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Q4NVS 13th Mar 2011 15:45

Is this the same aircraft (ZS-OAM) EUROPCAR which suffered a #1 Engine Failure out of FAPE on Friday 11th March 2011? :ooh:

lodewyk 13th Mar 2011 17:33

as you all can see,im not hiding behind a nickname,like most of you who has a mouth full to say about enineers/mechanics.

you should all count your blessings that there is people like us around to fix whatever you guys brake during a 3 hour sortie. yes thats right,sometimes it takes a pilot 10 minutes to brake an aircraft.then its us who has to run around and get it fixed so that you can carry on to do your so important job,or to get you a replacement aircraft.

do not!!!!!!! look down at us as if we are the scum of the earth,we are here to help you and so should you help us.

you should see how incompetent some pilots are,saa,sax,link,british,delta,quantas,everybody has pilots and everybody has engineers/mechanics.
after all,we are all just human and you make mistakes and i make mistakes and you know whats the best of all,is that these things that we fly around in,this things that we fix that we call aeroplane,were build by humans. yes,they were build by your own kind.
it took us 100 odd years to get were we are today and we are still learing,aviation is still learning from its mistakes,nobody is perfect,not you as a pilot and also not me.

get over it buddy,dont think that one companies maintanece is better than the others,they are all the same,in south africa,nigeria,usa,brittan,france and let me tell you another thing,engineers/mechanics in south africa are underpaid and over worked,i dont think that there are engineers/mechanics anywhere in the world who has got more depth and guts than here on homesoil.
im proud of my fellow engineers/mechanics.

Shrike200 13th Mar 2011 18:33

Don't worry man, we love you guys. Really. :)

We all (pilots and engineers) face similar pressures, so we joke about the 'swapped for troubleshooting' type of thing, but the real enemy is the time (money!) pressure. If an airline company ponces on about 'Safety First', they're actually talking out of their sphincters - what they really mean is 'Money First, and try to do it safely' :) And yeah, you get some dof pilots too....

I.R.PIRATE 13th Mar 2011 20:02

That should be " you should all count your blessings that there ARE people like us around to fix whatever you guys BREAK." Gottit?:E

Let me guess : Blue Bulls supporter too.

oompilot 14th Mar 2011 05:31

lodewyk, through your Grade 1 grammar and spelling you have highlighted why you are more correctly referred to as Mechanics rather then Engineers.

Cable Tie 14th Mar 2011 06:37

Q4NVS :Is this the same aircraft (ZS-OAM) EUROPCAR which suffered a #1 Engine Failure out of FAPE on Friday 11th March 2011?


No this is another incident, The first one is at Lanseria. There was internal damage, and if you guys are wondering, SAA don't do the major overhauls on the CFM 56-3 anymore. They are outsourced.

Malagant 14th Mar 2011 06:38

mmmh..
 
Engineers..they design stuff, technicians fix stuff or try to fix stuff that we intentionally "brake" during our 3 hour sorties..!:hmm:

I.R.PIRATE 14th Mar 2011 09:24

Engineers mostly finished school too, and have a degree.

Van Der 16th Mar 2011 11:44

To the smart arse commentators (i.e. IR Pirate, Oom), did you consider that the person you are sarcastically commenting about (lodewyk) first language might not be English?

WRT to the Engineer vs Mechanic / Technician theme, unfortunately my and most AME’s license book refers to an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. As of yet I have never come across an AME who claims to be an Engineer from University and experience has shown me that those engineers that never got their matric / “finished school” can be better Aircraft Maintenance Engineers than those with all the “correct” paper qualifications.

I have come across more than a few pilots who think they know everything, including how to fix an aeroplane.
Problem is most of them are scared of bleeding and getting their hands dirty.

Capetonian 16th Mar 2011 12:22


To the smart arse commentators (i.e. IR Pirate, Oom), did you consider that the person you are sarcastically commenting about (lodewyk) first language might not be English?
Lodewyk's first language is probably Afrikaans. That language, like English, and like most other languages, uses capitals at the beginning of sentences, for proper nouns, and so on.

The way he writes English is indicative of a sloppy, careless attitude and if that is reflected in his work, I hope I never fly on an aircraft he has worked on.

Van Der 16th Mar 2011 12:41

Let me guess, you’re a pilot and a Psychologist?

Judging someone’s ability to fix aeroplanes by their grammar skills is just silly. Personally I’d rather fly with a pilot who knows how to fly the plane, than one who knows his grammar.

:ugh:

mattman 16th Mar 2011 12:41

I have to step into bat for our beloved, Engineers, Mechanics and or Techies.

As there are the good and the bad pilots, I am safe to assume the same applies to the beloved spanner monkey (just a joke).

There is nothing more cherished than the Engineer that can devise you out of a tight spot, and when you’re sitting in some God forsaken stink hole, this is a prized possession to have.

To pull an engine on an uncovered ramp and return it back into the craft you fly, without the comfort of a roof over your head is feat already in the making. To make the aircraft an airworthy chunk of Aluminium is really a master task. I for one am gobsmacked by the plumbing a designer puts into these things. I challenge those that have not tried it, to go to your local repair shop and put your hand in some grease and slop a bearing or two.

To the rest I implore, just smile and wave.

By these men a Bell’s


P.S

I did not think ICAO wanted a Level 4 for the AME?

Van Der 16th Mar 2011 12:57

@ Mattman

Not yet, but who knows what could happen if those lawyers who write the regulations get their way.
BTW thanks for the comments, and yes us humans are not perfect.


lambert 16th Mar 2011 14:14

Actually, Lodewyk is probably a level 4 or 5 (or even 6) since the ICAO LPR English test is oral and not written, so we couldn't see if he is using capitals or not!

nugpot 17th Mar 2011 09:13

@ Van Der


I have come across more than a few pilots who think they know everything, including how to fix an aeroplane.
Problem is most of them are scared of bleeding and getting their hands dirty.
I would guess that you have probably come across more than a few pilots who think they know what is wrong with an aeroplane. Most of us want bugger all to do with fixing it, but after many thousands of hours on the same type, I can tell when it is broken (ground tested and found serviceable - my ass) and often what is broken as well (xxx swopped with yyy for trouble-shooting - just delaying the inevitable and probably looking for a turn-back).


Let me guess, you’re a pilot and a Psychologist?
Nah, pilot and engineer - the type with the degree that is.

:E ;)

KRONOS 17th Mar 2011 09:45

.....
 
Lodewickus....

Have a coke and a smile buddy, you going to give yourself a hot start, possibly throw a few blades, or a bearing :}


Ever heard of friendly banter, taking the piss, just like the maintenance crews have a lot to say about the incompetent flightdeck crew, who know nothing, and always break the aeroplane.

You are paid for your "expertise" are you not, so fix it...so I can break it later.

K

Evanelpus 17th Mar 2011 16:30

Bet they didn't need a MM either, just followed the descriptions on the side of the fuselage to differentiate between parts!

nugpot 17th Mar 2011 16:57


Bet they didn't need a MM either, just followed the descriptions on the side of the fuselage to differentiate between parts!
I think it was the camo one, so they had to find them first - the engines that is....

natureair 18th Mar 2011 14:54

Are you as good with grammer and spelling in your tech logs as well......normally aircrew are not........

Evanelpus 18th Mar 2011 15:05

Me and grammer are fine, it's grandpa that's a pain in the ass!


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