Man killed at Liverpool airport by car thieves
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Man killed at Liverpool airport by car thieves
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I'm surprised that none of our Liverpool (or Toronto) based colleagues have any comment on this story.
The question that occurs to me is this: where was the security at JLI in this time of heightened international tension and severe terrorist threat???
The question that occurs to me is this: where was the security at JLI in this time of heightened international tension and severe terrorist threat???
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Its a great shame what happened!
LJLA has 1 security officer outside the terminal 24/7 with 2 others patrolling. Where the hell the security guard was while it was all happening I will never know. He is said to be a 'key witness' to the events tho, and the CCTV from outside the terminal has been handed over to the police.
This happens at every UK airport, people get out of the car to do the cases and leave the car running, so the lesson from this is to not leave your car running.
Hopefully these events wont reflect at all on peoples opinions of Liverpool or the airport.
LJLA has 1 security officer outside the terminal 24/7 with 2 others patrolling. Where the hell the security guard was while it was all happening I will never know. He is said to be a 'key witness' to the events tho, and the CCTV from outside the terminal has been handed over to the police.
This happens at every UK airport, people get out of the car to do the cases and leave the car running, so the lesson from this is to not leave your car running.
Hopefully these events wont reflect at all on peoples opinions of Liverpool or the airport.
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Any comment you like, mate.
For God's sake please don't think I'm trying to score points - someone has lost their life and it's far too grim a situation for that sort of silliness.
But I have to wonder how the hell this could happen when security at ALL UK airports is supposed to be at a high level. After all, the "getaway" car could as easily been full of Al-Qaeda terrorists as local scallies.
No airport needs this sort of thing.....
For God's sake please don't think I'm trying to score points - someone has lost their life and it's far too grim a situation for that sort of silliness.
But I have to wonder how the hell this could happen when security at ALL UK airports is supposed to be at a high level. After all, the "getaway" car could as easily been full of Al-Qaeda terrorists as local scallies.
No airport needs this sort of thing.....
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For God's sake don't think I am trying to score points
I can't comment because I have only heard about this tragic incident on this forum. But what it has to do with Toronto I'm at a loss to know. I can tell you that I was the victim of a very similar incident two years ago at Fort Myers airport in Florida. My 'Alamo' Rent-A-Car was stolen while I was unloading my baggage at the terminal kerbside. It was quite scary. In fact I am still feeling the repercussions because the CDW was on my Diners Club card and it is still not completely sorted out.
By the way Caslance, and seeing as you lived here for awhile
What is YYZ commonly known as. Here's a tip; It is named for the local community.
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Anti-terrorist security in the UK will be down to the police and other Government security services, not the usual airport security.
The murder, as the police have said it is, has resulted in an arrest.
The murder, as the police have said it is, has resulted in an arrest.
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I'm sorry, dwlpl, I obviously should have worded my posting more clearly. I meant "security" in the broadest sense, including the Police.
I've just heard about the arrest on the radio.
I hope they lock the
up and throw the key away and do the same to his accomplice(s) when the Police catch up with them.
I've never lived in Toronto,AOG-YYZ. Are you confusing me with Frankfurt_Cowboy by any chance? 
I mentioned Toronto in my original posting because, knowing your keen interest in LJLA (dunno where I got JLI from) and all things LJLA, I was surprised that you had nothing to say in this instance.
BTW, I prefer to leave the point-scoring to those with axes to grind.
I've just heard about the arrest on the radio.
I hope they lock the
up and throw the key away and do the same to his accomplice(s) when the Police catch up with them.
By the way Caslance, and seeing as you lived here for awhile
I mentioned Toronto in my original posting because, knowing your keen interest in LJLA (dunno where I got JLI from) and all things LJLA, I was surprised that you had nothing to say in this instance.
BTW, I prefer to leave the point-scoring to those with axes to grind.
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When I first posted, I had not appreciated that the incident had occurred outside the front of the terminal, in the "drop-off" zone. Since both passengers were going on holiday, I am as to why they didn't park first, and then go to the terminal. Since both people have to be present at check-in, little time is going to be gained, other than a "place in the queue". As dfearns says, the sad fact is that people have got to be more careful.
Please note that my original BBC link has been updated.
as to why they didn't park first, and then go to the terminal. Since both people have to be present at check-in, little time is going to be gained, other than a "place in the queue". As dfearns says, the sad fact is that people have got to be more careful.Please note that my original BBC link has been updated.
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According to press reports, this has happened on at least two occasions in the last 4 months at the drop off bays at Liverpool, once in October and again in December. Thankfully on those occasions, there were no fatalities, but they both involved prestige/exspensive cars (a BMW and a VW Touareg).
Once can be explained as a freak occurrence, twice is embarrassing, but three times smacks of incompetence on the part of Merseyside Police and the airport management. The airport are only interested in money and the police in catching speeding drivers.
Meanwhile, in Humberside, a police officer gives a 14yo paperboy the third degree over working at 0645 on a school morning.. Perhaps Merseyside were helping their east coast colleagues at the time and were too busy to catch their own car thieving, murdering scum!!!
Once can be explained as a freak occurrence, twice is embarrassing, but three times smacks of incompetence on the part of Merseyside Police and the airport management. The airport are only interested in money and the police in catching speeding drivers.
Meanwhile, in Humberside, a police officer gives a 14yo paperboy the third degree over working at 0645 on a school morning.. Perhaps Merseyside were helping their east coast colleagues at the time and were too busy to catch their own car thieving, murdering scum!!!
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My heartfelt sympathy goes out to the deceased's widow and family.
This incident was a criminal act.
To start trying to apportion blame to airport security, the police, airport management is missing the point.
This incident probably lasted less than a minute. Unless you have police and/or security officers patrolling the front of the terminal at all times when it is open, it is completely unrealistic to say they could have prevented it. And if you did they would have had to have been very close to the car in question. Remember these thieves thought it was an easy touch and I am sure did not expect resistance from the owner. Had it gone to the thieves' plan it would have been over in less than ten seconds with the stolen car and thief away.
Let us accept that we have violent criminals in this country and let us try to get society as a whole to accept that and not pussyfoot around with them when they are caught. This is preferable to playing armchair detective. It is a bit like non pilots saying what they would do or would have done in the event of an airborne emergency.
This incident was a criminal act.
To start trying to apportion blame to airport security, the police, airport management is missing the point.
This incident probably lasted less than a minute. Unless you have police and/or security officers patrolling the front of the terminal at all times when it is open, it is completely unrealistic to say they could have prevented it. And if you did they would have had to have been very close to the car in question. Remember these thieves thought it was an easy touch and I am sure did not expect resistance from the owner. Had it gone to the thieves' plan it would have been over in less than ten seconds with the stolen car and thief away.
Let us accept that we have violent criminals in this country and let us try to get society as a whole to accept that and not pussyfoot around with them when they are caught. This is preferable to playing armchair detective. It is a bit like non pilots saying what they would do or would have done in the event of an airborne emergency.
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MV- I don't think I'm missing the point, if the police are not there to prevent/tackle/solve crime, then what use are they? I'm not so much of an armchair detective as a p***ed-off taxpayer. As similar incidents had happened before, in the recent past, would it not have been prudent for the police to step up their presence in front of the terminal to deter the car thieves, or is that too much for the humble taxpayer to expect?! Obviously it is, but the old excuses are trotted out time and again (not enough manpower, unpredictable nature of the crime etc etc). The day we wrest control of this country back from the lily livered hand wringing liberals, so much the better.
Car thieves/violent criminals have nothing to lose, unlike the poor families of their victims.
Car thieves/violent criminals have nothing to lose, unlike the poor families of their victims.
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By the way, I prefer to leave the point-scoring to those with a axes to grind
For God's sake, don't think i'm trying to score points
I'm surprised none of our Liverpool or (Toronto) based etc
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Apparently LIverpool airport has a low level of crime even though it is situated next to Speke estate, which is considered to be one of the most deprived areas in the north. Airports worldwide will always be an attractive location for opportunity thieves, most people are to tied up in departure emotions and worry to think about protecting their property. I would suggest that the only reason that there has been such a prompt arrest in this case is because of security cctvs. It is very sad that a person has lost his life in what amounts to a TWOC (taking without owners concent) a crime which is treated very lightly at court. This persons life will not stop these low life scumbags.
Very sad !
Very sad !
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I am not aware of the lay-out at Liverpool, but in most airports, the drop-off for car-park coaches is no further from the check-in. Unless you have little children in push chairs, I can't see any benefit in using the drop-off zone, when all passengers in the car are travelling. Do I assume, from your response, that no coaches are provided?
A potentially similar situation exists in petrol stations. I have lost count of the number of incidents where a customer has had his car stolen, because he left the keys in the ignition when he went to pay!
The BBC now reports(Thu evening) that 4 people are helping them with their enquiries.
the reason, I would think, that the 'drop off zone' is used is because there is less distance (approx 30 yards) to push/carry baggage to the check-in at LPL
A potentially similar situation exists in petrol stations. I have lost count of the number of incidents where a customer has had his car stolen, because he left the keys in the ignition when he went to pay!
The BBC now reports(Thu evening) that 4 people are helping them with their enquiries.
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Liverpool airport a low level of crime, are you nuts?
This is the same airport where the security landcruiser was carjacked last year. Where there are regularly smashed up wrecks left in the car parks. (probably stolen in town). And 3 carjackings in the last month of civilian vehicals from outside the terminal . In the middle of a security alert.
So maybe compared to the local area it has a low level of crime but thats still a high level compared to the rest of the UK.
This is the same airport where the security landcruiser was carjacked last year. Where there are regularly smashed up wrecks left in the car parks. (probably stolen in town). And 3 carjackings in the last month of civilian vehicals from outside the terminal . In the middle of a security alert.
So maybe compared to the local area it has a low level of crime but thats still a high level compared to the rest of the UK.