Originally Posted by ZFT
(Post 8228595)
The obvious answer to this 'problem' is of course 3 man flight deck crews, but of course that will not or can't happen for a multitude of reasons.
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This overlooks the way things are done in Africa. It is for a reason that LAM (and I believe TAAG and many other African airlines) are banned from EU airspace.
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...prevent something like this from happening again |
Not new
190Warrior One of the earliest examples in living memory was Egypt Air Flight 990
EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
Originally Posted by GobonaStick
Easier said.
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You have to be realistic and not dreaming of impossible scenarios has to counteract this kind of action
There are people who commit suicide properly (they kill themself only) and others by example open the gas committing suicide and kill all the other inhabitants of the building When a person mentally disturbed wants to kill herself she will at all times and eliminate those that would prevent her action The second pilot shall be on the flightdeck and been neutralized by the other crazy pilot (stabbing is easy) It was just an exeptional event ... and no rules will change because that |
The Namibian police this week identified nine bodies, after examining 609 human remains recovered from the site of the Mozambique plane crash.
- See more at: The Namibian - Pilot to blame for Mozambican plane crash (News | Namibia) |
My point was that even less can be done once airborne and said individual is sitting strapped in at either of the front seats. Even from the jump seat there are several things one can do to cause unrecoverable out-of control at a critical phase of flight. You would have to have quite a few people in the cockpit who would actually have to overpower the suicidal pilot to prevent such accidents. Another pilot is not enough. |
Agreed that a pilot determined to crash can likely accomplish it with somebody in the adjacent seat; however, there's certain psychological barriers when there's somebody you know sitting next to you and putting up a racket -- and likely taking a whack at you with whatever comes to hand.
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So according to that portuguese "rumor" which was mostly ignored here, the pilot's son committed suicide, he tried the same, and his wife left him, then he crashed the plane. As the rumor apparently got the latter part mostly right, maybe they are right about the preconditions: This sounds like dumb HR, a management issue and not a cabin lock issue.
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One of the earliest examples in living memory was Egypt Air Flight 990 Seiji Katagiri | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers |
What kind of a degenerate has to take another 32 innocent lives with him to commit suicide.
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What kind of a degenerate it is that which appears in the means of transport .. this kind of suicide causing innocent victims happens more often in civil aviation ..than in road transport (coach) or railroad !! |
jcjeant:
I dunno ... it is that which appears in the means of transport .. this kind of suicide causing innocent victims happens more often in civil aviation ..than in road transport (coach) or railroad !! |
Silk Air 185 Helios 522? Egypt 990? |
I do not think suicidal pilots would do this if they could do this without passengers. Even As crazy as they are they would rather do a solo flight.
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What kind of a degenerate?
What kind of a degenerate has to take another 32 innocent lives with him to commit suicide. Or plants a bomb aboard a plane, on which his mother is a passenger, to collect insurance money? (UAL 629) Attacks the flight crew with a hammer (FedEx 705) -- or shoots the pilots (PAL 773) -- hoping to crash the plane and make it look like an accident so his family will collect life insurance? Or suicidal and seeking revenge on his former supervisor and employer, shoots that supervisor and the pilots, crashing the plane? (PSA 1771) No shortage of such degenerates here in the good old USA. |
Call it what it is: murder.
In defence of the locked flight deck door, it contributed to the safe return of QF1737 when a delusional passenger attempted a mass murder/suicide.
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Passenger 389
Well said ! |
Now the Helios crash in Greece was suicide? Are you people ok?
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