Senegal airlines a320 crash in bamako
 

Just have an infos

senegal airlines overrun the rwy in bamako after a long landing

**** man already? They just barely got started!
Tu sais si c'est grave? Pas terrible pour l'avenir de cette si jeune compagnie.

Ben au fait un ami a vu l'avion a bamako, il a fait une belle sortie de piste sur 80 metre!

Translation

a friend saw the plane in Bamako, he has a great track output on 80 meters beyond the rwy!

Le Figaro - Flash Actu : Sorti de piste d'un avion Bamako


Un avion de Senegal Airlines fait une sortie de piste à Bamako | WADR

Oui j'ai lu l'article. C'est quand même étonnant que le train d'atterissage n'ai pas été endommagé après une telle sortie de piste. Bizarre, mais tant mieux.

Oui, cest quand meme dommage,

il ny a pas d'explications sur les causes techniques!!!!

Sn a Bamako
 

Les observations fournies par les tours de controle sont fiables.Quand ils annoncent TSRA , cette information indique qu'ils ont un Cb dans leur rayon de vue .Le radar a bord sert peut etre a quelque chose si on l'utilise correctement et decider ou non de l'approche

Demander a la tour s'il pleut sur la station et l'etat de la piste leve tout equivoque quand a la conduite a tenir. Aucune meteo ne peut justifier que l'on se pose au milieu d'une piste. Il existe un point de toucher des roues

La compagnie a du etablir des fenetres de stabilisation pour la finale .Si on n'est pas dans ces fenetres !!!! GO AROUND

J'ai pas pu voir s'ils tentaient une approche en ILS sur la 06 ou en VOR DME sur la 24 des infos?

metar de BKO au moment de l'incident

GABS 110930Z VRB01KT 9999 TS -RA FEW020 SCT030CB OVC100 23/23 Q1016 NOSIG

:confused:

Effectivement ils ont du ne pas du bien gerer leur altitude avec le D.M.E., et au vu de l'atterissage au bout de 1300 m de piste je dirai qu'ils ont du passer le seuil à 250 feet AGL. La piste de Bamako a étée rallongée récemmment de 2706 à 3180m donc en tant normal ils auraient quand même pu s'arrêter. Mais il ya le fait que l'avion était quasi plein et la piste mouillée. Et rien ne précise si le freinage automatique était sur LO MED ou HI, si les reversers ont bien fonctionné, et si la vitesse d'approche n'était pas trop élevée.
La question demeure donc, pourquoi ne pas avoir fait une remise des gaz???

Your language is beautiful and you are exceptionally talented, however it is still not the largest language in the world and therefore more people do speak English, therefore please write in it.

Oh come on you guys! No problem I'll translate what I just said.

Effectivement ils ont du ne pas du bien gerer leur altitude avec le D.M.E., et au vu de l'atterissage au bout de 1300 m de piste je dirai qu'ils ont du passer le seuil à 250 feet AGL. La piste de Bamako a étée rallongée récemmment de 2706 à 3180m donc en tant normal ils auraient quand même pu s'arrêter. Mais il ya le fait que l'avion était quasi plein et la piste mouillée. Et rien ne précise si le freinage automatique était sur LO MED ou HI, si les reversers ont bien fonctionné, et si la vitesse d'approche n'était pas trop élevée.
La question demeure donc, pourquoi ne pas avoir fait une remise des gaz???

In fact they must have mismanaged their altitude while doing their V.O.R. D.M.E. approach judgng from the fact that they landed over 4000 feet beyond runway theshold. The said runway which has been extende from 8000 to 10000 feet could in theory accomodate such a landing way beyong TDZ. But when you factor in a probable heavy landing weight plus slippery runway, it get can get dangerous. Besides, we do not know (at least yet) if the approach speed was too high, nor if the automatic breaking was on LO MED or HI, and if the reversers were activated.

The question still remains; why didn't they go around??

Senegal airlines
 

they just don't know ****
no sim check,no interview,most of the pilot dont understand english:ugh:
i remember one day they were clear at 11000ft for traffic separation and we were clear at 10000ft"so the tower was like "senegal 5 traffic at 1000ft below clear level,and one of the pilot was like"whats the altitude of the other traffic"
im like wtf:eek:

LMAO
 

Nooo man you've gotta be kidding me! Any idea were those pilots are from?

pilots in question
 

According to my source, and it's a good one, the pilots in question were the chief pilot and an experienced f/o. No names.

A number of my colleagues fly into GABS and according to them the ILS for runway 06 brings you in higher than your normal 3 degree slope. Do we know what runway they were using? 06 or 24? I suppose that's no excuse for touching down halfway down the runway but i can imagine if you're coming in a little bit too fast and too high, and with the runway being wet it could cause some problems.

I'm based in Dakar and get to hear and see Senegal Airlines operate in and out of Dakar everyday. They seem pretty professional to me, based on what i've heard over the radio.

Just my 2c worth! ;)

Thanks parisflyer for some nice insight hope we get to know why it happened, even though usually in Africa, investigations are not carried out all the way...

S.A.
 

Most of the Senegal Airlines pilots are former Air Afrique Pilots (Captains and Instructors inclueded), flying worldwide on DC8, DC10, A300B4, A300B6, A310, A330, they also flew with Air Senegal International on B737-700 on international routes.

They are very experienced (more than 9000 hours of flight on jets) and have a strong knowledge in English (ICAO Level 4).

Before being recruited by Senegal Airlines, they went thru interviews (Emirats Airways) and SIM Checks (Ethiopian Airlines A320 Simulator), their SIM checks are up to date.

Just wait for investigations to know what went wrong at GABS.
FYI: I use to fly with those guys when I was at Air Afrique too.

Clearly, in all that accumulated experience and hours they missed the lesson on 'when to go around' was missed.

You guys in the less developed aviation world have got to learn that there is no, I repeat no, problem in going-around; there is no place or any prizes for macho heroics and 'get in at any price' mentalities.

thank you for the lesson chief pilot

exrk
 

i love your comments defending our fellows ex rk except you claim ethiopian airline is using A320 sim, I doubt
Else RK was the best of west Africa but now talking about Senegal airlines, there is no matching criteria:hmm:

Avogadro
 

You're right Avogadro, My Mistake. The SIM at Ethiopian was a B737 SIM, the one for the A320 type rating was at Emirates...Sorry.

Avogrado good point I was just about to raise it before I saw your post.
Judge11 I think you are judging our "less developped aviation" too quickly. Mistakes of not going around have nothing to do with whatever area of the world you're flying. Did American airlines 737 go around in Kingston? Did Air France A 340 go around in Toronto? No. They were flown by supposedly very experienced pilots from the more developped world, some ex army guys, some from a very reputed school called ENAC. Still, they broke both planes, which were then written off. (Senegal Airlines did not damage theirs). There were nevertheless similarities in these crashes; bad weather, heavy rainfall or snowfall, therefore contaminated runway, but also touchdown way beyond TDZ, reversers not deployed sufficiently fast enough, etc.

No forever , same causes for an air landing crash. BKO ILS is regularly checked by the technical aircraft of Asecna following the other Asecna airports. Air Senegal Pilots have a great experience. The majority come from Air Afrique . Air Afrique had a very good performance regards to the security. All flights were analyzed with the SFIM and the corrective measures immediately implemented going until the retrogression of the Commander. This company, during its 40 years knew some incident like any company. We heard about a severe tail strike in Johannesburg with the same captain . However, this company has ceased its flights for 10 years. Pilots everywhere, working in some companies without any control, having new personal experiences and completely missing CRM with a no known aircraft for all. Oh! , I have 10.000 hours of flight, one knows Bamako, one knows the line, etc.
Maybe a new Habshein ? will see after investigation , if !!!!!!

papsifo - I made that post for two reasons: the first is because of the never ending sequence of reports of overruns that are happening in Asia and Africa (NA and Europe aren't immune but you are top of the charts by any measure) because of the reluctance to throw away the approach and the second is the still prevalent trait in many parts (which has been largely expunged in NA and Europe) of FOs failing to challenge the captain's authority. What on earth was the FO doing, or saying, as the aircraft drifted 4000' feet down the runway- not is his job, that's for sure. I realise a major culture change is required but it's either that or keep the body bag suppliers in business.

Zepekinio, so this is the only "what you eared on the radio" fact you have to assess the knowledge of this company crew members.You are an interesting guy.English is not the native language there, ok. But they all have their minimum level 4 requirements and are experienced pilots.Stop lying saying that there is no sim check as they are done in Tunis. According to your previous posts, it seems that you tried to pick up some info on this company but apparently unsuccessfully for you. Are you a frustrated guy flying around?
you said. Please call your friends again to say what you think.Probably you think that they can't read you here as they don't know english huh?

Parisflyer, this is wrong i'm afraid.

Judge 11, if you're a so highly experienced pilot,try to show it. Ok you're the Judge, but don't judge too quickly before having all the details of this accident. At what point they lost the control during the landing phase, we don't know yet. Maybe you're right, maybe not.

Drama queen... :E

judge 11

i think some stats would be needed to back your arguments.

on the top of my head i can remember air france accident in toronto and american airlines accident in kingston . may be those pilots were from less developped world .

I do agree that in africa which i am familiar with accident record is very poor

however the kind of comments you made are not making any valid point for me .

In order to analize overruns pilot culture is not enough you should compare infrastructure (runway length, EPAS etc ) as well and weather in order to come up with something more solid .

Senegal a320 bamako pics
 

Hi All,

ive the pics of the evacuation of the A320, that was taken on the moment the airplane was evacuating, but i dont know how to put it here or to post it


cest dommage, c'est un bel appareil!!!!

bamako
 

Let us talk facts :

English level 4 is lowest grade for English level with which an pilot can fly as we know below that level your ATPL will not be renewed , there are level 5 and level 6 which are a bit stronger then level 4 .

Number of hours in log book does not guarantee safe operation if you dig in past crash accident data most of pilots involved had a lot of hours .

Pilots flying that aircraft where low experianced on A320 means less then 500 h on type for sure .

It was not a crash but an runway overrun from which all PAX left airplane safe .

Senegal Airlines has some very good pilot's and worldwide experianced but at same time has majority pilot's who never flown A320 or are very inexperianced on A320 .

Question we should ask are :

Was approach stabelised ?
maybe

Why there was no MED autobrake selection on wet runway of 1200 ft elevation with tailwind on 2700 m runway on max landing weight ?

At which altitude was threshold overflown ?
If it was high why no one called for missed approach procedure ?

Is that a first incidednt of that crew ?

Did safety office ever call any pilot into office for braking any rules ?

Was landing long or in touch down zone ?

When you know answers on this question then you can know reason fwhy overrun happen and then you can take corrective action to prevent it .

By the end we are all human and it can happen to anyone

Bad decision. They should have stuck with the Boeings just like everyone else down here!

Mali: Atterrissage hors piste d'un avion de Sénégal Airlines . L'adresse et la lucidité du pilote remises en cause, les nigériens toujours bloqués à Bamako .

http://www.afriquemonde.org/UserFile..._horspiste.jpg Bamako - Le pire a été évité de justesse. Le vol DN003 de la compagnie aérienne Sénégal Airlines a raté son atterrissage hier à l’aéroport de Bamako-Senou. Au lieu de poser l’appareil sur la piste, le pilote a fait une sortie de piste et s’est tout simplement dirigé vers la boue. Pour cause, l’aviateur a commencé son atterrissage au milieu de la piste, renseigne Alioune Badara Sall, un des passagers. Il trouve que c’est ‘un signe de maladresse ou un manque de lucidité’ de la part du pilote.
Il n’y a pas eu de blessés ni de dégâts matériels mais le passager déplore cet incident.
L’incident a eu lieu à 09 heures 40 minutes. Il serait dû à ‘des conditions météorologiques dégradées rendant la piste glissante’, selon un communiqué de Sénégal Airlines. Tout sera mis en œuvre pour ‘faciliter la reprise du programme des vols dans les meilleurs délais’, informe la même source.
Cette version des faits est battue en brèche par les autorités aéroportuaires maliennes. Selon la directrice de l'Agence nationale de l'aviation civile (ANAC) Mme Sanogo Téné Issabéré, "les conditions météorologiques ne sont pas en cause, beaucoup d'avions du même type ont atterri à Senou et n'ont pas connu le même problème. Nous croyons que l'incident est surtout dû à des problèmes techniques ou à des erreurs de pilotage. L'avion a atterri plutôt que prévu ".La directrice de l'ANAC a indiqué que les enquêtes sont déjà en cours pour situer les responsabilités.
Une étudiante nigérienne que la rédaction d’Actuniger a pu joindre au téléphone nous a confié : « Nous avons été pris en charge à OLYMPE INTERNATIONAL HOTEL. Cependant ce n’est qu’aux environs de 18h que nous avons été amenés à l’hôtel, nous sommes restés à l’aéroport sans manger pratiquement.» Elle poursuit : « Les hôtesses de la compagnie nous on dit qu’un vol viendrait de Dakar pour nous acheminer vers Niamey aujourd’hui, nous sommes donc dans l’attente ».

RK303
 

come on man...26 years old on a 777 and frustrated....hell no:=
we all know that ELP 4 is the standard on every FAA cpl,but are they really level 4 and renewing their english certificate as it suppose to be done...no
....you're a big ******* liar
to hear you talk,you seems to be one of them wack ass A320 f.0 trying to defend them...you know that you guys usually flies with not more than 45 pax in these got damn A320 so how the hell ya'll can afford paying for the airplane lease,workers,fuel and get recurrent training every 6 months....:rolleyes::=
im not in dakar but whenever i read the news online, every months S.A got to be a major thread.i dont leave in dakar but i got reliable info from people working with them its all bull****,i dont know how they are going to survive since they got less then 3months of working capital:ugh:

Just for the record there were 110 pax plus 7 crew memebers on that flight. SenegalAirline's A-320 have room for 126 pax.

yea buddy 110 lucky guy...

So you and your 777 were cleared at 10000ft in the area where Senegal Airlines flights are operating. Interesting... United?Air France? I don't think so as you're 26 years old...and so smart...tell us what was your route then:hmm:

You have an example of a 110 pax flight here

Again, sim check are done in Tunis. Some guys are there at this time. Please call your friends and ask them asap if i'm lying...

Zepekinio, you are one of so many guys who want this new company dead for whatever reason (probably frustated). They have lot of things to improve for sure, as a new company trying to start. One thing they have to do as well is to keep guys like you away if they want to survive in the near futur. I don't know if it will be a successful business, maybe you will smile soon but instead of being so hard on it, try to stay calm to fly your 777 safely.:rolleyes:

Bamakofly, you pointed out one of the major issue.

However, Just for those (like some 26years old little kids) who think that they come from nowhere without experience.I just would like to say that there are a small number of Senegal airlines pilots that are highly experienced on the A320 despite the fact that the majority are highly experienced 737 pilots. Some of those 737 guys have an old A330 experience as well at the time of Air Afrique.
This is just a matter of how they'll manage it more efficiently.

This is the first accident, no passengers injured, apparently no major damage, they will learn from it as any other airline in the world.

Well said RK!

RK303 Once again leave me alone
 

you dont need to know,just keep flying your 97NM with your 320.:eek:
believe me nobody want to fly for them people.
dont worry buddy i usually do things well reason y i be moving forward quick.:D

Well...you in your 777 at 10000ft in this area is still a mystery...but you're right it's all good for you:hmm: