RwandAir info please
Hi There
Anybody have any info on RwandAir direct entry command please? salaries, roster, general conditions and anything else you can add.. Many thanks |
Why so little talk if any regarding Rwandair?
They're expanding their fleets, advertising all over for crew yet very little information given on salaries, contract types etc. Also Kigali is supposed to be one of the safest /cleanest cities too to live in. |
Kigali is comparable to most European cities in terms of cleanliness. In my opinion it out-strips any city in the U.S. you would have to look hard to find a piece of paper or plastic bottle in the streets.
Kigali is clean and safe. Have no idea about Rwandair though. |
Kigali is a great city, I love it.
Excellent nightlife, vibrant social scene and easily comparable to any European city in my opinion. Very safe and very clean as stated. But also very expensive. |
Rwandair
Got offer of 8000 us bill trough agency ( commander B738):=
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that's so laughable - it is not even funny. Yes, Kigali, is vibrant. . But that pay are for serious plebes.
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And I'm told 8 weeks on 3 off :=
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info on B737NG FO average take home pay please ?
same here, got an offer via agency 8 on 3 off. do they respect this in reality ? insider info very much appreciated. tnx a bunch |
I think last time..FO is half of captain.. around 4400Usd plus housing of 1300usd.. free hotel for 1st mth.
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8 on 3 off has been going on for ages, I even had it out with the respective agencies that it's not great....and more importantly the pay is pro rata, so no pay on your off days...and they wonder why they're alway advertising for crew
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The current regime probably doesn’t help either. It WAS a good gig. They have a lot of West Africans from Arik Air. Not enough I guess.
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ANyone has information about the interview and sim etc.
yes I know, the problem about the pay etc, just need to stay current. I think Rwandair is better than Fly Baghdad.. that I was offered. |
Have couple of friends flying for them, no complains. In my opinion not only better than Fly Baghdad but better place to work than many companies in africa (royal air maroc, ethiopian, air cote d'ivoire, asky, air mauritania,...)
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Originally Posted by italian stallion
(Post 10023556)
8 on 3 off has been going on for ages, I even had it out with the respective agencies that it's not great....and more importantly the pay is pro rata, so no pay on your off days...and they wonder why they're alway advertising for crew
Originally Posted by Iznogood
(Post 10038009)
Have couple of friends flying for them, no complains. In my opinion not only better than Fly Baghdad but better place to work than many companies in africa (royal air maroc, ethiopian, air cote d'ivoire, asky, air mauritania,...)
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A friend of mine previously with rwandair is flying for fz now, he wants to come back. Another one flying is asia on Q400 said he misses rwandair. I know also three 737 skippers all expat, none of them plan to leave...that's all I know.
There are maybe some aspects that I do not know if you can share. |
Pay peanuts, you get monkeys
Rwanda Air Management is not the only problem, their preferred agency, Rishworth is worthless to say the least.
When based in Kigali you are at least seven to nine hours commute if based in Europe; U.S.A basing is out of the question, likewise for those who sympathize with slavery from Asia-Pacific. Kigali maybe a clean city, but like Singapore, it is expensive and Rwanda is still sorting out insurgents in the West with D.R.C. Their route network is dull, hard to make extra time per month, Scheduling is a mess, and most of locals work under pressure, pretty much under the concept of a communist military regime. Rwanda pilots do not know about this forum, it maybe sensored if they get to know who is leaking the truth, I am simply passing this info from trusted sources within, I am safe in Togo. |
Appreciate the very informative feedback! :ok:
I have read nothing but negative comments about Rishworth Aviation and PARC/CAE, they both are useless as "t**s on a bull", so to speak!:ugh: Why do Overseas Airlines, not have their own HR/Hiring departments, like in the USA and some other countries? Be great, if anyone would like to chime in on it, (hopefully an educated one)! |
IZAD
Can you shed some light about your airline in Togo please? How is the recruitment process and the T&C? Is the company and country stable? Thanks in advance! |
Capt.Tentacles
Because they would have to pay your local tax and wouldn’t get kickbacks from recruiters... |
Dont Even think about it.
IZAD
Your right on the money.Management are all former Army and treat the subordinates terrible. Moral is low,no time duty limitations so,dont even try to complain or you'll be standing tall to the man. The first day you arrive there you're already applying somewhere else. Q400 is short of pilots and you'll fly well past your personal limitations. Don't even think twice about RAL. You've been warned. |
What routes do the Q4s fly...what are the rosters like...how does this airline Q4 op compare to others in Africa in terms of pay...?
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Originally Posted by Keld
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What routes do the Q4s fly...what are the rosters like...how does this airline Q4 op compare to others in Africa in terms of pay...?
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Hi!!!
Any insider at the moment? Is it worthwhile to apply? Many thanks!!! |
Bumping this thread - any current info is highly appreciated. More interested in work climate and potential for upgrade than financial situation. Am looking to relocate as my fiancé could find work in Kigali.
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Rishworth and Spectrum are the two brokers working with RwandAir.
ALWAYS do your assessment with Spectrum. Rishworth will do nothing for you after you have been hired. |
Originally Posted by Mike_Harrison
(Post 10787872)
Rishworth and Spectrum are the two brokers working with RwandAir.
ALWAYS do your assessment with Spectrum. Rishworth will do nothing for you after you have been hired. |
WB only operating 330 flights that are repatriating, charter or cargo.
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Here’s an “improvement” to suit the company. There’s a FB group called “Kigalilife” where you can see what you get for $600 housing allowance and the $200 for transport. There’s a 50-200% duty on Cars. Rumor is that the Nigerian pilots showed them an Arik contract to make themselves look good to management and get rid of the non Africans. Maybe a Rishworth contract is a better bet. They’re not operating for another 2 months too. Call the CP for any questions or concerns. He’s a nice, reasonable guy. He won’t stab you in the back or give you HIV. JK, he’ll do both. His name is Marcel.
Ammendment to contract: 1. Introduction of 45 days annual leave vs commuting. 2. The 45 days can be broken into 2 in the year. 3. To be reviewed after a year 4. Facilitated to travel within the network 5. Travel allowance for the remainder of the journey 6. Accomodation and transport allowance $600 + $200. 7. Company negotiating with car dealers to get deals to lease or buy 8. Global health insurance cover for whole WB community 9. Overtime after 100hrs 10. New pilots 50% of salary, after training and clear online full salary 11. Pilot bond 12. All instructors given a flat fee allowance |
This company is crap. In all aspects possible. I flew for them until the end of 2018. They have No respect for the pilots. They fly with spies (army marshals).
The schedule changes daily, they can call you 2 hours before a flight asking for you to fly. The Management is full of idiots, from the top management (army guys), until DFO, chief pilot, and the fleet managers. There are only 2 good fleet managers, the B737 and on the CRJ. I heard deputy ceo came to the home of one pilot, and asked the guy to fly, because he was on a day off and wasn’t answering his cellphone. Is that normal in other companies? No way. There are no benefits for the family as tickets. You go to kigali to fly without knowing when you will come home for your commute. Now without the commuting I bet they gonna lose 60% of the pilots as soon as the covid crises finish. Nobody wants to live in Kigali. Ok, it is clean, and organized, but it is a expensive city, with nothing to do. And again, the company is very badly organized, they dont consider day off as day off. They will call you to fly for sure. No 12h of rest between flights. In the 737, the simulator is a joke. Each 4 hours of sim, they spend 3:30 for the captain, and 00:30 for the FO. I was feeling terrible for my FO at the sim section. |
I can confirm the above. It USED to be a good job until the Thpanith under DFO Ricardo Naval ruined it. It was further destroyed by current flight ops management. CEO used to have an open door policy and built what you have today. He’s gone and been replaced by “yes Men/Women”. Air Marshals do report to government. Crew have been arrested upon landing in Kigali for “infractions” that occurred while outside Rwanda. Infractions have been noise complaint from hotel. Jail. Ditto on the 737 Fleet Manager. He’s one of ze best. In the world. He keeps the airline going. The Chief Pilot will call in “sick”. The company will show up unannounced to pick you up on your 12th day of duty, on your day off, 6 hours after you land from the night before for a “surprise” flight that the CP called in sick for. The CP’s car is suspiciously at the club at 0600 as you are driven to work on day 12 of no off days. The fight you’re operating was the CP, Marcel’s...
“Crew Scheduling” is one girl that is bitter, resentful and will purposely schedule you to fly, last minute on days off you requested If she knows you have plans. You’ll never be able to go anywhere in Africa. If you want to travel non-rev, you’ll have to spend a day in the office getting “permission” and multiple forms signed. If you’re Rwandan, this is easy. Foreigners always had issues as staff would make problems, refuse to sign or disappear. In 3 years, I was able to use my flight benefits once. The other time, I bought a ticket on kenya airways. It’s probably ok if you need a job and sign with a contractor. Like I said in previous posts, it was a great job, great company and great country. Too bad they ruined it. |
With the corona crises, I heard fleet managers disappeared.
The company changed the contract to their liking and put the pilots on unpaid leave until further notice. Basically, Rwandair pilots are the cheapest on the planet. They cost the company zero dollars, because they are not paying anything. Even the house allowance was thrashed to zero. People have been paying rent in kigali since March from their own pocket. There is Zero support from the company. Someone from the management sent an e-mail with “a solution” for the pilots that were on their commute when the flights came to a stop. He requested the pilot to make an inventory of the belongings that were in their Kigali home, to then send a total stranger to collect everything to be supposedly kept in a storage somewhere. You can imagine an unknown person collecting your personal belongings. I have never heard any proposal as ridiculous and disrespectful as this from any another company in the world. This is crazy. From the time that I spent there, the only thing that I like to remember was the salary, and other expats. The flight crew were very rude. Normally they would come in to the cockpit, and stay speaking in local language (kiniarwanda), which isn’t very safe. If is there were to be any problem in the airplane you will not understand nothing. Rwanda Air is a very complicated company to fly for, because it is still young (compared with other companies) but they don’t seek excellence. A lot of important things are not in the books. The manuals are just copy paste from another companies manuals. There are no authentic ideas. Guys there are praying for Qatar to come as soon as possible to kick out the managers and solve the persisting problems. The per diems are paid 2 months after. The guys on 330 normally do 2 weeks rotation in China/India paying themselves for the food at the hotel. You can burn 1.000 dollars to eat 2 full meals in the hotel for 2 weeks. Not normal. The 737 has a virtual base in Cotonou. 2 weeks there, in an apartment rented by the company. Not even a hotel. We dont need a luxury place to sleep, but dont put the crew in an apartment somewhere. Not nice. |
the apartment and hotels in west Africa had their deals “negotiated” by handshakes including dollar bills. The president of the country needs to run this company. He’s solid.
the house owners are keeping cars and belongings hostage until rents are paid. Most house contracts require an employment contract. The manuals were originally written by the Greeks. Then the Spanish cut and pasted from some defunct Spanish charter airline. Then they didn’t tell anyone that SOP’s and call outs changed. Then they line checked everyone they didn’t like and failed them. It might be interesting to see how this plays out. |
The time that I spent there, was a authentic mess. The 737 is a good and solid airplane, and this is the unique reason because I think you never heard a crash report in Rwandair, because the training was so poor. You dont need to put all the pilots like machines, but at least help to all the guys to be in the same page. That is not hard.
The last straw for me, was the schedule, the lady is a nice lady, but competence is not her thing. She was a flight attendants, nothing against the flight attendants, but to work with roster you need to be qualified like that. I cant say I am a soccer coach, if I am not one. |
My friend from Uganda told there are 15 pilots coming from Kigali. 10 for the CRJ and 5 for A330NEO. Rwandair losing pilots for not respecting contracts. The crew is not getting even per diem because the deputy CEO decide is not necessary. Terrible.
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A bunch of pilot leaving Rwandair.
As usual nobody respect contracts, and the company is managed by a short military dictator, that still thinks he is on army. Pilots are facing hard times to go home, on the 737 a lot of guys flying 100/110 hours per month. Wife's are asking divorce. Those that were brave enough to bring family to kigali are not spending time at home. Those with family outside are going home each 5 or 6 months. Some pilots on 330 went home after 11 months. This company is a shame. Completely |
The Chief Pilot was invited to resign from the position. He was one of the most rude CP I ever saw in my life. Very unfair, and all the time asking people to do ilegal stuffs.
The company right now is a truck uncontrolled coming down a hill. No management, no training, I mean really no training. The simulator as usual is just to tick boxes, some instructors dont know the airplane and confuse SOP’s from CRJ to 737, and 737 to A330. |
what illegal stuff he asked people to do ? Who is the new management?
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I heard he asks pilots to fly far over the limit journey hours per day regulary.
The CRJ over run last march is a perfect example of it. The crew arrived and was requested to do two more legs nairobi entebbe (illegally) and were fatigued, over the journey time regulamentar. But in our continent everything is allowed, we are not professionals enough to say no, I will not do something ilegal. The problem with Rwandair, is related with lack of knowledge, a lot of ego, lack of professionalism and people without brains on the management. They are very amateurs. |
The big issue in Rwandair is how they deal with people. There is no respect. They are not prepared for the normal situation, you can imagine with abnormal. As any flag carrier 99% of the workers are public employees, and they dont care if the airplane dont has charts to do a flight to Rome, or if one airplane is grounded in Cotonu because somebody in the company didnt paid the fuel. If its weekend or after 5pm you are by yourself. The company only works from 9am to 5pm monday to friday. Its a office from the government. One indication of that is the military in the top management, taking decisions like nowhere. You will not see any military in the head office of emirates or air france. Once I was on a flight to Lagos and my FO (local) told me that on the management way of thinking, there is no day off or vacation, you are available (reserve and stand by) 30 days per month, 365 days on the year, and for the locals if you refuse to do a flight on your day off they will put you in the jail. During the covid crises, 2 of the Airbus pilots got covid, the police came to their home to put gps bracelets on their legs, like criminals. Its crazy.
Local people need authorization to do a passport and travel abroad, basically you need a visa to leave the country. For expats is very comum when you are traveling the immigrations guys in Kigali asking where are you going, the reason of your trip, and when you gonna come back. A Greek friend from UN once got a hot discussion with the immigration guy, because this is personal details. I dont need to inform the reason why I will leave any country. Its my life. My 2 cents. |
Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider737
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Kigali is comparable to most European cities in terms of cleanliness. In my opinion it out-strips any city in the U.S. you would have to look hard to find a piece of paper or plastic bottle in the streets.
Kigali is clean and safe. Have no idea about Rwandair though. There is nothing to do in Kigali. The biggest shopping mall is representative of what the city has now to offer, which is not much. The city is clean, it is very safe, but besides that, was is there to do there? I can tell you: nothing! Not even the Africans from neighbouring countries are willing to live there without the commuting contract. |
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