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Just tried their website www.eujet.com - but it seems to have disappeared !! Hope it's not gone the same way as freshaer and flyjetgreen or whatever it was called. !!! Probably just a glitch or a technical fault.
I'm not sure about how popular MSE - DUB will be. I think when I looked at the times for that route earlier this week it was departing MSE at 6.15 am !! Cannot imagine too many in Ramsgate wanting to get to DUB that early and there are better options at present from LGW, STN and LHR. With no reliable public transport and having to depend on taxis I'd safely say any of the other London airports would be cheaper (if you included getting to/from the airport even if the seats are a bit dearer with EI or BA or even FR.
PJ mCGoldrick has plenty of experience in this business - I hope he has got it right.
I'm not sure about how popular MSE - DUB will be. I think when I looked at the times for that route earlier this week it was departing MSE at 6.15 am !! Cannot imagine too many in Ramsgate wanting to get to DUB that early and there are better options at present from LGW, STN and LHR. With no reliable public transport and having to depend on taxis I'd safely say any of the other London airports would be cheaper (if you included getting to/from the airport even if the seats are a bit dearer with EI or BA or even FR.
PJ mCGoldrick has plenty of experience in this business - I hope he has got it right.
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The website is alive and kicking !
Anyway, why should an airline be sitting on customers money anything up to 6 or more months before the travel date ? It makes the airline appear 'cash rich' and hides the true financial picture. For recent examples see Duo, see Jetmagic, see Jetgreen, see ......
If McGoldrick's track record is anything to go by (see Transaer...) then I for one would want to use an Amex card.
To be sure !!!!
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LGS6753,
You have summed it up well.
With both EZY and RYR suffering a drop in yields because of the aggressive response from the market, coming into an oversaturated area, operating from a poorly served airport is a recipe for financial disaster. Their average fares will have to be below those of EZY and RYR to tempt people away from the main airports, unless they plan to appeal solely to residents of Ramsgate and it's environs.
Why on earth does anyone think there's still money to be made in this market?
You have summed it up well.
With both EZY and RYR suffering a drop in yields because of the aggressive response from the market, coming into an oversaturated area, operating from a poorly served airport is a recipe for financial disaster. Their average fares will have to be below those of EZY and RYR to tempt people away from the main airports, unless they plan to appeal solely to residents of Ramsgate and it's environs.
Why on earth does anyone think there's still money to be made in this market?
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jmc-man think we've been here before don't you ? Remember that so-called 2nd generation low cost airline at LTN called NOW which as it it turned out, should have been called NEVERFLY 
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Could it be that Eujet willl not accept Amex because they charge them a higher % than other card issuers.
My experience has been that Amex are at about double what other card companies charge, so there is a reluctance to accept their cards. Eujet therefore are not the only operator I have dealt with who do not accept Amex due to their charges.
As for your comparrison with other named carriers who have recently gone to the wall, surely you should also mention those still operating, you do after all get protection from credit card operators if anything goes wrong.
All airlines "sit" on money paid by passengers in advance of their travel, I think you will also find that the IT operators also offer a discount if you pay early. Why because it earns inerest for them and assists cash flow.
My experience has been that Amex are at about double what other card companies charge, so there is a reluctance to accept their cards. Eujet therefore are not the only operator I have dealt with who do not accept Amex due to their charges.
As for your comparrison with other named carriers who have recently gone to the wall, surely you should also mention those still operating, you do after all get protection from credit card operators if anything goes wrong.
All airlines "sit" on money paid by passengers in advance of their travel, I think you will also find that the IT operators also offer a discount if you pay early. Why because it earns inerest for them and assists cash flow.
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Yes you do get protection form the card company, or do you? Will the FlyJetGreen punters be able to recover anything ?
My comment about NOW or NEVER, is aimed at merely pointing out that I hope EUJET don't end up like them - a non starter. I know they are already a fairly well established ACMI carrier, but there is a big difference between the 2 kinds of operations. This new venture will see them out in the open fields, alone and defending themselves against the likes of EZY and RYR.
With ACMI flying, most of the costs are covered by the client carrier so less of a risk.
While on that subject, the severe reduction in UK based ACMI carriers leaves a gap surely waiting to be filled? Will EUJET still carry on with ACMI work when they start their low cost operation?
My comment about NOW or NEVER, is aimed at merely pointing out that I hope EUJET don't end up like them - a non starter. I know they are already a fairly well established ACMI carrier, but there is a big difference between the 2 kinds of operations. This new venture will see them out in the open fields, alone and defending themselves against the likes of EZY and RYR.
With ACMI flying, most of the costs are covered by the client carrier so less of a risk.
While on that subject, the severe reduction in UK based ACMI carriers leaves a gap surely waiting to be filled? Will EUJET still carry on with ACMI work when they start their low cost operation?
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The Jeremiahs are off again.
Amex is a ludicrously expensive charge card: why anyone uses it I don't know. I certainly don't accept them in my business.
I live near Manston, and used to travel to Luton (as well as the BAA airports) for flights. The MSE catchment area, if there is such a thing, extends way beyond Ramsgate, and Kent is a major destination. In east Kent we have the coast, Canterbury, Dover Cruise Terminal, countless language schools etc.
What is happening is the development of new markets, in addition to the switch from other airlines. My company is bidding for work in Dublin. If we are successful, I can fly and get a full day's work in with no hotel costs. Over a year this saves a lot of time and money. I shall be visiting Manchester by air rather than the train as at present.
It is clear that bookings are doing well, as a lot of prices are starting to creep up.
Amex is a ludicrously expensive charge card: why anyone uses it I don't know. I certainly don't accept them in my business.
I live near Manston, and used to travel to Luton (as well as the BAA airports) for flights. The MSE catchment area, if there is such a thing, extends way beyond Ramsgate, and Kent is a major destination. In east Kent we have the coast, Canterbury, Dover Cruise Terminal, countless language schools etc.
What is happening is the development of new markets, in addition to the switch from other airlines. My company is bidding for work in Dublin. If we are successful, I can fly and get a full day's work in with no hotel costs. Over a year this saves a lot of time and money. I shall be visiting Manchester by air rather than the train as at present.
It is clear that bookings are doing well, as a lot of prices are starting to creep up.
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Disagree
We have Visa, MC and Amex. They all charge roughly the same.
But as I said earlier, Amex won't entertain the loco practice of charging the cardholder six months before the flight takes place,
effectively sitting on the pax's money for all that time. Because if the airline goes belly up, the card issuer has to foot the bill for six month's worth of bookings (as cardholders would seek refunds from the card issuer). So start-up locos are not a good risk for credit card companies.
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We have Visa, MC and Amex. They all charge roughly the same.
But as I said earlier, Amex won't entertain the loco practice of charging the cardholder six months before the flight takes place,
effectively sitting on the pax's money for all that time. Because if the airline goes belly up, the card issuer has to foot the bill for six month's worth of bookings (as cardholders would seek refunds from the card issuer). So start-up locos are not a good risk for credit card companies.
CG
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Saturday 29/5/04 Daily Telegraph Travel Section
Holiday makers looking beyond the summer to an autumn city break can take advantage of the low fares being offered by a new airline, EUjet. In September the Shannon-based airline will launch the first wave of its services from Kent to 29 European destinations – and on seven of nine routes we surveyed, its fares were the cheapest.
EUjet may prove a threat to EasyJet and Ryanair, which have traditionally had a strangle hold on the no frills market in the south east. At just over 70 miles from London, Kent International airport in Manston presents a realistic alternative to Stansted and Luton for holidaymakers living in and around the capital, EUjets Chief Executive P J McGoldrick, formally head of Ryanair, forcasts that the airline will carry 500,000 passengers in its first year of operation from Manston.
On all nine of the routes surveyed, EUjets return fares cost less than £50 including taxes. Its £28.78 ticket to Amsterdam on the opening weekend of the service (September 3-6) is the cheapest. The most expensive is £47.88 for a return to Copenhagen – still £5 cheaper than EasyJet`s equivalent fare from Luton, half the price of BA`s from Gatwick and one sixth of BMI`s from Heathrow.
EUjets services to Madrid, Edinburgh and Milan begin a month later. On the opening weekend October 8-11 its £39.65 return to Madrid represents a saving of more than £26 on EasyJets equivalent fare from Luton, £55 on BA from Gatwick and £70 on BMI`s from Heathrow. EUjet was undercut on two routes – to Dublin and Milan.
Many of the savings made can be attributed to lower taxes on flights from Kent.
Passengers flying to Girona with Ryanair from Stansted pay £22 in taxes, while those travelling with EUjet pay £16.
Savings will also be made at the airport, where parking is cheaper. For example, leaving a car for a week at Kent International costs £20, compared with more than £50 at Stansted , Luton and Gatwick and £76 at Heathrow.
EUjet will also be operating services by the end of the year to Manchester, Glasgow, Palma, Malaga, Jersey, Murcia, Faro, Geneva, Zurich, Salzburg, Turin and Toulouse.
Holiday makers looking beyond the summer to an autumn city break can take advantage of the low fares being offered by a new airline, EUjet. In September the Shannon-based airline will launch the first wave of its services from Kent to 29 European destinations – and on seven of nine routes we surveyed, its fares were the cheapest.
EUjet may prove a threat to EasyJet and Ryanair, which have traditionally had a strangle hold on the no frills market in the south east. At just over 70 miles from London, Kent International airport in Manston presents a realistic alternative to Stansted and Luton for holidaymakers living in and around the capital, EUjets Chief Executive P J McGoldrick, formally head of Ryanair, forcasts that the airline will carry 500,000 passengers in its first year of operation from Manston.
On all nine of the routes surveyed, EUjets return fares cost less than £50 including taxes. Its £28.78 ticket to Amsterdam on the opening weekend of the service (September 3-6) is the cheapest. The most expensive is £47.88 for a return to Copenhagen – still £5 cheaper than EasyJet`s equivalent fare from Luton, half the price of BA`s from Gatwick and one sixth of BMI`s from Heathrow.
EUjets services to Madrid, Edinburgh and Milan begin a month later. On the opening weekend October 8-11 its £39.65 return to Madrid represents a saving of more than £26 on EasyJets equivalent fare from Luton, £55 on BA from Gatwick and £70 on BMI`s from Heathrow. EUjet was undercut on two routes – to Dublin and Milan.
Many of the savings made can be attributed to lower taxes on flights from Kent.
Passengers flying to Girona with Ryanair from Stansted pay £22 in taxes, while those travelling with EUjet pay £16.
Savings will also be made at the airport, where parking is cheaper. For example, leaving a car for a week at Kent International costs £20, compared with more than £50 at Stansted , Luton and Gatwick and £76 at Heathrow.
EUjet will also be operating services by the end of the year to Manchester, Glasgow, Palma, Malaga, Jersey, Murcia, Faro, Geneva, Zurich, Salzburg, Turin and Toulouse.
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Serko,
Nice bit of PR - getting to all these destinations as cheap as they say will be very nice - the trick will be getting home again - and if the last two Irish start-ups are anything to go by (Freshaer and FlyJetGreen) any intending PAX would be advised to bring some details of the dearer rivals with them - just in case. At least they have a proven record of getting you home.
I wonder how bookings are going.
Nice bit of PR - getting to all these destinations as cheap as they say will be very nice - the trick will be getting home again - and if the last two Irish start-ups are anything to go by (Freshaer and FlyJetGreen) any intending PAX would be advised to bring some details of the dearer rivals with them - just in case. At least they have a proven record of getting you home.
I wonder how bookings are going.
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C'mon guys - who the hell drives from deepest Kent to catch a plane at Luton??
And whilst Manston & EuJet may well dent some of the market share at Gatwick and perhaps also, to a lesser extent at Stansted, frankly, nobody's going to drive down to Kent Intl from north or northwest London just to save £5 on the airfare and £10 on car parking!
Nevertheless, what a vote of confidence that Kent County Council has actually invested £100K - instead of seeing the Airport as a source of cash that can be easily milked.
Shame some of the leeches in Luton's Town Council don't have the same vision as the council members in Kent!
Good luck to venture and its far-sighted backers...
And whilst Manston & EuJet may well dent some of the market share at Gatwick and perhaps also, to a lesser extent at Stansted, frankly, nobody's going to drive down to Kent Intl from north or northwest London just to save £5 on the airfare and £10 on car parking!
Nevertheless, what a vote of confidence that Kent County Council has actually invested £100K - instead of seeing the Airport as a source of cash that can be easily milked.
Shame some of the leeches in Luton's Town Council don't have the same vision as the council members in Kent!
Good luck to venture and its far-sighted backers...
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Highwayman,
OK so we've had two failed start ups. Does that mean every airline that comes from Ireland is doomed by your logic?? That's a funny comment to say the least. We are home base of Europe's largest airline in terms of Pax carried now you know! Also, EUjet have a nice record in getting people home: they've been doing so already for over a year now. Some just cant seem to get it into their heads that this is not still a paper airline: it's been flying for the likes of Air France, Germanwings, Volare, SkyEurope, Flybe etc etc for over a year as well as doing charters.
Might I inform you I have it on excellent authority that bookings are doing absolutely fantastic!
OK so we've had two failed start ups. Does that mean every airline that comes from Ireland is doomed by your logic?? That's a funny comment to say the least. We are home base of Europe's largest airline in terms of Pax carried now you know! Also, EUjet have a nice record in getting people home: they've been doing so already for over a year now. Some just cant seem to get it into their heads that this is not still a paper airline: it's been flying for the likes of Air France, Germanwings, Volare, SkyEurope, Flybe etc etc for over a year as well as doing charters.
Might I inform you I have it on excellent authority that bookings are doing absolutely fantastic!
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I think that you will find that Luton Borough Council have invested quite a bit in the major infrastructure upgrades of recent times? The people of Luton still own thier airport, TBI and its partners run it as a concession.
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CAP670 there are a number of people who have to use Stansted & Luton to get cheap flights that are still not available from Luton.
A good example of this, are people who travel to Zurich. Following the closure of the LGW route, a lot of people from Kent & the general LGW catchment area have been forced to use Luton for cheap flights. Now Manston will provide an alternative.
A good example of this, are people who travel to Zurich. Following the closure of the LGW route, a lot of people from Kent & the general LGW catchment area have been forced to use Luton for cheap flights. Now Manston will provide an alternative.