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Lpl-lhr
Anybody know anything about this?
How about you dwlpl?.
Info I have sounds a bit like this. 26 flight a week starting late summer, aircraft will ether be a 737/500, Foker 100 or a CRJ500.
apparently operating of peek. Look for the aircraft type sat around a London airport all day!!
Any takers......
How about you dwlpl?.
Info I have sounds a bit like this. 26 flight a week starting late summer, aircraft will ether be a 737/500, Foker 100 or a CRJ500.
apparently operating of peek. Look for the aircraft type sat around a London airport all day!!
Any takers......
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I have heard something similar that this route is to be launched from Liverpool.
Surely the route can be viable when you consider that all the MAN/London routes combined carry 2 million pax per annum.
Surely the route can be viable when you consider that all the MAN/London routes combined carry 2 million pax per annum.
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I am sure that if done right you could make money operating an aircraft from LPL to LHR. This includes all the costs at LHR.
BUT
The big problem is the value of LHR slots. An in and out pair of slots at a civilised hour are worth more than £10,000,000 (based on what BE got).
The question is will a LPL LHR flight make a profit when the capital cost of the slot is put into the equation?
BUT
The big problem is the value of LHR slots. An in and out pair of slots at a civilised hour are worth more than £10,000,000 (based on what BE got).
The question is will a LPL LHR flight make a profit when the capital cost of the slot is put into the equation?
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I think that a route LPL - 'a London airport' would indeed be feasable, EZY was filling a/c to LTN but the revenue generated was increased by using the a/c elsewhere. So the numbers are probably there for a well marketed route. That said LPL-LHR off peak is unlikely to work as the only real reason to go to LHR would be conect to long haul, city centre shopping or business - the latter two being catered for already by a LPL-LCY and off peak may miss the connections to a number of destinations!
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oh so no chance of expansion for them at liverpool then!!
Liverpool has gone from strength to strength, but only really thanks to easyjet really. No other airlines have the staying power it seems..... maybe theres just no call for another regional airport????
what ya think?
Liverpool has gone from strength to strength, but only really thanks to easyjet really. No other airlines have the staying power it seems..... maybe theres just no call for another regional airport????
what ya think?
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the only ones who could really do Heathrow and make it work with everyone would surely only be BA or bmi.
BA have shown over the past few years that they aren't really interested in the short-haul, especially the domestic from LHR, arena so it would be a bit of a change for them.
bmi however have just launched Aberdeen and Inverness from Heathrow, and used to have flights from LPL - but would they really go back there with them having 7 flights from Manchester - wouldn't this just steal some traffic (especially connecting) from themselves? And wouldn't VLM still get the business traffic on their LCY route?
BA have shown over the past few years that they aren't really interested in the short-haul, especially the domestic from LHR, arena so it would be a bit of a change for them.
bmi however have just launched Aberdeen and Inverness from Heathrow, and used to have flights from LPL - but would they really go back there with them having 7 flights from Manchester - wouldn't this just steal some traffic (especially connecting) from themselves? And wouldn't VLM still get the business traffic on their LCY route?
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maybe theres just no call for another regional airport????
Manchester and Liverpool both seem to be doing quite nicely, thank you.
Whether by chance or by design each serves a different market within the same conurbation -not unlike Glasgow and Prestwick, for example.
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Last year the planning ceiling set by Liverpool City Council on the airport was raised to 4.5 million pax per annum. This total is set to be reached by 2006.
There are plans for either an extension to the current terminal or a new terminal to take the throughput to 6 million pax per annum.
This proves that there is the demand. Something that will, hopefully, be borne out further if the rumours are true re airlines coming to Liverpool.
There are plans for either an extension to the current terminal or a new terminal to take the throughput to 6 million pax per annum.
This proves that there is the demand. Something that will, hopefully, be borne out further if the rumours are true re airlines coming to Liverpool.
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Well i can tell you that bmi's business class loads go from strength to strength on the man-lhr route, averaging on the 1st flight ex MAN of between 40 and 70 business class pax alone and that's with a VLM flight 10 minutes later (I think). Loads this am were 51C and 86Y. Liverpool I think should work! Good luck to the airline that launches the route. Finding out how many people take the train from Liverpool to London and would prefer to travel by air would be a good indication of the success of this possible route.
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bmi's business class loads go from strength to strength on the man-lhr route
Not all passengers are going London to Manchester point-to-point. A fair percentage will be better served to fly into Liverpool.
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I know I've said this before, but the Euston-Lime Street trains always seem to be absolutely rammed at pretty well any time of day.
In the light of this, I've always found it more than a little odd that no operator has ever made LPL-LHR pay, although I have to say that VLM to LCY is a better bet for anyone travelling from Liverpool or Manchester to the centre of London.
In the light of this, I've always found it more than a little odd that no operator has ever made LPL-LHR pay, although I have to say that VLM to LCY is a better bet for anyone travelling from Liverpool or Manchester to the centre of London.