget thgat the people of Huimberside (as it was) will be in the catchment for work,and ALL the area will benefit from any prosperity the airport brings. I say7 again,"good luck to HUY),but please stop your carping. Just do proper research.
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MAG is wholly owned by the councils in the Manchester area, who represent their local populations - profits go to offset the council tax.
Humberside is mostly ownd by MAG, the balance belonging to the local council in Lincolnshire.
LBA is still owned by the two councils, hence it's name, although there has been talk in the past of selling at least part of the shareholding.
Terry
Of cours Peel should go for it. Any company offered tens of millions of support for their business would be daft not to! It's the principle that rankles - how many other companies would love similar support?
MAG is wholly owned by the councils in the Manchester area, who represent their local populations - profits go to offset the council tax.
Humberside is mostly ownd by MAG, the balance belonging to the local council in Lincolnshire.
LBA is still owned by the two councils, hence it's name, although there has been talk in the past of selling at least part of the shareholding.
Terry
Of cours Peel should go for it. Any company offered tens of millions of support for their business would be daft not to! It's the principle that rankles - how many other companies would love similar support?