slag or degrade another's work place
 

Funny, when I read the post it was about the government wasting money, not slagging of SAA or the SAA crew.

Let's be honest, if SAA were privatised there would be nothing to argue about. Even if I worked for SAA I would not be able to justify using tax payers money to compete with private airlines - it's just wrong in my opinion but who said life was fair. No reflection on the crew.

Please keep slagging matches in other forums
 

Oh! A new moderator!

If you want to be a moderator you should have been stopped this thread right at the start as there are dozens of others on exactly the same topic. Somebody should have mentioned the "search before you post" phrase.

Very valid point when it comes to privatizing SAA. Especially when they are "forking out R307M" for sport related sponsorships. Instead of wasting their money on nonsense like that, they should pay back their debt to the government. I think what 4EJ posted needs to be seen as well, especially for those who want to be employed by them.

SAA is awesome to work for from a Pilots perspective.Great perks,union,routes...etc. I got in a year and a half ago. Training is excellent . You are nuts if you dont apply !!

I had about 2600 hrs (ATP,turbo-prop and jet experience) when I got in.

Hey Ghost

Well with those credentials when you made it in you:
1) are female or some other PDI
2) your dad works there
3) were in the SAAF
4) were a cadet
5) know somebody on the interview panel

I have been applying regularly for about 8 years now, I clearly do not have any of the above mentioned requirements. I have almost double your total time when you joined and pretty much the same amount of time on medium jet airliners as you had total time. I have not even so much has received an acknowlegment of my application.

CB

CUE BALL.....I am male. Was never a CADET....IM the only PILOT in the family. DIDnot know anyone on the PANEL and was never in the SAAF.

The other guys that got in with me were NOT PDI dudes. 2 from the SAAF and one from a regional airline like me.

Just keep updating your CV. BTW there were afew courses after mine and not more than 5 of the 20 or so selected were cadets . Dont give me that PDI crap ! They hire u on merit . CADET or NOT. If u get in you deserve it ! thats my 2 cents worth. The people on the selection Panel were very fair. No bull they tell u like it is.

On the whole its an excellent outfit. Captains are chilled/relaxed and most drink BEER ;)

Versus

And then:

I agree with Cue Ball that things don't add up - maybe CB's got the wrong Postal Address :oh:

Q4NVS

Wish I could say it was the wrong postal address but I gave my updated cv's to mates who are there already( maybe they chucked them straight in the trash I dunno but I doubt it). I just find it hard to believe that ghost made it in with those credentials without satisfying at least one of the requirements I mentioned. Oh well good for him he got the job. Think I will just go and print another updated cv and send it in again:hmm:

SAA in the news once more
 

ohannesburg - While South African Airways (SAA) declines to use the "p" word for privatisation, this is in fact happening at the airline, according to economists and unions.

This week SAA issued a tender for parties interested in bidding for stakes in two of SAA's subsidiaries. But SAA spokesperson Vimla Maistry says the airline is planning to retain a majority interest in each of its subsidiaries.

The aim, she says, is to grow the operations and improve them. Currently the SAA Technical division and Voyager are the only units in question. The process of selling a stake in the Technical division will be the gauge for judging the process at other subsidiaries.

Chris Smyth, SAA's acting chief executive, last year said that SAA also wanted sell a stake in Air Chefs - the airline's catering division - as well as SAA Cargo, the freight division.

Kenneth Monnana, the national air transport coordinator for the SA Transport & Allied Workers' Union (Satawu), says his union is opposed to privatisation of any kind.

The union wants SAA to halt the process. It will appeal to the Minister of Public Enterprises, if necessary. If SAA is properly managed there will be no reason to go to the private sector for funding.

Willie van Eeden of the Uasa trade union says privatisation can lead to staff cuts.

Mike Schüssler, an economist at Economists.co.za, says that the move is a good sign that government is becoming more pragmatic with regard to private interests in state companies.

This has become evident in the case of Eskom, he points out, where government is seeking private investors for its new power stations. Government realises the way forward is to involve the private sector.

Two businesses that have previously expressed interest in the Technical division are the German airline Lufthansa and Air France.

Suitcaseman, it's only professional jealousy to say your fellow pilots should take a 50% paycut. This is a pilots forum for goodness sake, not a bean counters forum.

Suitcaseman......so please tell us where u work and how much you earn...yster!

Ghost_Rider737 , just to clarify, are you a white male?

Focus children, FOCUS!!!!!!!!:}

Focus? Not with all these egos around....:}

A couple of months ago the rumour at SAA was a net gain of over 230 pilots by the end of 2011. Now the rumour is that we could be shrinking.

Worst of all for pale males is that the selection board is not allowed to interview any white males unless they have an extraordinary qualification (whatever that means??)

If the South African Air Force can use PDI Non South African Citizens then what is stopping SAA from doing that as well.

There is no more Law and Order in this country anymore. TIA. Live with it. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Has the cadet pilot scheme been canned, or it is still going?

That is what East African Airways, Air Botswana and Swazi have all done in the past and paid much less for a continental contract pilot than a national of whatever reflectivity . Some of these guys from the outside world can be multi lingual also, speaking French and English as also their own language. This rasies the preception of the education of the national carrier's pilots throughout the world of five star hotels and departure halls.

Some of these guys from the outside world can be multi lingual also, speaking French and English as also their own language. This rasies the preception of the education of the national carrier's pilots throughout the world of five star hotels and departure halls.

DAH

What has language got to do with it.
Not sure about your last sentence . You taking a dig at the SAA / Airline pilots.

Just trying to understand your last post. :confused::8:E

No whites please, we're South African!
 

As much as nobody who is in any management position would like to admit it (publicly), SAA has only considered white pilots in recent years when it has been absolutely necessary to do so. I emigrated in 2005 when I realised that SAA was just out of my reach. I'm no extraordinary pilot, but I did feel that I had the qualifications (7000 hours total and a Grade 1 DE). I flew for a regional airline, on a jet, at the time. What really "nailed" it for me was a telephonic conversation with one of the Captains who was on the selection board. I thank him for his honesty because it was then that I realised that I was now from the wrong "demographic" group and it would remain an uphill struggle to achieve my long-term professional goals.

I now fly a Gulfstream corporate jet in international operations and have gained some amazing experience from North America to Hong Kong and lots in between!
Despite this, guess what I did this year?? I sent my CV, via a friend who is in SAA, to the Chief Pilot!! And guess what??? The answer was exactly the same again! Did I loose heart? You bet! Will I give up? Not just yet! I still have this dream, one that I've had for a long time, and I'm not ready to relinquish it just yet.
So, despite the title that I chose, all I can say to any pilot out there, SA expat or not, if you want to get into SAA, keep on trying! Who knows...that window/door might just open at the time that you do!

Good luck to all of you out there who also have a dream.