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ONION
Thats exactly what you are obviousley an ONION, you MME guys have the gaul to call LBAir using playground antics, thats just what your doing , so sit back and listen to the proffesionals!
HOODED!
I'm an LBA fan also, Ive worked there for many years now, why not MME get a longer rwy, they maybe 7500ft, but we at LBA are 7382ft and at times we can't get an A320/321 direct to the canaries let alone on a transatlantic route from rwy 32, if they use 14 they have no probs with either canaries or USA its when they use 32 the rwy length shortens due to the Otley Chevin terrain, I still think even with an extention it wouldn't make much differance at LBA, there is hardley anywhere to extend to there,
I think a taxiway linking both end of 32/14 at LBA would be a better option at the moment, but this is MME's thread so I'll stop going on about LBA.
I'd like to see it all when they have the plans,
Peace guys!!!!
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats exactly what you are obviousley an ONION, you MME guys have the gaul to call LBAir using playground antics, thats just what your doing , so sit back and listen to the proffesionals!
HOODED!
I'm an LBA fan also, Ive worked there for many years now, why not MME get a longer rwy, they maybe 7500ft, but we at LBA are 7382ft and at times we can't get an A320/321 direct to the canaries let alone on a transatlantic route from rwy 32, if they use 14 they have no probs with either canaries or USA its when they use 32 the rwy length shortens due to the Otley Chevin terrain, I still think even with an extention it wouldn't make much differance at LBA, there is hardley anywhere to extend to there,
I think a taxiway linking both end of 32/14 at LBA would be a better option at the moment, but this is MME's thread so I'll stop going on about LBA.
I'd like to see it all when they have the plans,
Peace guys!!!!
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You will find the only Newcastle tech stops were for My Travel (nee Airtours) who had a strange ops manual with regard long distance departures off runway 25 with the A320. Other operators with same type/engine and same destinations having no problems!
As for other long distance routes well Newcastle has had no problem with direct Orlando with the A330 –200 OR 300 series. Even the 767’s make it mostly direct 90% of the time.
At least Newcastle can fill 2 or 3 Orlando’s a week, Teesside if I remember, when you had Orlando’s, always routed via another destination to pick up more pax’s!
You will find the only Newcastle tech stops were for My Travel (nee Airtours) who had a strange ops manual with regard long distance departures off runway 25 with the A320. Other operators with same type/engine and same destinations having no problems!
As for other long distance routes well Newcastle has had no problem with direct Orlando with the A330 –200 OR 300 series. Even the 767’s make it mostly direct 90% of the time.
At least Newcastle can fill 2 or 3 Orlando’s a week, Teesside if I remember, when you had Orlando’s, always routed via another destination to pick up more pax’s!
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A few points about Teesside folks (including information from the other thread):
1) Tees Valley population - 640,000. Tyneside - 790,000. Considering North Yorkshire, Sunderland and County Durham figures as well and the drivetime statistics (one hour from MME - 2.6m and NCL - 2.2m), one can see that there is great potential for the airport.
2) LBAir wrote: 'regional cargo hub covering Newcastle to the North and Leeds to the South' - do me a favour. No airport could sustain itself on the above market and nor will Teesside (I'm sure) follow your suggestion.
3) Teesside has a strong catchment area, a good product (dated but being updated and heavily invested in) and an operationally superior runway (lack of obstructions etc - hence NCL charters ocassionally having to stop at MME on the way).
4i) As others have pointed out, Easy did not start with 4/5 aircraft at NCL ('it' started with GO doing STN and then grew from there 2 based a/c?). bmibaby have more issues to contend with unlike FR and Easy. i.e. mainline, regional and ownership structure of the parent (lufthansa, SAS etc). I think the fact that baby have based an aircraft shows good sense. One aircraft, sell it hard and then grow from there. I can't think of any airline that would commence a new base because 'it looks good on paper'. How much do you think it costs an airline to open a base?
5) Teesside does compete with NCL. It will never be as big as Newcastle but it will see its fair share of growth I am sure. NCL has its obvious attractions (Airport and City) and will therefore always have a strong business.
The whole point seems to have been missed by some on this forum. The White Paper does not necessarily define what will happen, it suggests what might. What is clearly evident however, is that given the right opportunites and some solid investment from the private sector and development agencies, regional airports can not only survive, but grow and become sustainable business centres for the regions and catchment areas they serve and are served by.
Oh and by the way, regional airport growth (any regional) should be supported. The development of regional airports (NCL, LBA, MME, LPL, Finningley etc) is to the benefit of everyone. The success of a 'competing' airport will not herald the demise of another. IMO, Finningley will be a success and LBA etc will also continue to be a success as will NCL/MME, LPL/MAN even PIK/GLA.
PS - some sensible notable good points on this thread from (amongst others) Andy_S and Silkman.
1) Tees Valley population - 640,000. Tyneside - 790,000. Considering North Yorkshire, Sunderland and County Durham figures as well and the drivetime statistics (one hour from MME - 2.6m and NCL - 2.2m), one can see that there is great potential for the airport.
2) LBAir wrote: 'regional cargo hub covering Newcastle to the North and Leeds to the South' - do me a favour. No airport could sustain itself on the above market and nor will Teesside (I'm sure) follow your suggestion.
3) Teesside has a strong catchment area, a good product (dated but being updated and heavily invested in) and an operationally superior runway (lack of obstructions etc - hence NCL charters ocassionally having to stop at MME on the way).
4i) As others have pointed out, Easy did not start with 4/5 aircraft at NCL ('it' started with GO doing STN and then grew from there 2 based a/c?). bmibaby have more issues to contend with unlike FR and Easy. i.e. mainline, regional and ownership structure of the parent (lufthansa, SAS etc). I think the fact that baby have based an aircraft shows good sense. One aircraft, sell it hard and then grow from there. I can't think of any airline that would commence a new base because 'it looks good on paper'. How much do you think it costs an airline to open a base?
5) Teesside does compete with NCL. It will never be as big as Newcastle but it will see its fair share of growth I am sure. NCL has its obvious attractions (Airport and City) and will therefore always have a strong business.
The whole point seems to have been missed by some on this forum. The White Paper does not necessarily define what will happen, it suggests what might. What is clearly evident however, is that given the right opportunites and some solid investment from the private sector and development agencies, regional airports can not only survive, but grow and become sustainable business centres for the regions and catchment areas they serve and are served by.
Oh and by the way, regional airport growth (any regional) should be supported. The development of regional airports (NCL, LBA, MME, LPL, Finningley etc) is to the benefit of everyone. The success of a 'competing' airport will not herald the demise of another. IMO, Finningley will be a success and LBA etc will also continue to be a success as will NCL/MME, LPL/MAN even PIK/GLA.
PS - some sensible notable good points on this thread from (amongst others) Andy_S and Silkman.
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At the danger of being of topic, and hijacking this thread....
Of all my years at Teesside, the one thing I rememeber about the Terminal is turning up there with other instructors one day when it was too wet and windy to fly, to obtain an "all day breakfast".
We we turned away and told "Sorry, but the all day breakfast finishes at 11 am"........
Of all my years at Teesside, the one thing I rememeber about the Terminal is turning up there with other instructors one day when it was too wet and windy to fly, to obtain an "all day breakfast".
We we turned away and told "Sorry, but the all day breakfast finishes at 11 am"........
