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Marcus the wise 30th Nov 2007 04:15

Nationwide grounded
 
Just heard that Nationwide is going to have it's entire fleet grounded by the SACAA. Apparently the SACAA has withdrawn the airlines AMO license.
Things must have been really bad there or this is a serious over reaction.
Can you imagine how this is going to effect their xmas pax loads due to loss of confidence!
Interesting times.

Siguarda al fine 30th Nov 2007 04:17

More like interesting RUMOUR.......................

Deltad 30th Nov 2007 04:30

Unfortunately it is not a rumour, just heard an interview with Nationwide on 702 their AMO has been withdrawn and all flights have been suspended till further notice.

Siguarda al fine 30th Nov 2007 04:33

Why would they stop flying serviceable aircraft ???????????????????

Marcus the wise 30th Nov 2007 04:41

Servicable in the eyes of VB or SACAA? Most likely after an inspection by SACAA they found that there AMO was non complient in certain areas when carrying out inspections and servicing. Must have been serious, usually SACAA give the AMO a period of time to correct difficiencies in procedures.With press making such a issue of flight problems in the last month,I wonder if that is not a reaction to that?!
Let the games begin!!

Q4NVS 30th Nov 2007 05:00


With press making such a issue of flight problems in the last month,I wonder if that is not a reaction to that?!
And next the BMW Plant in Rosslyn will be shutdown because someone's Beemer had a Flat Battery this morning.

Idiots they are, these Journalists.
(Worse than 2nd hand car salesman - hate them!)

:sad:

RobinB 30th Nov 2007 05:08

WTF have journos got to do with the situation ? NW's maintenace licence was pulled by SACAA, NW grounded their kites "as a precautionary measure", what more do you want ????

Marcus the wise 30th Nov 2007 05:17

With no AMO how can your engineers sign out your aircraft to fly, and hand over the aircraft to the pilot as servicable to fly..mmmm

four engine jock 30th Nov 2007 05:29

They Should Shut Down The Caa!!!
 
Grounding Nationwide is just the CAA's way of saving face for failing there FAA audit.
The CAA is playing with the lives of many hard working employees at Nationwide.
I think its time that all CEO of all Airlines in South Africa sue the crap out of the SACAA.

Fliterisk 30th Nov 2007 05:32

Perhaps the aircraft arent fit to fly... maybe? :bored::eek:

Fact is that the CAA are often criticised if they do nothing and then in this case when they take action on something.

I for one never fly Nationwide. Its personal and while I have the utmost respect for the pilots who fly there, there have been questions raised of their maintenance for a long time... for some this may not be surprising I think.

This is bitter sweet... its about time VB stops thinking he is untouchable... an airline is a business... treat your aircraft, your staff and your business properly and it will do the same. Money has to be put back in...

For the pilots and staff... maybe some good will come of this... there are other airlines out there and if this was going to happen... now is as good a time as any (bar XMas), but its a pilots market... good luck and I hope it all pans out!:ok::ok::ok:

Siguarda al fine 30th Nov 2007 05:49


I for one never fly Nationwide. Its personal and while I have the utmost respect for the pilots who fly there, there have been questions raised of their maintenance for a long time... for some this may not be surprising I think.

You have respect for pilots that fly (in your considered opinion) aircraft that are usafe? What kind of mixed up bumbafu are you?

Fliterisk 30th Nov 2007 05:56

Perhaps your personal comment was a little uncalled for SIGUARDA... the fact that you chose to point out that "in my considered opinion" could be applied to your comment as you quickly mentioned that this was a RUMOUR...:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Point taken though... perhaps I should reserve judgement though, because I know some of them and they are good guys... maybe respect was used loosely. Maybe I just feel sorry for them stuck in the middle of all of this... :rolleyes: I know how hard pilots work to get into airlines and now something like this, when IMHO is caused by one or a few people who are full of self interest and profiteering. I know that VB some years ago wouldnt spend R100 per pilot per month on their loss of license benefit... you have to wonder where he was cutting on the maintenance...:confused:

Skillie 30th Nov 2007 06:01

Saw a Nationwide aircraft taxing out this morning at OT. Maybe to go and park somewhere in a corner.

nugpot 30th Nov 2007 06:15


With no AMO how can your engineers sign out your aircraft to fly, and hand over the aircraft to the pilot as servicable to fly..mmmm
I'm not very clued up on this, but does a licensed engineer need to be part of an AMO to sign out an aircraft?

LJP 30th Nov 2007 06:42

The AME has to be working under an AMO Licence

asianeagle 30th Nov 2007 07:00

Any chance this could be part of a dirty tricks campaign, considering the timing of the grounding, busy time of year, SAA needing more pax......oops did I say that!!!!:}:}

Jetwhite 30th Nov 2007 07:02

Nationwide
 
The grounding of Nationwide,on the first day of school vacation,is a blatent South African Airways involvement in grounding all private white owned airline operators in South Africa.
They cannot compete,so they inform the so called brothers and sisters at the caa do do the dirty work for them,in order that they can fill there aircraft.
Comair labour case,is also an example.

asianeagle 30th Nov 2007 07:07

jeeez bru, it was only wind up, now you even got me thinking:confused:

AirwayBlocker 30th Nov 2007 07:19

I wouldn't think too hard about Jetwhite's comment.

If you take a look I think you will find that there is barely a seat available on most of SAA's flights these days.

What they need is more capacity, not more passengers.

fluffyfan 30th Nov 2007 07:52

Jetwhite I was wondering when SAA was going to be blamed.

I think SAA have more pressing issues at the moment, like restructuring the airline, the management at SAA have neither the time or the imagination to pull of such a stunt at a time like this.

You are very quick to blame SAA but lets just suppose that for once the SACAA has done its job properly, it might actually save some lives, how would you like it if your family was vaporised in an aircraft accident, there must be reasons for this move by the SACAA, and rumors have persisted for a long time of sub-standard maintenance by Nationwide, I have friends there who have relayed some horrific stories about captains being told to depart (or threatened with dismissal) even though the MEL says the aircraft is unsuitable to fly.


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