BA Bank Holiday Chaos
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when all payments are taken into account, then the actual package is more like £20,000 than the headline £11k or £12k being bandied about
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Ground staff pay rates
Since when have pay rates been quoted to include pension contributions, NI, car park etc?
For you information during thr 3 years I worked in terminal 1 my basic pay was as follows (figures from my P60s)
Year to:
5 April 1998 £11,122.90
5 April 1999 £14,816.58
5 April 2000 £14,896.56
My basic pay for those years was as follows:
1997-1998 £9953.00 (+£3156 shift)
1998-1999 £10371.00 (+£3156 shift)
1999-2000 £10734.00 (+£3516 shift)
The only times that my take home went over £1000 was when I managed to do overtime.
My shift pattern was 5 on 3 off, 6 on 3 off. Shifts were 8h40m long and each set of 5 days had a 12h40m shift in.
The first shift started at 04.59 and the last one finished at 00.40
I had 28 days paid leave per annum on a rising scale.
There, now you can all see EXACTLY what the staff in the terminals are paid without the obligatory BBC inflation.
For you information during thr 3 years I worked in terminal 1 my basic pay was as follows (figures from my P60s)
Year to:
5 April 1998 £11,122.90
5 April 1999 £14,816.58
5 April 2000 £14,896.56
My basic pay for those years was as follows:
1997-1998 £9953.00 (+£3156 shift)
1998-1999 £10371.00 (+£3156 shift)
1999-2000 £10734.00 (+£3516 shift)
The only times that my take home went over £1000 was when I managed to do overtime.
My shift pattern was 5 on 3 off, 6 on 3 off. Shifts were 8h40m long and each set of 5 days had a 12h40m shift in.
The first shift started at 04.59 and the last one finished at 00.40
I had 28 days paid leave per annum on a rising scale.
There, now you can all see EXACTLY what the staff in the terminals are paid without the obligatory BBC inflation.
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But I have yet to hear anybody come up with a real alternative to industrial action if the company doesn't want to negotiate - if you are suggesting that employees of BA should accept whatever the company wishes to offer and be greatful then I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that in any other industry and it's not going to happen in BA.
Walk out for half an hour every day until the dispute is resolved, that'll get BBC and Sky there, especially if they get the tip in advance, oh but the workers would then have to face the customers and take the heat, they wouldn't like that.
This planned action is the problem I have with, not the workers right to take part in industrial action. Plenty of other ways they could do this, gain the punters support, get publicity, but don't ruin the travel plans of the folks that pay your salary. Very dumb. Us regulars in this business will take out $'s elsewhere, witness to this the first non-BA booking I have made in a long, long time..
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Well don't fly with United or bmi either, the latter's pilots just returned 90% in favour of industrial action and United's ground staff in terminal 3 are going out too.
If it goes on like this you aren't gonna have many options left.
If it goes on like this you aren't gonna have many options left.
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Well excuse me for pointing out some of your additional benefits. They are part of your package and no doubt you are pleased to have them. In particular the pension is enormously valuable and you won't get another like it elsewhere now (unless you work for the council of course but that's another story).
I say again, just what do you want? If you want to be paid like managers or pilots then get qualified and apply for the job.
I say again, just what do you want? If you want to be paid like managers or pilots then get qualified and apply for the job.
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Who said they wanted to be paid like management or pilots?
All people want is to be paid a livable wage and get what they were promised. The promise was, if the terminal staff tightened their belts over the hard times it would be paid back to them once BA returned to profit.
The whole debate isn't about additional benefits is it? It's about SALARY...
No one has asked for equivalent pay to pilots and management... the feeling is that there is money sloshing round for the management (and the pilots, no matter how false this idea is) and now some of the lowest paid and hardest worked staff want a cut of it.
Lets not get on to our staff travel package (unless you want to make comparisons with BD & VS) or the canteens that have become more and more expensive in the Queens Building and T3.
As far as part-time working & carparks go... aren't these things more or less standard for UK based airlines?
Your comments along the lines of "if you want a livable salary you need an ATPL" just smack of an "I'm alright Jack and the rest of you can go sing" attitude. Of course you deserve to be paid well for what is a skilled job, but doesn't anyone else deserve a decent wage for a hard day's work either?
All people want is to be paid a livable wage and get what they were promised. The promise was, if the terminal staff tightened their belts over the hard times it would be paid back to them once BA returned to profit.
Well excuse me for pointing out some of your additional benefits.
No one has asked for equivalent pay to pilots and management... the feeling is that there is money sloshing round for the management (and the pilots, no matter how false this idea is) and now some of the lowest paid and hardest worked staff want a cut of it.
Lets not get on to our staff travel package (unless you want to make comparisons with BD & VS) or the canteens that have become more and more expensive in the Queens Building and T3.
As far as part-time working & carparks go... aren't these things more or less standard for UK based airlines?
Your comments along the lines of "if you want a livable salary you need an ATPL" just smack of an "I'm alright Jack and the rest of you can go sing" attitude. Of course you deserve to be paid well for what is a skilled job, but doesn't anyone else deserve a decent wage for a hard day's work either?
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Strike Called Off!
Thanks to both the management and unions for their determination to crack the deadlock.
Myself and Ms H are both looking forward to the holiday weekend!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3582554.stm
See you on friday!
Myself and Ms H are both looking forward to the holiday weekend!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3582554.stm
See you on friday!
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Double Entry
I'd have a bit more respect for your position if you had pointed out these 'benefits' to your colleagues the last time they were looking for a good pay rise - but the silence was defening
Double standards indeed
Well excuse me for pointing out some of your additional benefits. They are part of your package and no doubt you are pleased to have them.
Double standards indeed
Try next week!
BA engineers not a happy bunch.
BA engineers not a happy bunch.
