LPL - LHR Route
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LPL - LHR Route
Anybody have any more information regarding the LPL-LHR route that so many people have been talking about??? Who might be the mysterious airline??? Any ideas??? Is it ever going to happen???
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The only ones really who could do it slot wise are BA (who aren't exactly in favour of short haul growth,. let alone domestic) and bmi, who have at least started new domestics recently to Aberdeen and Inverness - maybe this is where they see their strength - and it could grow further with Liverpool (which surely must be the biggest domestic market excl BHX & EMA without a Heatrow link?)
However, both bmi and BA do Manchester to LHR, so supposedly would already take pax from the Liverpool area on their flights - starting up LPL would just steal ffrom their own MAN flights - and with it being such a huge feeder route for BA, and the focus of bmi with shorthaul, regional, baby and longhaul flights, I can't see either of them giving it up?
Aren't VLM doing LCYLPL - apart from the connecting element, why would anyone want Heathrow when they have City?
Or is there a big local thing going on up there that anyone in the surrounding area doesn't want to travel from manchester just because it's in Manchester (like the old EDI v GLA arguements we keep on seeing???)
In fact just thinking about it - wouldn't bmi doing LPL and BA doing MAN be something like BA doing LHRNCL and bmi doing Teesside???? Is this an equal comparison???
However, both bmi and BA do Manchester to LHR, so supposedly would already take pax from the Liverpool area on their flights - starting up LPL would just steal ffrom their own MAN flights - and with it being such a huge feeder route for BA, and the focus of bmi with shorthaul, regional, baby and longhaul flights, I can't see either of them giving it up?
Aren't VLM doing LCYLPL - apart from the connecting element, why would anyone want Heathrow when they have City?
Or is there a big local thing going on up there that anyone in the surrounding area doesn't want to travel from manchester just because it's in Manchester (like the old EDI v GLA arguements we keep on seeing???)
In fact just thinking about it - wouldn't bmi doing LPL and BA doing MAN be something like BA doing LHRNCL and bmi doing Teesside???? Is this an equal comparison???
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Doesn't the sheer volume of flights from MAN to LON (something like 37/day?) suggest that LPL could take a few more without killing it?
BMI would appear to be a more likely candidate, but I'm no expert on slots. The catchment population certainly beats the hell out of INV, even if the propensity to fly might not be so great. (Have bmi considered LHR > DND?).
I don't know how much MAN nearby reduces the need for some connections (e.g. why do LPL > LHR > ORD when you can do MAN > ORD direct), but there must still be plenty of routes where MAN can't really help much. The fact that LPL has no other feeders (EZ must have frozen out KLM & AF) would suggest it must be crying out for something. FR have already got Dublin covered, so the only other major feeder contender would be Lufthansa through Frankfurt. I don't think I'd want to take a bet on the chances of that happening...
BMI would appear to be a more likely candidate, but I'm no expert on slots. The catchment population certainly beats the hell out of INV, even if the propensity to fly might not be so great. (Have bmi considered LHR > DND?).
I don't know how much MAN nearby reduces the need for some connections (e.g. why do LPL > LHR > ORD when you can do MAN > ORD direct), but there must still be plenty of routes where MAN can't really help much. The fact that LPL has no other feeders (EZ must have frozen out KLM & AF) would suggest it must be crying out for something. FR have already got Dublin covered, so the only other major feeder contender would be Lufthansa through Frankfurt. I don't think I'd want to take a bet on the chances of that happening...
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Bmi have no suitable aircraft to fly LHR-DND as the runway is too short at DND for the ERJ or the F100.
Plus, Scot Airways have what little DND-LON market there is already into LCY.
Logically, a LPL-LHR service would work, but in reality, I fear it may be a different matter, but I have no doubt there is SOME market there for such a route. Maybe a 3xdaily F100 LPL-LHR flight could do OK?
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Plus, Scot Airways have what little DND-LON market there is already into LCY.
Logically, a LPL-LHR service would work, but in reality, I fear it may be a different matter, but I have no doubt there is SOME market there for such a route. Maybe a 3xdaily F100 LPL-LHR flight could do OK?
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BRITISH MIDLAND, as it was then, operated LHR - LPL in the late 80's & early 90's using the old Diesel 9's.
Great nightstop, fantastic flying machine, but frankly there was no money in it !
Moley.
Great nightstop, fantastic flying machine, but frankly there was no money in it !
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If a LPL - LHR route was operating, then anyone from North Wales, Merseyside, and West Lancs would have easier access to Liverpool Airport. I think a couple of flights a day could easily be viable.
I would say the chances of BA operating this route are virtually none.
Has anyone heard about Easyjet planning a LPL - LGW?
I would say the chances of BA operating this route are virtually none.
Has anyone heard about Easyjet planning a LPL - LGW?
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A bit off topic but is there a good way of getting from MAN to LPL and vice versa yet or is it still a 'pack sandwiches and a change of clothes' journey on the trains/bus or pay a cab driver half the value of his taxi ?
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EZ run a bus from central Manchester to LPL.
Otherwise its trains to city centres & local train to MAN via Oxford Road or bus to LPL. There do seem to be a few direct trains to MAN, but they take longer than the indirect ones. You can also alight at Hunts Cross for LPL.
Otherwise its trains to city centres & local train to MAN via Oxford Road or bus to LPL. There do seem to be a few direct trains to MAN, but they take longer than the indirect ones. You can also alight at Hunts Cross for LPL.
BRITISH MIDLAND, as it was then, operated LHR - LPL in the late 80's & early 90's using the old Diesel 9's.
Even from North Wales, to the west of Liverpool, it is easier to get to Manchester Airport (just stay on the M56) than to Liverpool (turn off through Runcorn and Widnes on normal roads). Hence why Liverpool had such low passenger numbers until Easy started to operate a style of service just not available at Manchester.
It was DC-9s for a while, but then worked down through ever smaller aircraft types. IIRC it ended up being operated by Saab 340s.
Prior to that, MANX had operated SD360s and the SAAB 340 on the same route.
And prior to that, BRITISH MIDLAND had operated the route with Viscounts and DC9s.
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You are forgetting that midland used F27,s for a considerable period, before the route passed to Manx, not DC9s.
Busy Bee operated it for them for a while with their F27s.
You are forgetting that midland used F27,s for a considerable period, before the route passed to Manx, not DC9s.
Busy Bee operated it for them for a while with their F27s.
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I've also heard that one too... EasyJet operating LPL-LGW. As the airline grows I think it's a real possibility. EasyJet Gatwick will eventually be an all Airbus A319 base, freeing up other aircraft for more routes around the network, we'll have to wait & see? 
