BACX chop BRS-DUB increases BRS-CDG
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I think BACx have been standing still at BRS for a while now in the new route sense and unfortunatly they wont be having a winter charter flight this year (probably due to EZY op' GVA).
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'It's good to see the start of CO on EWR, although I would have preferred to see AA to JFK'
who knows what the future holds we are of course 'Bristol Continental' ha
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'It's good to see the start of CO on EWR, although I would have preferred to see AA to JFK'
who knows what the future holds we are of course 'Bristol Continental' ha
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The following item appears on today's ITV West Teletext news pages.
British Airways is to expand its operations at Bristol International by basing an additional aircraft at the South West airport.
The fifth aircraft, an Embraer 145, will be based at Bristol International from March 2005.
British Airways says it is likely to use the plane to increase frequencies on its core international services.
BACX operate to CDG, FRA and MUC on international routes from BRS - plus EDI, GLA and JER domestically.
British Airways is to expand its operations at Bristol International by basing an additional aircraft at the South West airport.
The fifth aircraft, an Embraer 145, will be based at Bristol International from March 2005.
British Airways says it is likely to use the plane to increase frequencies on its core international services.
BACX operate to CDG, FRA and MUC on international routes from BRS - plus EDI, GLA and JER domestically.
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So A 5th BACX aircraft to be based at BRS then, FRA rotation to be increased to twice a day and talk of a Milan service, CDG routes doing well EDI & GLA doing well so all you BRS BACX bashers out there you seem very quite!!!!
the futures bright it just might not be orange!!!!
the futures bright it just might not be orange!!!!
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regarding the new aircraft to be based at bristol does anybody on the inside have any information as to where it will be flying. I have asked BA today at BRS and they dont know anything about it apart from what they have seen on teletext!!!
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Today’s Bristol Evening Post carried a story confirming that the extra (fifth) ERJ 145 will be based at BRS from next March. It quoted Tony Hallwood, the airport's aviation development director.
The routes to be serviced by the extra aircraft, whether an increase in frequency of some of the current ones or brand new ones, will be announced in December.
The paper speculated on Milan, Hamburg, Dusseldorf and Cologne, but that’s all it was – speculation. There were no real clues hidden between the lines. If Mr Hallwood has an inkling he clearly wasn’t saying.
Today’s Bristol Evening Post carried a story confirming that the extra (fifth) ERJ 145 will be based at BRS from next March. It quoted Tony Hallwood, the airport's aviation development director.
The routes to be serviced by the extra aircraft, whether an increase in frequency of some of the current ones or brand new ones, will be announced in December.
The paper speculated on Milan, Hamburg, Dusseldorf and Cologne, but that’s all it was – speculation. There were no real clues hidden between the lines. If Mr Hallwood has an inkling he clearly wasn’t saying.
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Time for a bit of sleuthing me thinks!
When I first heard about the possible new German routes I immediatly thought they would be operated by Ezy or a new airline; I then heard that as well as the 7th based Ezy aircraft here for the winter they would be introducing two more next year. Bringing their Brs fleet to 9! This then confirmed my theories about Ezy operating the new German routes.
Surely for BA a Milan service would be far more lucrative than operating a 3rd German route. hummmm now im confused much to taxing to try and work out at this time of night!
Any theories anyone?
When I first heard about the possible new German routes I immediatly thought they would be operated by Ezy or a new airline; I then heard that as well as the 7th based Ezy aircraft here for the winter they would be introducing two more next year. Bringing their Brs fleet to 9! This then confirmed my theories about Ezy operating the new German routes.
Surely for BA a Milan service would be far more lucrative than operating a 3rd German route. hummmm now im confused much to taxing to try and work out at this time of night!
Any theories anyone?
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I presume the additional aircraft will fly three rotations during a day. Does this not point to perhaps one new route and extra frequencies on some existing ones?
As to the existing routes, it is difficult to see which ones could accommodate extra rotations. Not the Scottish routes surely, nor probably FRA and MUC. Although these last two have steadily improved their load factors over the last twelve months (yes, loads are only one part of the equation, I know, but the fares always seem pretty tasty so one would think the yields aren’t bad either) I wonder whether additional capacity is necessary. Aurigny and Air Southwest are running their JER rotations through the winter (slightly curtailed frequencies in Southwest's case) in competition with BACx so there doesn’t seem much scope for adding extra JER rotations.
That leaves CDG. A return to six rotations each weekday from the present five would return to the level seen when AF competed on the route. So that might be the one.
Milan has been talked about forever and might be tried at last.
I have two other suggestions. The first is Copenhagen. easyJet had built up the route to an average load of 110-120 and would doubtless have kept it going but for the Danish government’s cash grab on every passenger. I flew it in March and there seemed to be a number of regular business travellers – I spoke to one who confirmed it. It must be highly likely that the route would work, even with BACX’s higher fares and the Danish government’s insistence on a piece of the action.
The second is Cork. Aer Arann reduced their daily (except Sats) rotations to Tue Thur and Sun at the beginning of summer 2004. They have not reinstated the lost rotations in their winter schedule. I spoke to one of BRS’s senior route gurus at the time and he told me Arann blamed poor yields which he didn’t believe because the loads were good and the fares not cheap. He said BRS would be looking for another carrier if Arann did not restore the earlier schedule. They reduced their ORK-SOU rotations at the same time.
The real reason seems to be that the Irish government pays PSOs on routes out of the likes ofGalway and Waterford, and Arann obviously found this guaranteed income more to their liking. They were therefore in need of aircraft to service the PSO routes and BRS and SOU suffered.
CAA stats show the BRS-ORK route averaged 45 pax per load last month (it was a bit higher in the main summer months). 45 is 93% of the ATR 42 capacity which seems to be used more than the 72 on the route now, or at least each time I have been at the airport it was a 42. Brymon/BACX used to fly the ORK route from BRS. Perhaps they should look at it again.
BTW, how strong are the rumours about additional easyJet aircraft from next summer? Off the top of my head, I can't think where they might fly to.
I presume the additional aircraft will fly three rotations during a day. Does this not point to perhaps one new route and extra frequencies on some existing ones?
As to the existing routes, it is difficult to see which ones could accommodate extra rotations. Not the Scottish routes surely, nor probably FRA and MUC. Although these last two have steadily improved their load factors over the last twelve months (yes, loads are only one part of the equation, I know, but the fares always seem pretty tasty so one would think the yields aren’t bad either) I wonder whether additional capacity is necessary. Aurigny and Air Southwest are running their JER rotations through the winter (slightly curtailed frequencies in Southwest's case) in competition with BACx so there doesn’t seem much scope for adding extra JER rotations.
That leaves CDG. A return to six rotations each weekday from the present five would return to the level seen when AF competed on the route. So that might be the one.
Milan has been talked about forever and might be tried at last.
I have two other suggestions. The first is Copenhagen. easyJet had built up the route to an average load of 110-120 and would doubtless have kept it going but for the Danish government’s cash grab on every passenger. I flew it in March and there seemed to be a number of regular business travellers – I spoke to one who confirmed it. It must be highly likely that the route would work, even with BACX’s higher fares and the Danish government’s insistence on a piece of the action.
The second is Cork. Aer Arann reduced their daily (except Sats) rotations to Tue Thur and Sun at the beginning of summer 2004. They have not reinstated the lost rotations in their winter schedule. I spoke to one of BRS’s senior route gurus at the time and he told me Arann blamed poor yields which he didn’t believe because the loads were good and the fares not cheap. He said BRS would be looking for another carrier if Arann did not restore the earlier schedule. They reduced their ORK-SOU rotations at the same time.
The real reason seems to be that the Irish government pays PSOs on routes out of the likes ofGalway and Waterford, and Arann obviously found this guaranteed income more to their liking. They were therefore in need of aircraft to service the PSO routes and BRS and SOU suffered.
CAA stats show the BRS-ORK route averaged 45 pax per load last month (it was a bit higher in the main summer months). 45 is 93% of the ATR 42 capacity which seems to be used more than the 72 on the route now, or at least each time I have been at the airport it was a 42. Brymon/BACX used to fly the ORK route from BRS. Perhaps they should look at it again.
BTW, how strong are the rumours about additional easyJet aircraft from next summer? Off the top of my head, I can't think where they might fly to.
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Sure would welcome a return by BACX to Cork from Bristol. Was always a good runner in the Dan Air days of yore. Yes, beats me why RE were so focused on trying to do the ORK-BRS route down but as Merchant Venturer says the attraction of easy PSO money may have been a factor. As I said in the RE thread another ATR42/72 would create loads of extra opportunities for Aer Arann ex ORK and elsewhere.
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I think that the routes operated will be Brs/Fra first thing maybe 0600-0700 then Brs/Mxp 1300-1400 then Brs/Fra 1800-1900. Then again looking at the times it doesnt seem that viable.
Guess we will just have to watch this space!
The Ezy aircraft for next summer was just a rumour and I cant remember where from. Although rumours here at Brs do have tendencies to turn into reality!!!
Guess we will just have to watch this space!
The Ezy aircraft for next summer was just a rumour and I cant remember where from. Although rumours here at Brs do have tendencies to turn into reality!!!
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I have two other suggestions. The first is Copenhagen. easyJet had built up the route to an average load of 110-120 and would doubtless have kept it going but for the Danish government’s cash grab on every passenger. I flew it in March and there seemed to be a number of regular business travellers – I spoke to one who confirmed it. It must be highly likely that the route would work, even with BACX’s higher fares and the Danish government’s insistence on a piece of the action.
I agree wholeheartedly. See above extract from my previous post in this thread.
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Dont get me wrong i would love to see Brs/Cph restarted and I believe It would be financially viable, the only problem I see is it is not operated from Bhx. I know that sounds like a small, insignificant reason but It seems that in the past Brs's Ba routes have only been started once they have been successful from Bhx.
