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Ryanair @ NCL
An announcement is expected within the next couple of weeks as to where NCL will be connected up to courtesy of Ryanair!
Where is anone's money on?
I've heard:
1x daily to Bergamo (Milan)
4x daily to Dublin
2x daily to Frankfurt (Hahn)
1x daily to Gerona (Barcelona)
1x daily to Sandefjord Torp (Oslo)
1x daily Stockholm (Nykoping)
Where is anone's money on?
I've heard:
1x daily to Bergamo (Milan)
4x daily to Dublin
2x daily to Frankfurt (Hahn)
1x daily to Gerona (Barcelona)
1x daily to Sandefjord Torp (Oslo)
1x daily Stockholm (Nykoping)
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How do you know that Ryanair will be announcing NCL routes soon? Where did you get this info?
Extremely good news for NCL if they do - the airport's just getting bigger & better!
Extremely good news for NCL if they do - the airport's just getting bigger & better!
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Good catchment area for Ryanair destinations not served by others, so seems a logical choice but they would only do it if the operating costs at the airport were low enough. So although they may attract lots of passengers don't bank on the airport making much money out of it.
They may be looking quickly for alternative bases for aircraft which would otherwise have used EU airports now affected by the recent EU ruling. They need somewhere to operate the continuing new deliveries of the B738s. There is a limit to what Stansted can cope with.
They may be looking quickly for alternative bases for aircraft which would otherwise have used EU airports now affected by the recent EU ruling. They need somewhere to operate the continuing new deliveries of the B738s. There is a limit to what Stansted can cope with.
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Musket...using a 738 that would equate to over 1m pax. How could the airport not make money out of it. That for me is a prime example of conventional thinking. Think outside of the box, that's how others make money!
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RYR presently have around 34 aircraft based at STN, 24 of which are B738's and which will probably increase this summer. Millions of passengers but not a lot of money in return.
They are very aggressive in keeping costs down, hence the low fares, but airports must also keep costs down if much of the traffic is low cost otherwise there is little money to be made.
Also low cost passengers tend not to spend much in the terminal shops, probably because it is costing them very little to fly and because they know shopping on the continent can be a lot cheaper. So the retail people at the airport will need to think of a way of making these extra passengers spend money.
Having flown RYR several times you cannot fault the product (provided you read the terms and conditions of the ticket). It is often a lot cheaper than a day out in a UK city. So lets hope NCL benefits
RYR presently have around 34 aircraft based at STN, 24 of which are B738's and which will probably increase this summer. Millions of passengers but not a lot of money in return.
They are very aggressive in keeping costs down, hence the low fares, but airports must also keep costs down if much of the traffic is low cost otherwise there is little money to be made.
Also low cost passengers tend not to spend much in the terminal shops, probably because it is costing them very little to fly and because they know shopping on the continent can be a lot cheaper. So the retail people at the airport will need to think of a way of making these extra passengers spend money.
Having flown RYR several times you cannot fault the product (provided you read the terms and conditions of the ticket). It is often a lot cheaper than a day out in a UK city. So lets hope NCL benefits
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Torp seems more sensible when you consider that Newcastle (the City) has historic links with Norway over the North Sea, and that there are regular passenger ships to Bergen and Stavanger, in addition to a history of Braathens flights.
Perhaps (if nothing based there) a HHN-NCL-TRF-NCL-HHN rotation would be likely?
Perhaps (if nothing based there) a HHN-NCL-TRF-NCL-HHN rotation would be likely?
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Will the FR be a based aircraft? or will they use 738's from other airports? What with all the planes they are having delivered at the moment.
Anyone know if they plan to replace the 732's on the Dublin route with 738's soon? It's a shame to change but they've seen better days!
Would flying to the Scandinavian countries work? Braathens tried it for years and in the end pulled out. Wideroe only use small aircraft on this route.
Would be great to see some Italian destinations with FR from NCL. They would def be a success, and wouldn't compete with EZY.
Anyone know if they plan to replace the 732's on the Dublin route with 738's soon? It's a shame to change but they've seen better days!
Would flying to the Scandinavian countries work? Braathens tried it for years and in the end pulled out. Wideroe only use small aircraft on this route.
Would be great to see some Italian destinations with FR from NCL. They would def be a success, and wouldn't compete with EZY.
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Is Newcasle desperate!!
Why would they entertain Ryanair. Most airports make very little from Ryanair, they pray on small airports with little pasenger output for them to exploit the revenue from passenger fees, no landing costs for x years and a marketing budget that comes from the local council/government. Once they are in, they will tighten the screw for less and less - look a couple of yeas ago with the LBA, MAN, LPL fiasco over landing fees. Nobody won but Ryanair.
Why would Newcastle lose routes like Olso, Stockholm and Frankfurt (or somewhere almost close) for 25p rev per passenger. Most full fare carriers (taking the rumoured routes into account - (obviously it is LH and SK who they are trying to attract (or p**s off) ) will not take Ryanair on in a regional airport. Newcastle were on to a good thing with Easy, - they fly the less dangerous routes - but those no proper airline will take, but are achieving good steady growth, but p**s them off they will look elseware for expansion, look at their growth from LPL - ie almost zero over the last 2 yrs due in part from WW from MAN and LS from LBA (and that is before we talk about real market expectation!), and was the deal Peel got as good as it seems now. WW and LS did not exist in those days. Newcastle needs operators like Lufthansa and SAS to make Newcastle accessible to the world, not Ryanair.
HLX to HAJ 3x weekly - Hmmm! AV8Air pushing most flights for next summer onto the based XLA! - Faites attention!! - second terminal that is talked about - scheisser !!! It may not be as good as it all seems. So to the point, Newcastle is a good regional airport if it is careful, but it is like a bolting horse - si'l vous plait, keep hold of the reigns!!
Newcastle - blowing the bubble up is good, but don't forget it can burst!!
***PS: for the smart alecs - DUS-NCL is operated by Eurowings -a 49% subsidiary of DLH GmbH. EW take the risk with an LH code share, So. Lufthansa do not operate into NCL. It is also part funded by a major German phone/car/train making company.
Why would they entertain Ryanair. Most airports make very little from Ryanair, they pray on small airports with little pasenger output for them to exploit the revenue from passenger fees, no landing costs for x years and a marketing budget that comes from the local council/government. Once they are in, they will tighten the screw for less and less - look a couple of yeas ago with the LBA, MAN, LPL fiasco over landing fees. Nobody won but Ryanair.
Why would Newcastle lose routes like Olso, Stockholm and Frankfurt (or somewhere almost close) for 25p rev per passenger. Most full fare carriers (taking the rumoured routes into account - (obviously it is LH and SK who they are trying to attract (or p**s off) ) will not take Ryanair on in a regional airport. Newcastle were on to a good thing with Easy, - they fly the less dangerous routes - but those no proper airline will take, but are achieving good steady growth, but p**s them off they will look elseware for expansion, look at their growth from LPL - ie almost zero over the last 2 yrs due in part from WW from MAN and LS from LBA (and that is before we talk about real market expectation!), and was the deal Peel got as good as it seems now. WW and LS did not exist in those days. Newcastle needs operators like Lufthansa and SAS to make Newcastle accessible to the world, not Ryanair.
HLX to HAJ 3x weekly - Hmmm! AV8Air pushing most flights for next summer onto the based XLA! - Faites attention!! - second terminal that is talked about - scheisser !!! It may not be as good as it all seems. So to the point, Newcastle is a good regional airport if it is careful, but it is like a bolting horse - si'l vous plait, keep hold of the reigns!!
Newcastle - blowing the bubble up is good, but don't forget it can burst!!
***PS: for the smart alecs - DUS-NCL is operated by Eurowings -a 49% subsidiary of DLH GmbH. EW take the risk with an LH code share, So. Lufthansa do not operate into NCL. It is also part funded by a major German phone/car/train making company.
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Newcastle is too easily accessible from Glasgow to justify that route.
You can drive or train it in under three hours - approx £43 for a rail day return, less if you book in advance.
Not so sure whether a short hop to Liverpool might work though. It's a long time since I trained Glasgow to Liverpool but I seem to recall it took an eternity and needed a couple of changes both ways!
You can drive or train it in under three hours - approx £43 for a rail day return, less if you book in advance.
Not so sure whether a short hop to Liverpool might work though. It's a long time since I trained Glasgow to Liverpool but I seem to recall it took an eternity and needed a couple of changes both ways!
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"Not so sure whether a short hop to Liverpool might work though"
Air Wales have just pulled this route after only six weeks.
However, I wonder whether it was as much to do with advertising (or lack of), timings, a route start-up in December and price, rather than a genuine lack of potential customers.
Newcastle-Bristol seems to work with easyJet, so you would think there is a market for the right product on Newcastle-Liverpool, admittedly a shorter distance but equally difficult by land transport.
Air Wales have just pulled this route after only six weeks.
However, I wonder whether it was as much to do with advertising (or lack of), timings, a route start-up in December and price, rather than a genuine lack of potential customers.
Newcastle-Bristol seems to work with easyJet, so you would think there is a market for the right product on Newcastle-Liverpool, admittedly a shorter distance but equally difficult by land transport.
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The Ryanair rumour was rife at Luton a year ago. I t did not happen.
Basically, Ryanair get what they want, cheap fees, or go elsewhere!
Ryanair however, are facing a contracting load factor. They did move more pax for thier last reporting month, but yield and loads were down. They are now making excuses, competition from new airlines making losses, and aircraft leasing problems. I have read somewhere that the Harp's may defer delivery of thier 125 new Boeings due to market conditions?
Why would an established profitable airport like Newcastle want Ryanair?
Basically, Ryanair get what they want, cheap fees, or go elsewhere!
Ryanair however, are facing a contracting load factor. They did move more pax for thier last reporting month, but yield and loads were down. They are now making excuses, competition from new airlines making losses, and aircraft leasing problems. I have read somewhere that the Harp's may defer delivery of thier 125 new Boeings due to market conditions?
Why would an established profitable airport like Newcastle want Ryanair?
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"Ryanair (FR/Dublin) is reportedly planning to add services from Glasgow Prestwick, Milan Orio al Serio and Stockholm Skavsta to Klagenfurt next winter. In addition, it is considering setting up a new base in Newcastle. "
From www.ch-aviation.ch/news.php on 8th Feb 04.
From www.ch-aviation.ch/news.php on 8th Feb 04.
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"Ryanair are expected to release a report soon about new routes from NCL. I heard that they may do:
1x daily Milan Bergamo
4x daily Dublin
1x daily Stockholm
1x daily Gerona
2x daily Frankfurt. "
from www.plane-mad.com
Anyone close to ryanair out there who can shed some more light on the situation? Seems that a report is imminent.
1x daily Milan Bergamo
4x daily Dublin
1x daily Stockholm
1x daily Gerona
2x daily Frankfurt. "
from www.plane-mad.com
Anyone close to ryanair out there who can shed some more light on the situation? Seems that a report is imminent.