Cape Flying Services
 

Note to the moderator of this site:

Earlier this week I posed a non-inflamatory reply to Mr Young's libellous statements regarding his flight tuition at Cape Flying Services but this has not appeared on the site.

Is this a case of bias? Why should a response from the party being libelled not be admitted?

It is only fair that some sort of rational response to Mr Young's inaccurate rantings - many of which are figments of his imagination - should be allowed, so that anyone visiting the site can make up their own minds on the issue.

I therefore look forward to seeing my response posted on this site, as soon as possible.

Naunton Pugh

Mr. Pugh, if you click back to page 4 of this thread, you'll find your post in the middle of the page. This site strongly supports the equal submission of as many points-of-view as possible and your contribution is welcomed. The only reason that a post would be removed or altered is if it is clearly offensive or likely to bring the owner or administrator of this site into disrepute or negative legal action.

4HP

Heres the truth
 

I said some time ago I had an experience with CFS.

Upon posting this it will reveal my identify to the parties involved.

It is my request however my identity remain private. Whether this request is adhered to be the 3rd parties is to be seen.

I will first post the factual data so that you can see the full picture. I will then follow up with my own interpretation of events.

Here is how it went,

CFS-STALLER email

We have worked out the following amount as being due:

3.5 Hours Dual Flying @ R664.00 p/hr.......................................
R 2324.00

19 Days accommodation in the Crew House @ R35.00 p/day....... R 665.00

Total amount due R 2989.00

Please pay this direct into our Account

Cape Flying Services, Embank, George, South Africa. Account no :
##########. Swift Code NEDSZAJJ. Sort Code: ########

Kind regards CFS-CFI

Staller-CFS

Dear CFS-CFI,

Firstly, I would like you thank you and your team (Mirana, Gerald M, and especially Dean) for your help in my achieving a PPL. Admittedly it was not as smooth as it could have been but the result was the same. I am in receipt of your email regarding the outstanding fees and would like to notify you that I have today paid into your account a sum equivalent to 2779 rand and not 2989 rand as you calculated. The reason being that according to my brochure I was entitled to Four weeks accommodation (28days), which meant I overstayed 13 nights and not 19 as you stated, therefore I deducted 6 (days) x 35rand totalling 210rand from your total, I trust this is adequate.

I would however, like to express my dismay at being additionally charged any amount after the problems encountered during my stay, you know as well as I that a PPL in FOUR weeks during the winter months in George with 2 available aircraft is by no means possible, had I been told this before I left I would have accommodated accordingly, time wise and financially. Time aside, I believe that had I been able to continue flying ZS-NRY throughout and not convert to ZS-JLF towards the end of the course I would have completed much closer if not on 45 hours as opposed to the 48.5, which I’m sure is still no disgrace.

I have paid you the extra charges as I realize that you will hold my papers and prevent me gaining the license but I am still disappointed overall by the way that they came about.

I hope very much to return to CFS before the year is out with £3000 to spend, could you tell me what would be my best options presuming that I had not progressed past my current PPL stage.

Yours Sincerely,

The reply to this was

" if you dont like it go elsewhere" or very similar wording.

Secondly,

STALLER-NP

Dear NP,

I write to you to confirm I have returned from George on Tuesday successfully completing my JAA PPL course, I had an excellent time if not slightly lengthy but never the less I managed to achieve what I had intended.

I do however have some feedback for you, most importantly from my point of view an issue of finances. If you can recall just prior to my departure in May I spoke to you over the telephone regarding my concern of carrying a large sum, namely the £2545 outstanding balance of the course upon my person to George. My specific question to you was asking if Cape Flying Services had facilities for a VISA CARD transaction at the school, namely a CCD (CREDIT CARD DEPOSIT) machine to which you most definitely replied yes, therefore under your advice I refrained from withdrawing any sum of money other than my personal allowance.

Upon arrival at George I was greeted by a representative of CFS and taken to the school to complete the necessary paperwork, of course, in this period I was approached about payment and produced my VISA card in preparation of payment, it was then I was told by Marana the secretary that they had never had such facilities to pay directly by any card, let alone VISA, the worldwide standard card issuer. I was then left with only option of payment, which was to visit a bank and withdraw the cash and pay CFS with cash, here are the figures listed below,

05th May 2002

Nedbank exchange rate of 14.89 RAND = £1 as confirmed

VISA card withdrawal of equivalent £2545 (course price of £2895 -£350 deposit to yourself) = 379000 RAND, PAID INTO THE ACCOUNT OF CAPE FLYING SERVICES.

Therefore, I had paid the complete balance of the course £2895.

However, upon checking my account a few days later, I see the 37900 RAND withdrawal has equated to £2628.48 which is the £2545 plus additional Nedbank charges of £78:53 and VISA fee of £4:95
TOTALLING £83:48 more than I should have paid.

It is not the fact that I believe you misled me that really concerns me, it is the fact that had you advised me with the REAL situation, I would have proceeded to travel with £2545 and therefore would have incurred no charges whatsoever as that was the outstanding balance due. I have consulted with GT who advises me to conclude this issue with you, I have also spoken with Barclays Bank Ltd, whom my account is with and have evidence to confirm these figures.

I believe that it be just and fair that you refund the overcharge of £83:48 as a matter of decency and goodwill.

I hope we can resolve this matter without further issue.

Yours Sincerely

To which no settlement was ever agreed, because it became a case of neither GT OR NP accepting the blame.

Your questions are welcome, no doubt they will be of mixed thoughts!

Staller:confused: :confused:

Staller

So you paid CFS what you where quoted using your Visa Card, then charged £83:48 for the use of this service, which you want CFS or NP to pay back…that right ?

Staller please e-mail me, perhaps we can still resolve things, on the face of it this seems so silly, though I can’t remember what made me so angry.
Gerald Todd

Oh and AO said you owe him $25 as he had side bets he will not make the course but you bad people passed him :} :} :}

Eischhh life is so bad ...

PS: How is the weather - we have serious thunderstorms now and our "poor" Alouette had a booster Pump failure - first one I have ever ehard of in 25 years.

Take care.

Vivaaaa CFS :E

Yes Naughty Naughtona and Sanjo they pay me to say this ... can I send you my banking details ??? :p

Hiya Gunns

Not going to post or probably even open this site again, unfortunately it provides a medium that can be abused by any individual to discredit whoever they like with very little, if any, recourse….even some twit that wants us to pay for an international credit card transaction. I won’t disclose his name, however the only reason I can think of as to why he may not want it mentioned, is that he ripped someone else that allowed him to fly into credit, and didn’t retain the paperwork.

I have a video of the course and a watch that belongs to one of the guys, together with AO and Philip’s licence, let me know via e-mail where I should send the stuff. Perhaps I should drop it at home, I have to pop by sometime soon…………..and scotch or two might be in order :E

Gerald

posted 27th May 2004 21:53

"Staller please e-mail me, perhaps we can still resolve things, on the face of it this seems so silly, though I can’t remember what made me so angry.
Gerald Todd"

posted 29th May 2004 15:56 extract

"even some twit that wants us to pay for an international credit card transaction. I won’t disclose his name, however the only reason I can think of as to why he may not want it mentioned, is that he ripped someone else that allowed him to fly into credit, and didn’t retain the paperwork."

For all concerned my name is
Lee Gearing I have nothing to hide.

I believe Mr.Todd you have just shown your true backstabbing colours!!!!

A real life Jekyll and Hyde character!

:}

To Guns, with 1477 posts maybe it is expected that you should know better and expected to be impartial ( if you can) than to get drawn into the nuts and bolts of this particular topic or case!

There is a lot more going on with this (legal) case than has already been divulged to this forum or this thread, these matters, or certainly my side, will be fully presented to this forum when and only when the time is right and not before the legal case between myself and Mr Pugh has been concluded in due course and this case is due to be heard in Pterborough County Court on 29th June 2004.

Further, there is no legal argument or at least I can see no reason, for any party to use any comment placed within this forum to use to his advantage, other than for the good of South African aviation in general, in any legal matter either ongoing or potential future legal proceedings, either against, CFS South Africa or/ and Mr Pugh t/a CFS (Europe) as each case will be treated solely on it's own merits within the appropriate court as is the case for any democracy.

My case has or allegedly has it's own merits that will be argued upon when the time is right, irrespective of whatever comments used.

I am keenly watching, like others, with great interest the general agruments presented before this forum.


Regards,

Sandy

Hear Hear!
Well said

I seriously think Gunship and CFI-CFS are one in the same!

By your very name, Attack seems your best defence.

Mr.
Do us a favour - do NOT think your failed renewal and time on a C150, plus a ride in a Dak qualifies you to make statements on other peoples characters.

Maybe you should take note of the "Gunss" and leave well enough alone..:ouch:

Gunss - the word "Troll" springs to mind... (again). :mad:

R

A few more words spring to mind as well:mad:

Like I have said before I think this forum needs a thread where all the facts about training in South Africa are presented in an impartial fashion to prevent the knee jerk reactions most people will naturally be drawn into when reading some of the comments on here.

GT if this forum were to have a thread where impartial views on any subject were aired (just how you're going to ascertain or verify "impartial" I'm not too sure) then we'd be remiss in forgetting the true nature of this site - it's a rumour network and all views are welcome. Just don't take what you read as verbatim.

4HP

I had started writing a long response but decided after much thought to respond by using the following quote!


Regards

Sandy

Your assumptions are grossly inaccurate sonny.
 

Dear Rhodie and George Tower (are you really from the atc George???)

Spit your words out by all means!!

"Do us a favour - do NOT think your failed renewal and time on a C150, plus a ride in a Dak qualifies you to make statements on other peoples characters."

For your info my license is current and I am rated on several piston aircraft, nr, twin rt, and the DC3 rating to follow at some stage, with ATPL exams underway. I achieved this with a very reputable school in JHB.

Your absolutly right though, this doesnt qualify me to make statements on other peoples characters, it does however qualify me to share my opinions, which are being substanciated. I will keep my humble opinions of you to my self!!!


:ok:

troll
in Scandinavian folklore, an ugly manlike creature that lived in a cave or under a bridge.

Opinionated
Definition 1. having definite and unchangeable opinions, often seemingly on all subjects.

I have not spoken one word other than the truth on this forum and dont plan to either. Why should I, SA is my second home, family friends etc..

Sometimes, the truth hurts.:mad: