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carrot123

2nd Jul 2019 18:45

Tanzania single engine at night

Hi

I have heart that apparently it is illegal according to Tanzanian air law to take off in Tanzania with a single engine plane by night? Can anyone verify this? Is this also true for planes that are not registered in Tanzania? According to the air law of the country the plane is registered in, taking off at night with a single engine is legal.

Thanks

Jumbo744

3rd Jul 2019 04:21

I am not sure but I think this applies to Single-Engine Piston? I think that a single engine turbine would be legal

4runner

3rd Jul 2019 05:28

In Afrika, I found through a decade of experience that one asks for forgiveness and not permission. Tell the rote memorized controllers what you’re going to do. This is the only way to operate outside of SA.

Dan_Brown

3rd Jul 2019 07:29

Risk management

Being legal doesn't mean it's safe. When that single fan stops, one really needs to see, where to put the a/c down, with any degree of safety. Difficult on a pitch black night!

Certain routes in Africa for example, the minimum legal fuel requirements dont always give you enough fuel, considering alternates, communication, navaids or lack of etc, etc. Especially operating a heavy a/c. Less options of course. "The only time you have too much fuel on board is when you are on fire". Dont the operators just love that. 🤣

4runner

3rd Jul 2019 21:29

Thanks for the reply from someone that doesn’t fly in Africa.

Dan_Brown

3rd Jul 2019 21:48

No not anymore.

Since Rhodesia mid 70's light a/c 15 years in Africa from the top to the bottom. Ag aviation and bush flying.

Heavy a/c worldwide including most countries in Africa. (North, South, East and west.)

20k + TT. Don't assume anything. It makes an ass of yoU and me.

So considering the above I think I have the experience to contribute to discussions on matters of safety for example. No I don't know all the answers.

smellytailwind

5th Jul 2019 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrot123 (Post 10508052)

Yes that's correct, single engine aircraft are not permitted to fly within TZ FIR at night. Applies to single engine turbine as well.

B2N2	5th Jul 2019 19:38

Standing by to be corrected but I was under the impression that under ICOA the rules of the “host” country prevail over the rules of the “registration” country.
Aka the stricter one always overrules.

carrot123

6th Jul 2019 07:59

Thanks everyone!

abezzi

7th Jul 2019 08:33

Flew to Dar a couple of months ago for a Medevac flight, we went to pick up a patient to take him to Joburg, with a PC12; landed at 22:00 and when I went to Flight Briefing office to pay the fees and file the outbound FP I was told that I have to wait until sunrise to leave...I then asked why I was granted permission to enter their airspace with a SET at night, so they call the Airport Safety Manager and she sent us an email after 15' granting permission for our departure as soon as possible because of Medevac flight...

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