BAA, Heathrow & the A380
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BAA, Heathrow & the A380
26 November 2003
BAA to spend £450m adapting Heathrow for ‘superjumbo’
BAA forecasts the new Airbus A380 ‘superjumbo’ aircraft, due to come into service in 2006, will increase Heathrow’s capacity by 10m passengers a year.
The double-decker A380, which can carry up to 900 passengers, is being developed at a cost of around $12bn (£7bn). Paul Fairbairn, BAA strategy director, described its introduction as ‘the biggest change’ in Heathrow’s operations since the advent of the Boeing 747 jumbo-jet in 1970.
He said BAA expected the new aircraft to account for up to 60,000 take-off and landings a year or one in every eight flights at Heathrow by 2016. This would increase the airport’s capacity from the current 63m annual passengers to 95m, without an additional runway or an increase in the total number of flights.
Airports around the world are having to construct or rebuild facilities to enable them to handle the A380. BAA is investing £450m in Heathrow alone over the next ten years, shortening jetties to make room for the aircraft’s 80m wingspan and installing bigger baggage carousels to cope with the additional passengers on each flight.
Singapore Airlines will be the launch customer for the A380, followed by the first European customer, Virgin Atlantic, which has placed six firm orders for delivery in July 2006.
BAA to spend £450m adapting Heathrow for ‘superjumbo’
BAA forecasts the new Airbus A380 ‘superjumbo’ aircraft, due to come into service in 2006, will increase Heathrow’s capacity by 10m passengers a year.
The double-decker A380, which can carry up to 900 passengers, is being developed at a cost of around $12bn (£7bn). Paul Fairbairn, BAA strategy director, described its introduction as ‘the biggest change’ in Heathrow’s operations since the advent of the Boeing 747 jumbo-jet in 1970.
He said BAA expected the new aircraft to account for up to 60,000 take-off and landings a year or one in every eight flights at Heathrow by 2016. This would increase the airport’s capacity from the current 63m annual passengers to 95m, without an additional runway or an increase in the total number of flights.
Airports around the world are having to construct or rebuild facilities to enable them to handle the A380. BAA is investing £450m in Heathrow alone over the next ten years, shortening jetties to make room for the aircraft’s 80m wingspan and installing bigger baggage carousels to cope with the additional passengers on each flight.
Singapore Airlines will be the launch customer for the A380, followed by the first European customer, Virgin Atlantic, which has placed six firm orders for delivery in July 2006.
LGW cannot even handle the A340-600! 1 x stand and that's a coaching stand. Oh yea, LGW a major International Airport .......................not.
As for STN, it has enough trouble handling 747 pax mvts without it thinking about the A380.
I'm guessing MAN would be the best alternate currently.
As for STN, it has enough trouble handling 747 pax mvts without it thinking about the A380.
I'm guessing MAN would be the best alternate currently.
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I think Prestwick will look long and hard at doing the necessary to get these in there as and when required. And I also believe that Manchester are ready to do the necessary. As Singapore operate from there already they may see the potential to get one of these in on a regular basis.
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MAN is not big enough to handle the A380 the taxiways need to be wider for a start and there is no stand at MAN that the A380 will fit on ........ is also the reson why no A340-600 are aloude into this so called intanational airport what a joke 
if a B773 was on stand 31 the A380's wing would smash into the rear off the 773 thats how small everything is at manchester
if a B773 was on stand 31 the A380's wing would smash into the rear off the 773 thats how small everything is at manchester
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Would this be the same "too small" Manchester International that played host to all those airliners - with room to spare - on May 28th this year?
(Mind you, the shortage of coaches, crap baggage handling, etc, is a different matter!)
The place where they park all those stray 747s with too much time on their hands?
Or is it some different place you're thinking of?
Just asking.........
BTW - the A380 is only about 20 feet wider than the An124 and that seems to taxi around Ringway without any problems at all.
(Mind you, the shortage of coaches, crap baggage handling, etc, is a different matter!)
The place where they park all those stray 747s with too much time on their hands?
Or is it some different place you're thinking of?
Just asking.........
BTW - the A380 is only about 20 feet wider than the An124 and that seems to taxi around Ringway without any problems at all.
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ohhhhh you mean all them planes that were parked nose to taill wing tip to wing tip on taxiways and runway 2 on the 28th may ... your right it is a big airport .... and you mean the jumbo that take up 3 stands on T2 you mean out off the 15 stands on t2 with air bridges they can only fit 6 jumbos on t2 at anyone time ......... your right it is a BIG airport
BTW the AN124-100 has 3 escort's one to lead him the long way round so he dose not go on any tight taxiways and one on each wing because they hang over the road system just to let any traffic know they might be on a crash corse
BTW the AN124-100 has 3 escort's one to lead him the long way round so he dose not go on any tight taxiways and one on each wing because they hang over the road system just to let any traffic know they might be on a crash corse
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Compared to some airports I could mention in the Northern part of the country, rampman, it is a big airport. Compared to Heathrow, Dallas, JFK and the like, it isn't. And your point is?
And just who has been told that they're not "aloud" to operate A340-600s into Ringway, and who's your imaginary 777-300 operator?
I've seen An124s taxing at Ringway several times while passing through, and I've never noticed your "3-man escort".
Maybe there is more than one Manchester in the UK......
And just who has been told that they're not "aloud" to operate A340-600s into Ringway, and who's your imaginary 777-300 operator?
I've seen An124s taxing at Ringway several times while passing through, and I've never noticed your "3-man escort".
Maybe there is more than one Manchester in the UK......
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now let me think who flys into MAN with B773 its a tough one .. oh yes its EMIRATES YOU NUMPTY ... and why are A340-600 not aloud into MAN easy they are just to dame long for the stands .......
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I have never seen wingmen with the AN124 at MAN either, however it does usually have a follow me which is normal practice for strangers.
And we did pay host to the Demo A340-600 some time ago, dont recall it causing any problems.
I believe the airport have potential long term plans for widening taxiways, which would entail demolishing the fire station, and closing stands 60 - 66.
In relation to diversion alternates for the A380, I think CDG with its acres to spare would be a good choice for any LHR bound aircraft, as seems to be the case with many airlines already.
Just out of interest does anybody have the wing span and lenghts of the mentioned aircraft.
A380
A340 -600
B747
A124
And we did pay host to the Demo A340-600 some time ago, dont recall it causing any problems.
I believe the airport have potential long term plans for widening taxiways, which would entail demolishing the fire station, and closing stands 60 - 66.
In relation to diversion alternates for the A380, I think CDG with its acres to spare would be a good choice for any LHR bound aircraft, as seems to be the case with many airlines already.
Just out of interest does anybody have the wing span and lenghts of the mentioned aircraft.
A380
A340 -600
B747
A124
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rampman:
Emirates are not a regular Boeing 777-300 operator into Manchester - I'll grant you that 777s (usually -200s) operate the occasional over-subscribed flight, but the A330 is the scheduled type on both daily services.
And I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence for your assertion that A340-600s are "not aloud" to operate into Ringway - a single authoritative (ie, not made up)source will do.
Oh, and by the way - here's a picture of some of those airliners packed nose-to-tail like sardines in "tiny" Ringway on May 28th. I wonder where all that space came from?
Numpty, indeed!
Emirates are not a regular Boeing 777-300 operator into Manchester - I'll grant you that 777s (usually -200s) operate the occasional over-subscribed flight, but the A330 is the scheduled type on both daily services.
And I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence for your assertion that A340-600s are "not aloud" to operate into Ringway - a single authoritative (ie, not made up)source will do.
Oh, and by the way - here's a picture of some of those airliners packed nose-to-tail like sardines in "tiny" Ringway on May 28th. I wonder where all that space came from?
Numpty, indeed!
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Only one numpty here.
In the real world airports design their stands against their anticipated needs. T2 for instance - do all stands need to be able to handle the B747 - No.
How many stands do they need to handle B777-300s and A340-600s? With EKs occasional use of the B777-300 on ops into MAN I would suggest 1! As for the A340-600 I do remember the Airbus demonstrator trundling around the airfield without crashing into anything!
In 10 years time how many A380s will be operating into MAN? One a day at the most. Two or three if LHR is shut.
So do all stands need to handle B777-300s, A340-600s and A380s. NO!!!
In the real world airports design their stands against their anticipated needs. T2 for instance - do all stands need to be able to handle the B747 - No.
How many stands do they need to handle B777-300s and A340-600s? With EKs occasional use of the B777-300 on ops into MAN I would suggest 1! As for the A340-600 I do remember the Airbus demonstrator trundling around the airfield without crashing into anything!
In 10 years time how many A380s will be operating into MAN? One a day at the most. Two or three if LHR is shut.
So do all stands need to handle B777-300s, A340-600s and A380s. NO!!!
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I only asked!!!!!!
CDG makes sense as an alt: any way it probably quicker to get from CDG to London than from Manchester and certainly PIK.
I seem to remember something about only 27L/09R being usable by the megabus, due to wing tip clearance with the outer taxiway at the northern end.Still if they are spending this much dosh then no doubt that will get fixed as well, for me i'd much rather they spent the money on a third runway or both, but i guess that T5 megabus and a third runway plus the spend at Stanstead and EDI taxiway will be too much for one company in a five year period.
CDG makes sense as an alt: any way it probably quicker to get from CDG to London than from Manchester and certainly PIK.
I seem to remember something about only 27L/09R being usable by the megabus, due to wing tip clearance with the outer taxiway at the northern end.Still if they are spending this much dosh then no doubt that will get fixed as well, for me i'd much rather they spent the money on a third runway or both, but i guess that T5 megabus and a third runway plus the spend at Stanstead and EDI taxiway will be too much for one company in a five year period.
I was at a presentation by MAN Apt Plc earlier this year and they seemed to be advanced in their planning for larger aircraft such as the 777-300, A340-600 and A380.
There will be a lot of change to stands and taxiways going on in the next few years after which a lot of the current frustrations will disappear.
I thought their presentation very professional and well structured and a total opposite to the back of a fag packet effort which followed on given by GAL.
There will be a lot of change to stands and taxiways going on in the next few years after which a lot of the current frustrations will disappear.
I thought their presentation very professional and well structured and a total opposite to the back of a fag packet effort which followed on given by GAL.
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Going Back to Prestwick,
It will be able to handle this bird no problem if required,Virgin will probably bring it to PIK to crew train like they did with there A340-600.
The big guns Prestwick can and has handled,
747-1/2/3/400
777-200
AN124
AN225
A340-5/600
C5 Galaxy
If it can handle these then there is not a doubt that it can handle A380 equipment.As for Glasgow I cant see a daily Emirates A380 flight to DXB.
MAN777,
Wingspans below,
747-1/200........59.6m(195ft 8in)
747-3/400........64.4m(211ft 5in)
A340-600.........60.3m(197ft 10in)
AN124..............73.3m(240ft 6in)
A380.................79.8m(261ft 10in)
hope this helps.
kpiko3
It will be able to handle this bird no problem if required,Virgin will probably bring it to PIK to crew train like they did with there A340-600.
The big guns Prestwick can and has handled,
747-1/2/3/400
777-200
AN124
AN225
A340-5/600
C5 Galaxy
If it can handle these then there is not a doubt that it can handle A380 equipment.As for Glasgow I cant see a daily Emirates A380 flight to DXB.
MAN777,
Wingspans below,
747-1/200........59.6m(195ft 8in)
747-3/400........64.4m(211ft 5in)
A340-600.........60.3m(197ft 10in)
AN124..............73.3m(240ft 6in)
A380.................79.8m(261ft 10in)
hope this helps.
kpiko3
Last edited by kpiko3; 30th Nov 2003 at 07:23.
