LEEDS

[INKJET]

ILS

It only needs lowering to about 3.2% the lighting upgrade will not effect the LDA as most of the upgrading is in the undershoot area, but its still a big job and could cost £1/2 million,so it has to be justified.

Cheers

Burt

[ILS 119.5]

If it costs 1/2M then it will take a while. There have been many operational projects at LBA which have not got off the ground due cost. The number of flights lost due to 14 being Cat 1 is minimal and in my view an upgrade would not be cost effective. Unless there is pressure from the airlines it will not happen. As said earlier the airlines run the airport and not the management.

[INKJET]

ILS

You are probably right in terms of the number of flights that are lost,but if you operate an airfield that often has marginal conditions you are better off having the right equipment. A number of airlines that are CAT2 are using the 32 end when the wind favours 14, this reduces safety margins and for some payload too.

It also slows up the flow rate when you are launching aircraft off 14 and landing them on 32.

Cheers

Burt

[ILS 119.5]

My point is that the management would be happy to lose a few flights rather than spend 1/2M on upgrading the glidepath. Unless however they were put under pressure from the owning councils and demands from the general public.
Secondly if you were operationg in Cat 2 conditions the flow rate would be severely affected anyway as LBA does not have Ground Movement Radar

[The Desert Ferret]

ILS Appraisal

Forgive my bog-standard economics.

If we assume the ILS works cost £1.5m capital then appraise it over 30 years (discounted as per Treasury rules) then the ILS would break even if it generates £70,000 net revenue per year.

I'm not familiar with the direct revenue impacts of diversions nor do I have a feel for the loss of passengers who choose not to use the airport because of its "reputation" so I can't conclude whether this is a value for money investment....

....however, if one of you could estimate the number of diversions per year avoided by these works we can probably piece something together with a few bold assumptions. It might stack up.

[ILS 119.5]

If the ILS on 14 was improved it would not generate an income of 70K per year. There are people on this forum who could calculate the amount of lost flights owing to 14 being cat 1 only, and I'm sure the bean counters at LBA have already done so. Please someone work it out because from my knowledge few flights are lost because of the ILS on 14 being cat 1 only. I agree it should be upgraded but that is up to the bean counters. Also bear in mind that anything done at the airport is reactive and not proactive. Bear in mind the new building which is presently used for jet 2 check in was only built after jet 2 arrived and only has I believe a shelf life of about 7 years. After that it will have to have constant maintenance or be rebuilt. I cannot see the owning councils or the management looking 30 years in the future for improved facilities. I personnally believe that the airport should be sold off to a company who works proactively and will pass the future of LBA to their successors.

[Going loco]

ILS - I'm sorry, but for someone who doesn't work at the place and would have us believe they have no anti-LBA / management agenda, you don't half have a lot to say on the running of the place. The blatant point your missing on the 14 ILS is that it's not about how many flights are lost now but about how an upgraded ILS would give new and existing airlines the confidence to expand. FlyBE are CATII equipped. FlyBE are looking to expand. Get the picture? For someone so concerned with the airport not being proactive enough I'm surprised you've missed this. And on the point of hall B, your telling us that the "new building which is presently used for jet 2 check in was only built after jet 2 arrived"....errr yes, your point is?

Why not wait until the plans are released soon and you'll have ample opportunity with the rest of us airport users to comment on how good, bad, indifferent they are. Until then have a rest.

loco

[ILS 119.5]

Ok
Why wasn't the building built beforehand to encourage more airlines into LBA?
Why is 27 still in use when it could be used for parking to encourage more airlines?
Why were the airport staff told that ski flights and loco's were not what the airport wanted?
Why do they not have GMR to speed up a/c movements?
Why is the emergency vcr not working?
Why is the new desk falling to pieces?
Why is the staff morale low?
Why do the staff not get adequate pay rises when the airport is doing well?
Why do some or most of the staff want to leave but have nowhere to go, so stay?
The reason is money.
If the ILS on 14 is upgraded within the next two years then I will go back on everything I have said and apologise.
Do not forget when I said that the new desk will not be finished till the end of March I was slated by "stillin1". When was it completed? End of March.
My sources are good and genuine, my opinions are mine and others.
I am for LBA but the present siuation of the Airport being run by 5 local councils is not right. Sell it off and it will improve. Look at how well Peel are doing at Robin Hood in a matter of a short time. Look how badly LBA have done in a matter of a long time.
Rgds
ILS 119.5

[SASfox]

Summer 06

I was able to see the 4 main (Thomson, Airtours, First Choice and Thomas Cook) summer 06 brochures this morning. Thomson is the only 1 with any changes to it . As predicted on here a few days ago 3 new routes. Paphos on Mon pm, Varna on Wed pm and Bodrum on Sun pm. Other changes are an extra Palma on Mon am. The Zante has been dropped after 1 season unfortunately.Most of the flights are operated by a based BY aircraft. Nice to see (for the crews anyway) the aircraft will only do 1 "W" away from LBA on Thursdays, all other flights during the week are out and back into LBA.
Monday LBA-PMI-LBA-PFO-LBA
Tuesday LBA-ALC-LBA-TFS-LBA
Wednesday LBA-MAH-LBA-VAR-LBA
Thursday LBA-PMI-???-PMI-LBA
Friday LBA-CFU-LBA-DLM-LBA
Saturday LBA-REU-LBA-AGP-LBA-IBZ-LBA
Sunday LBA-PMI-LBA-BJV-LBA
Also FAO on Thursdays with AEU and FUE with LTE on Wednesdays. The BY flight to MAH on Wednesdays stops at the end of September and starts to go to ACE instead.

[BombardierCR7]

SASfox, Have TUI dropped their allocation on Las Palmas for SO6? (ie the one shared with MyTravel this summer on a Saturday)



On another subject, I notice that the SweFly website now has the timetable for the connecting flights from Leeds to Skavska to connect into the Skavska - Lahore route.

3 times weekly Mon, Thurs, Sat from 17th June.

[LBA]

Thanks for that SAS, real shame about the Zante, im booked on that this August.

Bombadier - Can you give me the flight times for the Swefly feeder flights? Cant get the timetables working. Cheers

Great news its happening.

[BombardierCR7]

Leeds-Lahore


Mon, Thurs, Sat from 17.6.05

WV443/921 Dep Leeds 16.40 Arr Lahore 07.15

WV922/444 Dep Lahore 09.00 Arr Leeds 15.55

[LBA]

Thanks very much mate, good times to be able to see it in daylight too. Is it gonna be an MD82?

[Northern Hero]

767-200 for the first month or so then an MD82 from the begining of August.

[LBA]

Wow, a 762! Great stuff

[BombardierCR7]

I did a quick check of OAG online timetable and it look like an MD80 from the start. I didn't check all dates but 16 and 25 June, and 18 July, so would assume the rest are the same, (assuming OAG is up to date of course)

[PTH needs tarmac]

RIP LBA-LCY

In a manner reminiscent of its start yesterday marked the last day of the bmi LBA-LCY service. It passed without fanfare or press release from LBA or bmi (or here) and just quietly slipped off the scene. Given how few passengers (far fewer per month than the previous attempt at the route by flybe) used the service it will presumably only be missed by those few.

RIP
(until the next time????)

[Leodis]

PTH Needs Tarmac, the same could be said about the Bristol service and now Air Southwest are making a real go of it
So it really is down to marketing and how the seets are sold.

[Prophead]

LBA Advertising

I think they should seriously look at widening the tunnel under 14/32.

That way any routes from LBA could be advertised in 2 places instead of just 1.

[Leodis]

NEW Thomson flights

As previously stated in previous posts, LBA are now confirming the addition of three new Thomson destinations from LBA on the airport website.

Well done Thomsons! At last, some positive commitment to LBA, your getting there! People from Yorkshire are fed up of traveling across the pennines, but not everyone wants to travel 45 minutes from the Leeds Bradford area to Robin Hood. At last a positive move towards giving the Yorkshire people some real choice.

Don't forget Thomsons, if P&O can fill flights to Bridgetown from LBA using your equiptment, why not give LBA a bash too?

Once again, well done!