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Why did Gill cancel the Prestwick - Belfast route? Didn't they cancel it some time before they went bust? Seacat are also considering cutting back on the Troon - Belfast sailing as there is too much competition from P&O and low cost airlines.
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Gill cancelled because the aircraft rotation Newcastle to Belfast city was reduced. That particular flight originated and terminated at NEW. I believe they got rid of an ATR and couldn't run as many services to Belfast and as a result they couldn't serve PIK.
They did say the route was profitable and they would return as soon as they had more aircraft....... still waiting uhoh:
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For those who remember the PanAm statement ... we are still waiting for the PA77 to be re-instated !!!
They did say the route was profitable and they would return as soon as they had more aircraft....... still waiting uhoh:
:For those who remember the PanAm statement ... we are still waiting for the PA77 to be re-instated !!!
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Got a very strong rumour today that Air Omega will begin flights between ABZ and STN early next year. Up to four flights each way daily. Possibly operated by a STN based charter airline on a wet lease. Aircraft type most likely 737. Handling agent at STN not known at present, rumoured to be Servisair.
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The ABZ route to STN that is rumoured will be after the prestwick becase is announced and started according to that guy who posted claiming to be from Air Omega.
They will operate a fleet of BAE 146-100/200 aircraft supposidly.
And for those interested the EMB-120 operating into Prestwick right now is "D-CAOB".A very common visitor these days.I was thinking last night about some routes,wht do you think about these!!
Newcastle
Belfast
Bristol
Cork
Liverpool<<<<<would be excellent
Jersey
FINDO,can I ask what the PA77 incident was,Im to old to remember 
Cheers
kpiko3
They will operate a fleet of BAE 146-100/200 aircraft supposidly.
And for those interested the EMB-120 operating into Prestwick right now is "D-CAOB".A very common visitor these days.I was thinking last night about some routes,wht do you think about these!!
Newcastle
Belfast
Bristol
Cork
Liverpool<<<<<would be excellent
Jersey
FINDO,can I ask what the PA77 incident was,Im to old to remember
Cheers
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The PA77 was the new York PIK Warsaw scheduled service which was suspended when one of the middle east wars caused petrol prices to rise 3 fold in a matter of months.
PanAm announced the "temporary" suspension of the service and took it very badly when someone published in the Prestwick Air Letter a spoof millenium edition which said the PA77 was still temporarily suspended. ( I think that publisher might be a retired Wing Commander on PIKorg now)
The PA77 was the new York PIK Warsaw scheduled service which was suspended when one of the middle east wars caused petrol prices to rise 3 fold in a matter of months.
PanAm announced the "temporary" suspension of the service and took it very badly when someone published in the Prestwick Air Letter a spoof millenium edition which said the PA77 was still temporarily suspended. ( I think that publisher might be a retired Wing Commander
on PIKorg now)
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According to some German guy at Air Omega in Germany, from January 5th, they plan to fly from Prestwick to Teeside and East Midlands using a 30 seat aircraft. Birmingham and other routes will be looked at later.
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East Midlands?
With bmibaby and EasyJet operating already out of GLA is this viable? B737s of household names vs a 30 seater of an unknown company? Me thinks that ones a flop.
Teesside? Bit obscure, depending on how low their fares go they may attract 30 people a day.
With bmibaby and EasyJet operating already out of GLA is this viable? B737s of household names vs a 30 seater of an unknown company? Me thinks that ones a flop.
Teesside? Bit obscure, depending on how low their fares go they may attract 30 people a day.
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XS - They are NOT a "low fare" carrier, they intend to operate a full service airline targeting the business market.
It is only a 30 seat aircraft, so depending on the break-even load factor, the route might be viable with considerably less than 30 people per day.
It is only a 30 seat aircraft, so depending on the break-even load factor, the route might be viable with considerably less than 30 people per day.
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Yep,I know but not all the time.
If I post a rumour it is when I hear it from somewhere or other,either somebody I was speaking to to that day or a story on one of the many forums on the net.
After all whats wrong with a good old rumour
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Kris/kpiko3
If I post a rumour it is when I hear it from somewhere or other,either somebody I was speaking to to that day or a story on one of the many forums on the net.
After all whats wrong with a good old rumour
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Aberdeen to Stansted, Prestwick and Shannon? The BAA arrivals for Aberdeen are showing cancelled arrivals for 'AOW' to these destinations:
http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/v...hp?p=1327#1327
http://www.baa.com/main/airports/abe...als_frame.html
L.
http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/v...hp?p=1327#1327
http://www.baa.com/main/airports/abe...als_frame.html
L.
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Fact:
All dispatchers from my ground handling company at STN are being trained on how to operate the Jet Bridges on satellite 2 (the domestic area) between today and the next three weeks. I received my information sheets about the bridges yesterday.
We currently don't handle any domestic flights, nor any flights from Satellite two, and have been told that this training is in preparation for a new contract starting very soon.
Rumours:
It is rumoured to be Air Omega.
I have seen an itinerary with flights prefixed with AOW, and the itinerary says the aircraft type is a Boeing 733. (Which would tie in with us being trained on the Jetways, since I don't know any 30-seater aircraft that use Jet Bridges!)
It is rumoured to be a Titan aircraft.
Interesting stuff!
All dispatchers from my ground handling company at STN are being trained on how to operate the Jet Bridges on satellite 2 (the domestic area) between today and the next three weeks. I received my information sheets about the bridges yesterday.
We currently don't handle any domestic flights, nor any flights from Satellite two, and have been told that this training is in preparation for a new contract starting very soon.
Rumours:
It is rumoured to be Air Omega.
I have seen an itinerary with flights prefixed with AOW, and the itinerary says the aircraft type is a Boeing 733. (Which would tie in with us being trained on the Jetways, since I don't know any 30-seater aircraft that use Jet Bridges!)
It is rumoured to be a Titan aircraft.
Interesting stuff!
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This whole Air Omega thing is begginning to get quite interesting beleive it or not.
For instance
Rumoured Routes.
PIK-BHX
PIK-EMA
PIK-Teeside
PIK-ABZ
ABZ-SNN
ABZ-STN
Rumoured Aircraft,
BAE 146-200
BAE 146-100
Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia(D-CAOB/D-CAOA)
Boeing 737-300(Titan)
Also Omega have been linked with the Dornier 328 jet equipment in the past.
Now all we have to wait and see when there will be an announcement,hopefully before christmas.:-)
Kpiko3
For instance
Rumoured Routes.
PIK-BHX
PIK-EMA
PIK-Teeside
PIK-ABZ
ABZ-SNN
ABZ-STN
Rumoured Aircraft,
BAE 146-200
BAE 146-100
Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia(D-CAOB/D-CAOA)
Boeing 737-300(Titan)
Also Omega have been linked with the Dornier 328 jet equipment in the past.
Now all we have to wait and see when there will be an announcement,hopefully before christmas.:-)
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So, what is the story behind the AOC please ? It was definitely withdrawn because of some irregularities this summer - when was it re-awarded and since when is Air Omega operating again ?
Is the person who launched paper airline Air Omega UK this spring and promised a June 2003 start-up with Dornier 328-300 now with Air Omega D (who is apparently the company behind the PIK operation) ? This is the story from earlier this year:
"Fairchild Dornier last week announced a firm sales order from regional airline Air Omega for two 328JET aircraft, as well as a lease agreement for two additional 328JET aircraft. Total value of the transaction is $44 million. "We selected the 328 on the basis of three criteria," remarked Air Omega CEO Armin Peuker. "Short field performance, cabin size and the quality of the Dornier product. Runway length at our Augsburg home base is only 1,200 meters. No other production aircraft could match the 328 payload performance from Augsburg." Air Omega's passenger service will begin this June with 328JET flights from Augsburg to Berlin Templehoff, Dusseldorf and Hamburg. Initially, aircraft leased from Ozark Management, Inc. will be used. Two new aircraft will join the Air Omega fleet in later in 2003."
Needless to say nothing happened in the real world. The routes from Augsburg are now operated by Denim Airways. This is, by the way, what the Air Omega website says on the Air Omega UK / Air Omega saga (only in German, sorry):
"Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH / Air Omega U.K. Ltd.
Die Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH hat ihren Sitz in Altenburg-Nobitz. Air Omega UK Ltd. ist eine Gesellschaft englischen Rechts. Die Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH und Air Omega UK Ltd. sind Schwestergesellschaften gleicher Gesellschafter. Die Firmen sind voneinander losgelöst und betreiben getrennte Operationen: Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH mit Sitz in Altenburg-Nobitz operiert weiterhin Cargo-Flüge. Air Omega U.K. Ltd. betreibt Passagierflüge. Ihre Anfragen zu Passagierflügen richten Sie bitte ausschließlich an Air Omega UK Ltd. unter der Telefonnummer 0800-24766342."
Is the person who launched paper airline Air Omega UK this spring and promised a June 2003 start-up with Dornier 328-300 now with Air Omega D (who is apparently the company behind the PIK operation) ? This is the story from earlier this year:
"Fairchild Dornier last week announced a firm sales order from regional airline Air Omega for two 328JET aircraft, as well as a lease agreement for two additional 328JET aircraft. Total value of the transaction is $44 million. "We selected the 328 on the basis of three criteria," remarked Air Omega CEO Armin Peuker. "Short field performance, cabin size and the quality of the Dornier product. Runway length at our Augsburg home base is only 1,200 meters. No other production aircraft could match the 328 payload performance from Augsburg." Air Omega's passenger service will begin this June with 328JET flights from Augsburg to Berlin Templehoff, Dusseldorf and Hamburg. Initially, aircraft leased from Ozark Management, Inc. will be used. Two new aircraft will join the Air Omega fleet in later in 2003."
Needless to say nothing happened in the real world. The routes from Augsburg are now operated by Denim Airways. This is, by the way, what the Air Omega website says on the Air Omega UK / Air Omega saga (only in German, sorry):
"Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH / Air Omega U.K. Ltd.
Die Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH hat ihren Sitz in Altenburg-Nobitz. Air Omega UK Ltd. ist eine Gesellschaft englischen Rechts. Die Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH und Air Omega UK Ltd. sind Schwestergesellschaften gleicher Gesellschafter. Die Firmen sind voneinander losgelöst und betreiben getrennte Operationen: Air Omega Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH mit Sitz in Altenburg-Nobitz operiert weiterhin Cargo-Flüge. Air Omega U.K. Ltd. betreibt Passagierflüge. Ihre Anfragen zu Passagierflügen richten Sie bitte ausschließlich an Air Omega UK Ltd. unter der Telefonnummer 0800-24766342."
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Kris,
I think it's time you had an early night son, because your
rumours are so OTT, and bear NO relation at all to what's really
happening at PIK. What do you tell the teacher in the morning
when you are falling asleep in the class ? Sorry miss, I'm in charge
of starting rumours at Prestwick airport !
If anything Kris, you COULD actually be causing possible potential commercial damage, to PIK's dealings with any future business
partners. Rumours, in the true sense of the word, are "interesting", however, starting a rumour for the sake of getting your "number of postings" up, and letting your imagination run riot, and "wishful thinking", especially at your
tender age, are NOT really the way to gain any respect from
persons that have been in the aviation business for many years.
Why not, slow down a bit, take a deep breath, and then THINK
prior to posting. We all had to start SOMEWHERE Kris, but maybe,
just maybe, if you take your time, when you leave school, you MAY possibly be in a position to make more informed judgements
in the aviation world (in the future). And I for one, hope that you do, because, I think that you will be good at that by then.
Good luck Kris.
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I think it's time you had an early night son, because your
rumours are so OTT, and bear NO relation at all to what's really
happening at PIK. What do you tell the teacher in the morning
when you are falling asleep in the class ? Sorry miss, I'm in charge
of starting rumours at Prestwick airport !
If anything Kris, you COULD actually be causing possible potential commercial damage, to PIK's dealings with any future business
partners. Rumours, in the true sense of the word, are "interesting", however, starting a rumour for the sake of getting your "number of postings" up, and letting your imagination run riot, and "wishful thinking", especially at your
tender age, are NOT really the way to gain any respect from
persons that have been in the aviation business for many years.
Why not, slow down a bit, take a deep breath, and then THINK
prior to posting. We all had to start SOMEWHERE Kris, but maybe,
just maybe, if you take your time, when you leave school, you MAY possibly be in a position to make more informed judgements
in the aviation world (in the future). And I for one, hope that you do, because, I think that you will be good at that by then.
Good luck Kris.
Twin Pin
;-))
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What is the thinking behind routes such as PIK-MME (Air Omega poss.) and LPL-NCL (Air Wales)? Is there really demand for these routes? How can you quantify it? Or, are the respective operators just thinking: "I'll have a piece of that.." and hope that the thing makes money???