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Redsteel 18th Oct 2011 14:42

PM now fly's for Mack Air

Rico 25 18th Oct 2011 18:06

Thanks Redsteel- looked at company website but PM was still shown as one of Moremi's pilots.

Foxcotte 19th Oct 2011 10:04

Following this thread and elsewhere on the web, I am absolutely gutted by the news about Martin. As mentioned earlier, he was one of my check pilots in the Van, and I cannot get my brains around how a steady, conservative, careful, and thoroughly experienced professional pilot like Martin could have crashed and been killed in such a tragic way.

There are so many other idiots that fly badly, take risks, don't care, break the rules, cut corners and generally push right up against their mortality and still get away with it. It is not right and not fair that Martin, who did none of the above ended up being killed so awfully, and these others still get away with it day after day. If I believed in a higher authority, it would be very very hard to make sense of their actions on this day.

I liked and very much respected Martin. He was a good man and a good pilot. I am honoured to have known him, and even more honoured that he trained me. Whenever I fly a Van in the future, I will remember him. You are missed Martin, and from all his friends and colleagues in Kenya our hearts and sympathy to Clare and Tanisha.

Exascot 19th Oct 2011 10:12

Second Plane Crash In A Week In Botswana's Okavango Delta | Fox News

Pleased to see that everyone walked away from this one.

The Ancient Geek 19th Oct 2011 10:52

Could there be a common factor here ?

It is many years ago now but I recall that some strips could turn to deep mud after rain and make it difficult to accelerate for takeoff.

OTOH, I have no idea what the conditions there are now so they could be in a drought with no hope of rain.

woodi 19th Oct 2011 15:54

oompilot - that "quote" you posted was from a 2009 article - different chief pilot. :D

Rico 25 19th Oct 2011 18:53

Fox News article-since when did Delta Air start fitting turboprop engines to their Cessna 206s ?:ugh: Or else it was a Cessna 208 Caravan-can someone clarify the details please?

skwinty 19th Oct 2011 19:07

A2-AID

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety WikiBase > Geographical regions index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results


This database also says turbo prop but they should have said turbo charged.

A2-AID Cessna | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Juliet-Echo 19th Oct 2011 19:41

My first flying job was in Maun. I replaced Martin after he had resigned to go to Delta Air, flying A2-AJE (hence my username). I knew him and his wife (then girlfriend). 10 years later I now work for Youknowwho in the sandpit and had planned to meet up with Martin on one of my Nairobi flights but sadly we seemed to keep missing each other. He is a friend on my Facebook and was down as a "YES" to attend the Maun pilots 1998-2000 reunion in Macau. What a shock!! My deepest sympathies to his family. I'm sure we will all be charging our glasses for him at the reunion next year.

Rico 25 19th Oct 2011 20:02

Skwinty-in regards to A2-AID and all the other C206s in Botswana; as far as I know none of them have turbocharged piston engines (naturally aspirated) but C206s in Namibia were commonly fitted with turbochargers due to higher elevation.

Foxcotte 21st Oct 2011 06:29

Martin's Memorial
 
I have an important message from Martin's family regarding the wake that was tentatively planned for this Saturday.

In view of the scale of the tragedy, and that the bodies are still being held for identification, any memorial for Martin and the other victims of this tragedy is being temporarily postponed. A wake will definitely be held, but not just yet. This applies to the Maun/Botswana flying community more than us in Kenya, so please spread the message that nothing is happening for this Saturday, but they will let you know when/where it will be held.

Tango24 19th Nov 2011 03:07

Heard that a 9th passenger passed away from complications due to the burns.
Tragic.
I am surprised to see how well Moremi Air have kept quiet about the other 5 accidents that have happened over the last three years.
This one brings the total to 6.

How are they still operating?

lilflyboy262...2 19th Nov 2011 14:26

Thats because there hasn't been 5 others in the past 3 years.

AFE, PPL, KWA (or was it LEB?)
DOG was longer than 3 years ago.

The last fatal one was a lot longer than that.

Tango24 23rd Nov 2011 10:09

DOG - Nov 2008 as per post on Pprune. hmmm 3 years by my calculation.
AEI?

Either way, somethings up and not quite right. Training? Management? Bad luck?
Hope it gets sorted.

lilflyboy262...2 23rd Nov 2011 10:41

Seems my memory is a little off :oh:

I have a theory as to why PPL and KWA were kept quiet. You seem to be in the know so you probably know what I'm talking about.

AEI didn't crash. Just had an off field landing :E


Some have been pilot error, some have been bad luck.

MWOMP 23rd Nov 2011 17:53

This is the 4th total aircraft write-off in 14 months for Moremi Air.
AFE - Aug 2010
PPL - Nov 2010
KWA - Jan 2011
and now AKD - Oct 2011

In addition to which, there was DOG in Nov 2008 (also a write-off) and AEI 1 month prior to AKD, AEI could have been more than an "off field landing" had there not been a road in the area.
The fact that AKD is the first fatality in many years is no excuse. Why is this operator still flying??

Rico 25 23rd Nov 2011 20:59

Moremi Air seems to be having a lot more incidents/ accidents than other operators in Maun, and yes I was flying a C206 around the Delta at the same time that A2-DOG was destroyed. Nothing much seems to have changed since then and few lessons have been learnt.:(

What does concern me is the reliability of the Pratt & Witney PT6 engine and the rate of recent engine failures on the Cessna 208 Caravan. I think this year Mack Air had an engine failure on takeoff out of Piajio in January and about 3 years ago Sefofane also had a problem on the takeoff roll but stopped in time.

Does anyone have any background knowledge on the PT6 powerplant and know of any problems they have experienced in the past ie A.D.s etc. ?

Regards,

Rico

Fuzzy Lager 23rd Nov 2011 23:42

I believe there is a question as to whether there was any component failure in the engine involved in this tragedy. It seems the cause of the power loss may be external to the engine itself.

The Ancient Geek 24th Nov 2011 01:21

One of the prime causes of premature PT6 failures is pilot error.
The inertial separator MUST be used where there is any danger of dust or sand being ingested. Yes I know, it saps some power, but that is the price of operating in hostile conditions.

The PT6 is one of the most reliable engines ever built but any mechanical contrivance can be damaged by abuse and neglect.

V1... Ooops 24th Nov 2011 04:30

Rico:

The PT6 series of engines has been around for over 40 years now, and there are tens of thousands of these engines in service on many different types of aircraft.

If you think that the engine is an area of concern in the various accidents and incidents that you have enumerated, I think it would be more appropriate for you to narrow your focus and look at what 'common factors' these incidents have in common. For example, environmental conditions (e.g. hot & high, or salinity), maintenance practices, and even perhaps whether or not the same overhaul facility (not to mention the same regulatory authority providing oversight and control of the maintenance practices) was involved with all of these engines.

I'm not suggesting that this engine is flawless, instead, I am saying that you are taking too wide a view by just 'looking at the engine'. You need to investigate further and determine what other factors (related to engine operations) these accidents and incidents have in common.

Michael


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