bmibaby/AIr Wales make agreement
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It is generally well known that that the main competition for the bmibaby/Air Wales alliance at CWL is Easyjet at BRS.
Guess who WWW works for?
Is it really appropriate that a forum moderator should make comments such as he has made?........I think not.
Who moderates the moderators here?
Rabbit
Guess who WWW works for?
Is it really appropriate that a forum moderator should make comments such as he has made?........I think not.
Who moderates the moderators here?
Rabbit
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Sat in an ATR Recently ?
In terms of comfort , i.e seat pitch , headroom etc not a huge real difference from one of your coveted 737's, although granted they are noisier .
But !
At the end of day MOST low cost punters are driven by cost. And as long as the aircraft gets them from A to B , on time and at a decent price, with a good cabin service thrown in as well , most of them proberly won't give too much of a toss what type of aircraft they are on .
As has been said before, can't see what the problem with this agreement is , both parties can only gain from it .
Just amazed at the usual cynical , negative comments that abound on this board these days. All Rather sad really
Sat in an ATR Recently ?
In terms of comfort , i.e seat pitch , headroom etc not a huge real difference from one of your coveted 737's, although granted they are noisier .
But !
At the end of day MOST low cost punters are driven by cost. And as long as the aircraft gets them from A to B , on time and at a decent price, with a good cabin service thrown in as well , most of them proberly won't give too much of a toss what type of aircraft they are on .
As has been said before, can't see what the problem with this agreement is , both parties can only gain from it .
Just amazed at the usual cynical , negative comments that abound on this board these days. All Rather sad really
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I'm sure he would not ask for it but I am going to defend WWW in this thread.
First, he is not a moderator in Airlines, Airports and Routes.
Second, he is entitled to his view and to express it.
Third, in other threads in the past he has been critical of some aspects of both BRS and easyJet.
Fourth, I am certain that his comments are not motivated by the desire to further the causes of his airline and the airports it uses. In any case easyJet does not operate BRS-ORK and on the BRS-GLA route its main competitor is BACX and not bmibaby/Air Wales on the CWL-PIK route.
According to Bristol Airport's latest research only 14% of its passengers come from South Wales and I believe the percentage of West Country passengers using CWL is even lower. This would suggest to me that the two markets are largely separate.
I am not an industry professional, merely a user of long standing.
Personally, it does not concern me whether the a/c is a jet or a turbo prop on a relatively short haul. I prefer the flexibility of frequent rotations, if necessary on smaller a/c, than a daily service on a bigger jet. In that sense, speaking as an amateur, the theory of the Air Wales/bmibaby venture makes some sense. I hope it does work out.
Who knows, if it is a success, we might see easyJet doing something similar with Air Southwest.
First, he is not a moderator in Airlines, Airports and Routes.
Second, he is entitled to his view and to express it.
Third, in other threads in the past he has been critical of some aspects of both BRS and easyJet.
Fourth, I am certain that his comments are not motivated by the desire to further the causes of his airline and the airports it uses. In any case easyJet does not operate BRS-ORK and on the BRS-GLA route its main competitor is BACX and not bmibaby/Air Wales on the CWL-PIK route.
According to Bristol Airport's latest research only 14% of its passengers come from South Wales and I believe the percentage of West Country passengers using CWL is even lower. This would suggest to me that the two markets are largely separate.
I am not an industry professional, merely a user of long standing.
Personally, it does not concern me whether the a/c is a jet or a turbo prop on a relatively short haul. I prefer the flexibility of frequent rotations, if necessary on smaller a/c, than a daily service on a bigger jet. In that sense, speaking as an amateur, the theory of the Air Wales/bmibaby venture makes some sense. I hope it does work out.
Who knows, if it is a success, we might see easyJet doing something similar with Air Southwest.
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WW/6G Agreement
I feel its a shame that ever post on this forum should be negitive about Air Wales .
At the end of the day it is a fledging welsh airline that is doing a lot better and thank the lord for the people of wales not following the lead of many others left in the wake .
With the backing of one major shareholder i think that this new ' marketing agreement' could only provide benifit
for the airline , both economically and marketing wise .
Although WW and 6g were competing on the route previously , 6g were probably suffering low load factors due to competition with a low cost . By going ahead with the code share they have secured the route operation and gained another destination . This now makes Air Wales, TBI's biggest asset at CWL operating the most services and the most revenue.
Friends working for the airline seem to be positive . News of a 5th aircraft , more staff and more routes . This can only be a bonus for them with overstretched resources with FO , crew and telesales it can only provide extra support .
The services i hear will be operated under air wales turbo props with Air Wales OWN livery but operate under a WW callsign .
A lot of bad apple has recently gone at the airline ,both yield wise and higher management , ( ex capitol MD ) and including you Merchant venturer who seems to still be full of opinion as to the direction of 6g .
Good luck to both WW and 6G . It's the first heard of alliance at CWL and can only provide long lasting success for both parties as well as transport from Wales to the EU .
At the end of the day it is a fledging welsh airline that is doing a lot better and thank the lord for the people of wales not following the lead of many others left in the wake .
With the backing of one major shareholder i think that this new ' marketing agreement' could only provide benifit
for the airline , both economically and marketing wise .
Although WW and 6g were competing on the route previously , 6g were probably suffering low load factors due to competition with a low cost . By going ahead with the code share they have secured the route operation and gained another destination . This now makes Air Wales, TBI's biggest asset at CWL operating the most services and the most revenue.
Friends working for the airline seem to be positive . News of a 5th aircraft , more staff and more routes . This can only be a bonus for them with overstretched resources with FO , crew and telesales it can only provide extra support .
The services i hear will be operated under air wales turbo props with Air Wales OWN livery but operate under a WW callsign .
A lot of bad apple has recently gone at the airline ,both yield wise and higher management , ( ex capitol MD ) and including you Merchant venturer who seems to still be full of opinion as to the direction of 6g .
Good luck to both WW and 6G . It's the first heard of alliance at CWL and can only provide long lasting success for both parties as well as transport from Wales to the EU .
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Could'nt agree more.
This is not a personal slanging match , and i for one find WWW's posts are intelligent , well thought out and usually hit the nail on the head.
Just disagree with the turboprop thing.
Agree that some pax might have a sharp intake of breath as they pull up beside the aircraft ( most people are conditioned to travelling on jets these days ), BUT as you said yourself as long as the service is cost efiicient ,reliable , flexible , and the timings are right , i think people will continue to use it regardless of the aircraft type.
They are there to be won over !!
The alternative is a 6-7 hour drive to glasgow or a long ferry trip to ireland , know what i'd prefer.
one final thing , the ATR is a newer design than a 737 , it's not a flippin Lancaster !!!
Could'nt agree more.
This is not a personal slanging match , and i for one find WWW's posts are intelligent , well thought out and usually hit the nail on the head.
Just disagree with the turboprop thing.
Agree that some pax might have a sharp intake of breath as they pull up beside the aircraft ( most people are conditioned to travelling on jets these days ), BUT as you said yourself as long as the service is cost efiicient ,reliable , flexible , and the timings are right , i think people will continue to use it regardless of the aircraft type.
They are there to be won over !!
The alternative is a 6-7 hour drive to glasgow or a long ferry trip to ireland , know what i'd prefer.
one final thing , the ATR is a newer design than a 737 , it's not a flippin Lancaster !!!
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"A lot of bad apple has recently gone at the airline ,both yield wise and higher management , ( ex capitol MD ) and including you Merchant venturer who seems to still be full of opinion as to the direction of 6g ."
I don't quite follow this.
I am supportive of the venture!
I don't quite follow this.
I am supportive of the venture!
It suits me down to the ground if Cardiff airport does exceedingly well and if both Baby and Air Wales flourish and expand there. Why? Well, because it means more employment options for me personally. Also it would mean some pilots might leave BRS to go to CWL as they live that side of the bridge - freeing up some space at my current base.
I'd love to see Wales have a successful regional airline of its own as I'm Welsh and have been flying from Welsh airports for over a decade now. I'd maybe like to move back someday - I can't see myself working as hard when I'm 50 as I do now and so maybe a nice turboprop job based in Caernarfon or Hawardan or some such would suit me.
Whatever happens with Baby and Air Wales at CWL has very little impact on the fortunes of Easy at BRS so please don't go thinking I am bashing the competition.
Nevertheless, Joe Public has an irrational aversion to propellers and no airline does seem able to make CWL work in the long term (IT Charters withstanding).
If nothing else it will be interesting to see how it all works out. I'm perhaps a bit more convinced it will work now than I was at the start of the thread.
Cheers
WWW
I'd love to see Wales have a successful regional airline of its own as I'm Welsh and have been flying from Welsh airports for over a decade now. I'd maybe like to move back someday - I can't see myself working as hard when I'm 50 as I do now and so maybe a nice turboprop job based in Caernarfon or Hawardan or some such would suit me.
Whatever happens with Baby and Air Wales at CWL has very little impact on the fortunes of Easy at BRS so please don't go thinking I am bashing the competition.
Nevertheless, Joe Public has an irrational aversion to propellers and no airline does seem able to make CWL work in the long term (IT Charters withstanding).
If nothing else it will be interesting to see how it all works out. I'm perhaps a bit more convinced it will work now than I was at the start of the thread.
Cheers
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Sometimes on this forum it's amazing to see people who make valid comments about a project, specifically regarding this one 'how do Air Wales with a conventional type cost base equate with low fare charges', being run down. From a passionate viewpoint it may be a great project, but do the fundamental economics add up? I am with Merchant I don't think they do and it may end up as sharing losses as opposed to profits. I don't think it's a case of knocking......
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I am not against the venture of WW and 6G. The idea seems to have an attraction and I wish it well.
I have re-read my posts in this thread and I am not quite sure how two separate posters came to the view that I was pouring scorn on the idea.
I have to admit that I have no industry experience nor in-depth knowledge and speak only as an airline passenger who always likes to see airlines prosper. I have a particular soft spot for start-up regional airlines. I am following the fortunes of two in my area with interest and hope - Air Wales and Air Southwest.
I have re-read my posts in this thread and I am not quite sure how two separate posters came to the view that I was pouring scorn on the idea.
I have to admit that I have no industry experience nor in-depth knowledge and speak only as an airline passenger who always likes to see airlines prosper. I have a particular soft spot for start-up regional airlines. I am following the fortunes of two in my area with interest and hope - Air Wales and Air Southwest.
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Looks like at least potential passenger feels let down by the new arrangement:
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/bmi_by.htm
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/bmi_by.htm
