Thomsonfly - CVT
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Be Happy,
I do indeed know a lot of them, and are one meself.
They are quite worried about the extensions imminent for EMA's airspace, which will likely restrict gliding to the north of HB and east of Leicester.
As you say, the patch of airspace affected by CVT approaches is already a box canyon with BHX's zone, so most glider traffic is likely to route clear to the north or south.
I have told a few that they are unlikely to meet a 737 east of the M1/Rugby masts. Hopefully I am right.
Rest assured that the CFI is taking this issue seriously and has alredy issued a warning to club members to be especially careful due to this increase in daytime traffic.
Then, a lot of us would live to see a low fly by the clubhouse one evening. Can you fix?
I do indeed know a lot of them, and are one meself.
They are quite worried about the extensions imminent for EMA's airspace, which will likely restrict gliding to the north of HB and east of Leicester.
As you say, the patch of airspace affected by CVT approaches is already a box canyon with BHX's zone, so most glider traffic is likely to route clear to the north or south.
I have told a few that they are unlikely to meet a 737 east of the M1/Rugby masts. Hopefully I am right.
Rest assured that the CFI is taking this issue seriously and has alredy issued a warning to club members to be especially careful due to this increase in daytime traffic.
Then, a lot of us would live to see a low fly by the clubhouse one evening. Can you fix?
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Re the 737 East of Rugby, you are right, if the routing needed to be that wide we would usually go North of the final approach to 23 and then bring them back round, i.e. well away from Rugby.
Thanks to your CFI for that sensible approach, I cannot believe why pilots would want to shoot through the 23 approach and CT hold without talking to ATC, we have had to delay a number of departures today for just that reason.
Re the low-flyby at Hus Bos, would love to oblige but I may not be working at CVT after it!
Cheers
BH
Re the 737 East of Rugby, you are right, if the routing needed to be that wide we would usually go North of the final approach to 23 and then bring them back round, i.e. well away from Rugby.
Thanks to your CFI for that sensible approach, I cannot believe why pilots would want to shoot through the 23 approach and CT hold without talking to ATC, we have had to delay a number of departures today for just that reason.
Re the low-flyby at Hus Bos, would love to oblige but I may not be working at CVT after it!
Cheers
BH
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Thanks Be
Had to upset you guys once in Police 22, finishing off a job near the CT. Caused a go-around for Atlantic, but we caught the thieving swine, so it was worth it.
Don't do that any more though
Had to upset you guys once in Police 22, finishing off a job near the CT. Caused a go-around for Atlantic, but we caught the thieving swine, so it was worth it.
Don't do that any more though
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If the airspace is soooo very safe, how come one of you pilots with over 20 years experience posted this recently? I don't understand half of it, but it doesn't sound very safe to me!
'With respect, there are SERIOUS issues with airspace!'
'TCAS warnings are of high possibility'
'The volume of traffic there (Daventry) in the summer has to be experianced and seen to be beleived. Again, most of it not in contact with either Coventry or Birmingham ATC, as in class G airspace, they have requirement to be!'
'Again, once abeam Coventry you are in the laps of the gods as to what traffic is there. Even positioning to a 4 or 5 mile final will have major traffic seperation/safety issues for regular commercial passenger flights.'
'Some folk may remember when British Midland used to run the DC-9's into Coventry at a weekend some 20 years ago. It scared the crews no end the countless light aircraft and gliders they came in close proximity to executing an approach to R/W23!!'
'there are MAJOR airspace issues surrounding this operation, which I hope I have highlighted. Issues that won't be fully appreciated at 'start up' as BHX traffic levels are not what they will be, come the summer months when the charter flights are at full strength, and levels of general aviation and gliders in the uncontrolled airspace take full advantage of better weather.'
'even for Class 'D'. CVT/TUI will not be anywhere the requirement.'
'in my opinion safe operation continuously from CVT does require airspace change.'
'With respect, there are SERIOUS issues with airspace!'
'TCAS warnings are of high possibility'
'The volume of traffic there (Daventry) in the summer has to be experianced and seen to be beleived. Again, most of it not in contact with either Coventry or Birmingham ATC, as in class G airspace, they have requirement to be!'
'Again, once abeam Coventry you are in the laps of the gods as to what traffic is there. Even positioning to a 4 or 5 mile final will have major traffic seperation/safety issues for regular commercial passenger flights.'
'Some folk may remember when British Midland used to run the DC-9's into Coventry at a weekend some 20 years ago. It scared the crews no end the countless light aircraft and gliders they came in close proximity to executing an approach to R/W23!!'
'there are MAJOR airspace issues surrounding this operation, which I hope I have highlighted. Issues that won't be fully appreciated at 'start up' as BHX traffic levels are not what they will be, come the summer months when the charter flights are at full strength, and levels of general aviation and gliders in the uncontrolled airspace take full advantage of better weather.'
'even for Class 'D'. CVT/TUI will not be anywhere the requirement.'
'in my opinion safe operation continuously from CVT does require airspace change.'
Just a numbered other
In the light of BeHappy's posts, it's interesting that the 737s have been coming further and further east as time goes by.
A cynic might suggest that CVT ATC are attempting to build a case for a large wedge of CAS by using the presently uncontrolled airspace between the M1 and Market Harborough. Can anyone give a need to be so low, so far from CVT?
What they are actually doing is downright dangerous. With Husbands Bosworth winching to 3000' on a good day, it was somewhat dismaying to hear of a Thomson 73 overhead, reportedly at about that altitude last week.
The flight crew will, of course, go where vectored, unaware of the danger they and their pax are being placed in. He who vectors them is playing with fire.
A cynic might suggest that CVT ATC are attempting to build a case for a large wedge of CAS by using the presently uncontrolled airspace between the M1 and Market Harborough. Can anyone give a need to be so low, so far from CVT?
What they are actually doing is downright dangerous. With Husbands Bosworth winching to 3000' on a good day, it was somewhat dismaying to hear of a Thomson 73 overhead, reportedly at about that altitude last week.
The flight crew will, of course, go where vectored, unaware of the danger they and their pax are being placed in. He who vectors them is playing with fire.
Just a numbered other
Methinks Be Happy's silence confirms a gag has been placed on him.
The SATCO now ignores calls from our very responsible CFI.
What are CVT ATC up to then?
The SATCO now ignores calls from our very responsible CFI.
What are CVT ATC up to then?
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The only gags on this forum are the jokes that you keep on posting. I have seen no evidence of any 737's overflying HB and a quick survey of my collegues suggests likewise. That is not to say that it didn't happen because I am not there 24-7.
Your scaremongering is doing little to improve your credibility on this forum. Shame, as our initial exchanges were useful.
Your scaremongering is doing little to improve your credibility on this forum. Shame, as our initial exchanges were useful.
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For what its worth...I was not sure about CVT and the problems that would prop up. However I am won over my relatives have used this airport I have done the usual pick up and drop off runs, I found everyone at the airport very very helpful, I will be flying out of there in 2 weeks and I am not bothered as I know its a safe operation run by professionals.
