America set to relax 9-11 airport security
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America set to relax 9-11 airport security
PITTSBURGH (AP) - Pittsburgh International could become the nation's first major airport to get the OK to abandon the post-Sept. 11 rule that says only ticketed passengers are allowed past security checkpoints.
Federal security officials are considering allowing people once more to say their hellos and goodbyes to friends and loved ones at the gate.
Airport officials and western Pennsylvania's congressional delegation have pushed for two years for the change for reasons of money and passenger convenience.
What happens here could become a model for other airports.
``This is new, this is exciting, because we're basically rewriting the security directives in order to allow nonticketed passengers to go through security,'' said JoAnn Jenny, spokeswoman for the Allegheny County Airport Authority, which runs the airport.
Pittsburgh is a strong candidate for the experiment for two reasons: It has a centralized security checkpoint in one terminal. And it has a full-scale shopping mall that has suffered a drop-off in business because it is reachable only by ticketed passengers.
Officials with the federal Transportation Security Administration met recently with Pittsburgh officials and expect to review a rough draft of the plan later this spring. It could take effect by summer if approved by the Homeland Security Department, Jenny said.
Certain issues still need to be worked out, such as how to prevent the people without tickets from holding up passengers during peak travel times.
``There's a customer service benefit to be had here, but at the end of the day, the security of the flying public at the Pittsburgh airport is going to come before anything else,'' said Ann Davis, TSA's Northeast regional spokeswoman. ``And I think passengers appreciate that.''
In the security crackdown in the weeks after Sept. 11, the Federal Aviation Administration said the nation's airports may no longer allow people without tickets past security checkpoints. It was among several security measures, some of which have since been relaxed, such as a ban on curbside pickups and the parking of cars close to terminals.
One industry expert said the Pittsburgh plan makes sense because airports need all the revenue they can find.
If the airport can make more money from merchant leases and parking fees, it can cut the rates airlines are charged to use the terminal, said Stephen Van Beek of the Airport Councils International-North America, a trade group.
That revenue is especially important in Pittsburgh, where US Airways, which controls about 80 percent of the gates, has been threatening to leave because of higher-than-average gate fees.
The Pittsburgh airport has a genuine shopping mall, Airmall, inside the main terminal, with 100 stores and restaurants - not just concession stands and souvenir shops, but brand-name establishments with the kind of prices found at an ordinary shopping center.
Mark Knight, regional manager for Airmall operator BAA USA Inc., said business is down about 12 percent in the past year. He said nearly half of that that is due to the security rule, while the rest is attributable to a drop in passengers caused by US Airways, which is cutting flights because of the gate fees.
``In this economy that other 4 or 5 percent could mean the difference between success and failure'' for an Airmall business, Knight said.
Federal security officials are considering allowing people once more to say their hellos and goodbyes to friends and loved ones at the gate.
Airport officials and western Pennsylvania's congressional delegation have pushed for two years for the change for reasons of money and passenger convenience.
What happens here could become a model for other airports.
``This is new, this is exciting, because we're basically rewriting the security directives in order to allow nonticketed passengers to go through security,'' said JoAnn Jenny, spokeswoman for the Allegheny County Airport Authority, which runs the airport.
Pittsburgh is a strong candidate for the experiment for two reasons: It has a centralized security checkpoint in one terminal. And it has a full-scale shopping mall that has suffered a drop-off in business because it is reachable only by ticketed passengers.
Officials with the federal Transportation Security Administration met recently with Pittsburgh officials and expect to review a rough draft of the plan later this spring. It could take effect by summer if approved by the Homeland Security Department, Jenny said.
Certain issues still need to be worked out, such as how to prevent the people without tickets from holding up passengers during peak travel times.
``There's a customer service benefit to be had here, but at the end of the day, the security of the flying public at the Pittsburgh airport is going to come before anything else,'' said Ann Davis, TSA's Northeast regional spokeswoman. ``And I think passengers appreciate that.''
In the security crackdown in the weeks after Sept. 11, the Federal Aviation Administration said the nation's airports may no longer allow people without tickets past security checkpoints. It was among several security measures, some of which have since been relaxed, such as a ban on curbside pickups and the parking of cars close to terminals.
One industry expert said the Pittsburgh plan makes sense because airports need all the revenue they can find.
If the airport can make more money from merchant leases and parking fees, it can cut the rates airlines are charged to use the terminal, said Stephen Van Beek of the Airport Councils International-North America, a trade group.
That revenue is especially important in Pittsburgh, where US Airways, which controls about 80 percent of the gates, has been threatening to leave because of higher-than-average gate fees.
The Pittsburgh airport has a genuine shopping mall, Airmall, inside the main terminal, with 100 stores and restaurants - not just concession stands and souvenir shops, but brand-name establishments with the kind of prices found at an ordinary shopping center.
Mark Knight, regional manager for Airmall operator BAA USA Inc., said business is down about 12 percent in the past year. He said nearly half of that that is due to the security rule, while the rest is attributable to a drop in passengers caused by US Airways, which is cutting flights because of the gate fees.
``In this economy that other 4 or 5 percent could mean the difference between success and failure'' for an Airmall business, Knight said.
I'm happy about this. It's been my opinion that the ticket passengers only rule doesn't do much to improve security. Plus anything to make people's life easier/better at the airport I'm all for.
But I suppose that whenever I got through security I'd better not have my pocket knife on me. I suppose those rules will still be in effect.
But I suppose that whenever I got through security I'd better not have my pocket knife on me. I suppose those rules will still be in effect.
I would be in favour as long as non-ticketed persons would have to submit valid I/D (passport or Drivers Licence) as an additional precaution. And before you all scream "they can be fake", so can boarding passes!!!
In the climate of IRA, ETA, Palestinian, Red Brigade, Middle Eastern related etc. etc. terrorism with which we (in Europe) have lived for decades I totally fail to see the point of allowing anyone other than passengers and staff through security to the gate.
It only makes life more difficult for security and removes an obstacle for the bad guys.
It only makes life more difficult for security and removes an obstacle for the bad guys.
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It has not been customary to do this in Europe because historically the departure lounge has been a 'duty free' area.
I agree with Basil - what's the point?
Could you imagine LHR T3 with goodbyes at the gates! There's barely enough room and facilities for ticket holders at times.
I agree with Basil - what's the point?
Could you imagine LHR T3 with goodbyes at the gates! There's barely enough room and facilities for ticket holders at times.
...because it really is important to say 'hello' and wave 'goodbye' at the actual gate. Not at home, the car park, bus stop, train station,at the check-in, just before security....
No it has to be the gate.
If nothing else making for a more crammed, hassle filled noisy hell hole with extra confusion that just might 'help' some body bent on causing other a bad time.
No it has to be the gate.
If nothing else making for a more crammed, hassle filled noisy hell hole with extra confusion that just might 'help' some body bent on causing other a bad time.
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Fine, so anybody can go to the gate for last minute farewells and to do their shopping! Seems that money/profits speaks louder than security.
But if I heard the news correctly this morning we may have to check in 5 hours before departure for flights TO the USA. This is so that details can be sent to the USA before boarding approval is issued (by USA authorities?)! If that means a significant drop in passenger numbers will the airlines instead of the shopping mall complain about lost revenue?
Mind you, having passengers hanging around for 5 hours before departure must benefit shops and restaurants, and of course bars at airports! No problem there then.
But if I heard the news correctly this morning we may have to check in 5 hours before departure for flights TO the USA. This is so that details can be sent to the USA before boarding approval is issued (by USA authorities?)! If that means a significant drop in passenger numbers will the airlines instead of the shopping mall complain about lost revenue?
Mind you, having passengers hanging around for 5 hours before departure must benefit shops and restaurants, and of course bars at airports! No problem there then.
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almost the last line of defence is surely "Security upon entering the departure area" ??? ........ now we face anything upto half a dozen more bodies or so per passenger, going through this final security check, just to say goodbye !!!! ..............
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This is typical of the Americans. No matter what problems they have with their security, it always has to come second to making money. No doubt the shopkeepers in the Pittsburgh Airport mall all screamed to their Congressman/woman about the threat to their jobs.
The Americans continue to be the hypocrites of aviation security. Their poorly trained and poorly paid security staff still make appalling blunders, such as the woman passenger who was allowed to board carrying a spray canister of mace (or pepper spray). I'm sure the person that scanned her luggage got a 'strict' telling off and no more. As for the woman who left her gun in the Ladies room, well.....
Yet if this had happened in the UK, the Americans would be swift to accuse us of not doing enough to prevent terrorism. What they really mean is, prevent a threat to the US. Hence their bullying tactics to make us use 'skymarshalls'.
There is no reason whatsoever for anyone but ticketed passengers to go through security to the gate. If a couple of newspaper stalls and the obligatory Starbucks suffer a loss of business, so be it.
I'm sure that a terrorist would not hesitate to enlist a few people to 'wave him off', all with a few more pounds of explosive or other threat to life. The more we allow unnecessary people through, the greater the threat to everyone. Its a shame the Americans are too greedy to see this.
Sorry about the rant, but when are these people going to learn?
The Americans continue to be the hypocrites of aviation security. Their poorly trained and poorly paid security staff still make appalling blunders, such as the woman passenger who was allowed to board carrying a spray canister of mace (or pepper spray). I'm sure the person that scanned her luggage got a 'strict' telling off and no more. As for the woman who left her gun in the Ladies room, well.....
Yet if this had happened in the UK, the Americans would be swift to accuse us of not doing enough to prevent terrorism. What they really mean is, prevent a threat to the US. Hence their bullying tactics to make us use 'skymarshalls'.
There is no reason whatsoever for anyone but ticketed passengers to go through security to the gate. If a couple of newspaper stalls and the obligatory Starbucks suffer a loss of business, so be it.
I'm sure that a terrorist would not hesitate to enlist a few people to 'wave him off', all with a few more pounds of explosive or other threat to life. The more we allow unnecessary people through, the greater the threat to everyone. Its a shame the Americans are too greedy to see this.
Sorry about the rant, but when are these people going to learn?
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The Americans continue to be the hypocrites of aviation security.
Any way you can work Halliburton in there, as well? Perhaps they OWN Starbucks.
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On the other hand, I fail to see what the huge terrorist panic is all about anyway! Simple RACIAL AND RELIGEOUS PROFILING would do away with all the nonsense, and since we're okay with xenophobia on this topic, shouldn't upset too many people.
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This is obviously just a stepping stone. The next stage will be to allow folks say their goodbyes on board. After that friends and relatives will be allowed to remain on board until reaching the runway where they will then be disembarked into a securityfree shopping mall.
I despair at the lack of intelligence ( pardon the gag ) within the security arrangements across the Atlantic.
I despair at the lack of intelligence ( pardon the gag ) within the security arrangements across the Atlantic.
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Must agree with those who say that it won't make much of a difference to security, what with everyone being scanned anyway. However, TSA officials are already underpaid, undermotivated and overworked, and it's conceivable that this rule change could increase through-traffic at security by probably two times, and quite possibly more, leaving them even more overworked and increasing the liklihood of cockups. Besides that, most airports are crowded enough already, and there would be nothing worse than dodging a bunch of blubbing family members on your way to your flight which departs in five minutes.
By the way, Jafo, fun as it must be to be so culturally superior, perhaps I could ask that you keep your idiotic generalisations to yourself.
By the way, Jafo, fun as it must be to be so culturally superior, perhaps I could ask that you keep your idiotic generalisations to yourself.
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Dave,
You obviously miss the point of Pprune. Its a place for people to express their generalisations, idiotic or not. Shame you don't get that.
Got to agree with Faire. Why bother with tickets or boarding cards at all. In fact the new cost cutting measure could be a credit card machine by the boarding gate. Just pop your card in, pay a fee and board the 'plane.
Sorry my wit isn't as sharp as yours Huck. I obviously don't have your natural advantages. BTW, aren't Halliburton pulling out of Iraq now its all hitting the fan over there? After being one of the first to make sure they got the prime contracts? But that would be going off topic.
You obviously miss the point of Pprune. Its a place for people to express their generalisations, idiotic or not. Shame you don't get that.
Got to agree with Faire. Why bother with tickets or boarding cards at all. In fact the new cost cutting measure could be a credit card machine by the boarding gate. Just pop your card in, pay a fee and board the 'plane.
Sorry my wit isn't as sharp as yours Huck. I obviously don't have your natural advantages. BTW, aren't Halliburton pulling out of Iraq now its all hitting the fan over there? After being one of the first to make sure they got the prime contracts? But that would be going off topic.
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Providing everyone is effectively screened at the security checkpoint, what does it matter if they are passengers or not ?
Design of the new terminal at PIT (and DTW) began before 9/11 and as a result there are no facilities in the 'unsecured' areas. No lounges, no cafes, not even a bog. I don't know how much revenue was estimated from meeters-and-greeters, but obviously now the actual figure is $0. And that is significant - the more money the franchisees make, the higher rents the airport can charge and (hopefully) the less they have to recover from landing fees etc.
Unlike just about every other (1st world) country I can think of, allowing non-pax to the gates was common practice in the US. And very civilised it was too, IMO. I prefer airports to be happy, relaxed places instead of resembling armed camps; although that may well have changed for ever.
It is not a security issue per se (see above), what it does do is add to the screening bottleneck. Even before 9/11, some US airports would restrict concourse access during busy times. Presumably the situation at Pittsburg has been examined enough to determine that there is sufficient capacity for the additional screening. And one would also hope the TSA has grown more efficient in the 2½ years since its inception.
I must say some of the objections raised here are a bit strange. What on earth would be the point of checking IDs ? Are the screeners going to write the details down, look them up in CAPPS, NCIS or do what ? And before someone raises the spectre of an assault in the secure area, I would like to remind you just exactly where the attacks at Rome, Vienna and Lod were carried out. And a car bomb doesn't need to even enter the building.
I hope they give it a try although I think there will be quite a battle with the security mandarins. Thin end of the wedge to their empires and all that.
Hmmm great idea, wonder why nobody's thought of it?
Oh wait..., Eastern Airlines Shuttle, although you did have to wait to pay until you were aboard.
Design of the new terminal at PIT (and DTW) began before 9/11 and as a result there are no facilities in the 'unsecured' areas. No lounges, no cafes, not even a bog. I don't know how much revenue was estimated from meeters-and-greeters, but obviously now the actual figure is $0. And that is significant - the more money the franchisees make, the higher rents the airport can charge and (hopefully) the less they have to recover from landing fees etc.
Unlike just about every other (1st world) country I can think of, allowing non-pax to the gates was common practice in the US. And very civilised it was too, IMO. I prefer airports to be happy, relaxed places instead of resembling armed camps; although that may well have changed for ever.
It is not a security issue per se (see above), what it does do is add to the screening bottleneck. Even before 9/11, some US airports would restrict concourse access during busy times. Presumably the situation at Pittsburg has been examined enough to determine that there is sufficient capacity for the additional screening. And one would also hope the TSA has grown more efficient in the 2½ years since its inception.
I must say some of the objections raised here are a bit strange. What on earth would be the point of checking IDs ? Are the screeners going to write the details down, look them up in CAPPS, NCIS or do what ? And before someone raises the spectre of an assault in the secure area, I would like to remind you just exactly where the attacks at Rome, Vienna and Lod were carried out. And a car bomb doesn't need to even enter the building.
I hope they give it a try although I think there will be quite a battle with the security mandarins. Thin end of the wedge to their empires and all that.
In fact the new cost cutting measure could be a credit card machine by the boarding gate.
Oh wait..., Eastern Airlines Shuttle, although you did have to wait to pay until you were aboard.
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If this goes ahead it will make American airports even more congested... the lineup/queue at security at the moment are unacceptable. What will it be like when the traffic increases as familys/friends will also join the never ending security queue to say there good byes??
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As mentioned, percentage-wise, it'll make it harder for the security folk to spot a nasty item and will make queues longer (5 hours you say?!). I bet that bizjet companies are rubbing their hands with all the exta business that they'll be getting.
I've often wondered how long it would be before security measures were compromised due to commercial pressure. The thing is that security doesn't need to be reduced to improve passenger "flow". All the TSA has to do is turn around and say "Hey, you European guys, we need some help. Can you show us how to do this effectively as you have been doing it for many years?"
Just something to think about...
I've often wondered how long it would be before security measures were compromised due to commercial pressure. The thing is that security doesn't need to be reduced to improve passenger "flow". All the TSA has to do is turn around and say "Hey, you European guys, we need some help. Can you show us how to do this effectively as you have been doing it for many years?"
Just something to think about...
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Yes TSA is beefing up security.
All flights to the USA now have to provide a list of all on board so that they can screen ALL individuals BEFORE the flight leaves its airport of origin. These lists must go to the TSA otherwise aircraft will NOT be allowed to depart.
All flights to the USA now have to provide a list of all on board so that they can screen ALL individuals BEFORE the flight leaves its airport of origin. These lists must go to the TSA otherwise aircraft will NOT be allowed to depart.