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Old 10th Oct 2003, 19:16
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To my certain knowledge Sainsburys, Marks & Spencer, Daewoo to name a few are neither Irish or have Irish subsidiaries and yet they appear in the list.

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My comments are far from uninformed and are realistic - your utterings are obviously through rose tinted glasses - if you consider my remarks to be biased then yours in favour of Easyjet are vastly more so - maybe you're a disenchanted shareholder.
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I suggest that you actually look at the Top 100 companies and the information that it gives. To answer your specific points:

Marks and Spencer-the article refers to M&S Ireland.

Daewoo-the article specifically says that it was founded in Antrim in 1989 and is the sole manufacturer of Daewoo videos in Europe.

Sainsburys-I know that I am getting on a bit but I cannot see them on the list.

Based on the above, I will let others draw their own conclusion.

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The posts on this subject (with the exception of my own & My Secret Smile) are evidence that certain individuals simply cannot accept any criticism constructive or otherwise about their beloved Easyjet and can only react by resorting to abject abuse of anyone who dares to differ with them - not very democratic!

The fact is that air travel doesn't revolve around Easyjet - there are numerous other much more experienced players in the field and most of these, it has to be said, with considerably better standards of service. I would prefer to pay a bit more and be treated with a little respect not contempt.

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The posts on this subject (with the exception of my own & My Secret Smile) are evidence that certain individuals simply cannot accept any criticism constructive or otherwise about their beloved Easyjet and can only react by resorting to abject abuse of anyone who dares to differ with them - not very democratic
I don't know what planet you are on but the only vitriol that I can see on this thread is from you. For the record, I have no connections with EJ in anyway shape or form apart from the fact that I have flown with them-although I have also flown with BA, Ryanair and BMI to name a few.

The fact is that air travel doesn't revolve around Easyjet - there are numerous other much more experienced players in the field
Extremely true, the concept of LCC's in Europe only really took off in the 90's and as EJ was one of the first to do it, they cannot be that old. Having said that EJ (and to be fair Ryanair and others) are performing far better than most of the more experienced players out there (BA, Swiss, AA, UA etc. etc)

most of these, it has to be said, with considerably better standards of service. I would prefer to pay a bit more and be treated with a little respect not contempt
Fair enough-you are entitled to a point of view. Based on EJ's growth over the last few years (especially in NI according to the figures you posted), there are a lot of people that disagree with you.

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Don't you want to correct some of the glaring mistakes that you have made on this thread?
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Mistakes? the only mistake I made was to have the audacity to instigate this thread simply to state my opinion - the last thing I expected was to be greeted with a torrent of abuse from those who chose to differ.

Most posts on these forums can manage to be non malicious - not so in this case.

In future I will think very carefully before DARING to voice my opinions.

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allmcc,i have tried to make sound reasoning with you in the past but allas its always all in vain.you are so biast that you can never see the bigger picture of things.ezy have gone from 2 returns per day to 64 movements a day at bfs,soon to grow with more european destinations.you always harp on about low load factors at bfs ie cwl,stn lgw ltn.ema and i can assure you low loads they are not.i work in the industry and regulary see caa figures especially bfs/bhd routes to the mainland and also every day i can tell you exactly the loads on a certain loco operating from bhd to various destinations in the uk,btw their lgw and brs looks very unheathy at the mo, in terms of seats available after flight close out.In your previous posts you seem to have really enjoyed the fact that lots of people ,who employed for years at bfs were suddenly faced with redundancy or just simply sacked as they did not have enough service to warrant a pay off.there is so much i could say on this thread but i work for an airline so i have to use some decorum and keep a bit of savvy about me,i only hope you never face the same as a lot of staff have who worked at bfs for many years have,,,cause im sure that many people remember bertha and her collegues..Btw bertha was always great when on standby,she always onloaded you even when ba was overbooked
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Believe it or not I thought long and hard about whether it was worthwhile replying to the most recent post on this subject - I have decided to so here goes! I have already explained that I too have experienced redundancy although not in the airline industry. I am not exactly in the first flush of youth but still managed to secure another position in a matter of weeks. Redundancy is not something which only affects the aviation industry!

My main arguments on this subject have been that the posters have been trying to virtually deny the very existence of BHD and would, no doubt, laugh heartily if it were to close tomorrow - what about the people there who would lose their jobs? (around 500 directly & indirectly) - would they get any sympathy?.

How anyone can ignore a regional airport with an annual passenger throughput of almost 2m defies all logic and simply signifies the proverbial ostrich burying its head in the sand in the hope that competition will go away.
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I don't see that BHD and BFS are in serious competition with each other. One offers mass travel to the population of NI and the other offers slightly premium travel to the population in and around Belfast.

Plenty of scope for both to prosper, serve their markets and complement each other with their different strengths.

The fact is since easyJet started seriously in NI passenger figures have increased at both Aldegrove AND the City.

So in fact nobody has lost out to anyone and the travelling punter is much to benefit. Three cheers for open market competition.

I do find it quite impressive some mornings being number 4 orange tail on the ramp with one on 4 mile final, another just rotating and still another company aircraft taxiing out. Sure does feel like a lot of business taking place. Thats gotta be good for everyone in aviation - surely?

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Thanks for that - at long last a sensible post stating exactly what I've been trying to say until I am blue in the face! Unfortunately, there will still be those that have a blinkered view of true competition in the N Ireland market.
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Something of interest

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/business

Are these the talks that have been ongoing for about 5 years? And why still no decision?. Could it possibly be because of the existence of that certain other low cost carrier at BFS?

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