Carnivoruslegallus

Im trying to decipher that Latin Translation. Something to the effect that you "Eat Lawyers"??.
You certainly hit the nail on the head with SACAA. Just shows that enough money can buy anything in SA.
Anyway in your Anonymity dont forget that "Legal Teams" are only there as long as the pot has money in it....... I cannot forsee any "Pro Bono" in this matter. Lots of Sharks in the Cape waters, some of them are..................

I find it really hard to fathom out the SACAA.

The National Newspapers reported yesterday that Gary van der Merwe ONCE AGAIN won a court case against the SACAA. This time concerning a matter of wrongfull arrest when some half wit CAA inspector filed a charge against Van der Merwe because Van der Merwe refused to see him or allow him access to his office.

The Court ruled that the arrest was unlawful, and threw the case out of court. Van der Merwe's lawyer indicated that they will now be sueing the SACAA for millions of rands in damages.

What next?

Previous postings on this thread explained in detail how useless the SACAA have become, but Minister Radebe have done absolutely nothing about it. A New Board of Directors were supposed to be appointed October last year. Nothing to date. A Commissioner and CEO were supposed to be appointed as well, but also no action there. The ones there are all still in acting positions. The result? No decisions, no management, no enforcement, just :mad: around and wasting money. Flying around the country to do inspections and audits, which very seldom get done at all, or properly.

It also appears that some of the staff that had left the SACAA some time ago have been re-employed on a contract basis. The reason? Alledgedly because they know where the front of an airplane is and what fuel it's supposed to be using. (Remember, some inspectors DON'T know that some propellor driven aircraft does'nt have to use AVGAS.)

A couple of white faces are leaving shortly due to age and non renewable contracts. The politics, backstabbing and mismanagement have turned the SACAA into a true circus. What a bunch of idiots.

The Head of Helicopter Operations is a 250 hour R22 & R44 flyer, and only knows how to drink Tequila shots and talk big. What a joke. The SACAA is truly destroyed.

My prediction? 5th World +&%@* up organisation in less than 2 years. No plan, no qualified people. Just a bunch of faces pulling wages and doing what they're doing now. Sweet nuthin!

So Bert, what does your mates in the industry say? You know a coupla heavies don't you?

CV
Just a guess mind you but as I said before I think your spot on and can only assume that they may agree.
As to all the money its costing, the government is the taxpayer and the taxpayer is you. So the situation is not really funny its appalling.
Alll the reasons have been posted on this thread before...

More funnies
 

I heard that a "CAA Inspector" saw a trainer startup at a main airport with it's door open [ useful thing to do on a hot day ]
& ran out to the aircraft [ prop turning et al ] to stop this.
Seems that he insisted that the door must be closed.

What do you think ?

:E Sounds headless to me .. :E

huey
 

Just heard that the folks at Helibase had a good solo party last night for the first pure Huey student trained by the Big G. When he gets his Student Pliots check out from Frank to day we will then have a Commander of the Huey flying pax with a Student Pilots Licence. Lets hope he can maintain the excellent safety record. Go baby!

Mr Earp ... tell us you are pulling our legs ... this is turning out to be a mayor farce :ouch:

Say again, unreadable!!! A student pilot driving the Huey with paying pax - did I miss something? When I did my PPL I had to have the grubby licence in my hand before I could expose even my poor mum to my amazing piloting skills, let alone paying sheep.......

But before you all jump down my neck I've been watching this topic from the start so am full up to speed with the ups and downs of the Huey:ok:

Ja its true!:D

I used to hang out down there and flew on the Huey numerous times. Great ship, the Huey. Over the months though, things have happened down there at the Waterfront Helipad, and a lot of us Huey fans have watched it all from a distance, to scared to go close in case Gary or his security guys beat us up for saying anything about the Huey, good or bad.

In spite of all the problems with the Huey, all the Court cases and the bad publicity in the Newspapers, the Huey saga have continued uninterupted. This mainly due to the CAA not being able to touch the Gary. They have lost every single court case against him, and think there must have been about 6 of them.

At the end of the day we have all heard the stories, and the Cape Town Aviation fraternity have absorbed the latest gossip with awe!:confused: :p

Latest is that Gary is instructing on the Huey and have trained numerous pilots. That includes his right hand man and a very nice colored man who does have a PPL (H). (Part of his empowerment drive)

So it generally understood that in South Africa you can instruct with a PPL and no instructors rating, you can fly with no license, you can send students who don't have any student licenses solo, and for all of that, you will get a pat on the shoulder from the SACAA which will include a "well done".

People say Gary is controversial. Others fear him and his legal team, and that must include the SACAA, because the SACAA have allowed things to happen which makes a total mockery of the regulations in SA, and to date, NO ONE at the SACAA, which includes their lawyers, could say why they are allowing the Huey people to get away with what they get up to, and why they continue to allow it?

Some people say he's a modern day Jessie James, or a Walter Mittey character, but the bottom line is that the Huey and its people keep on going, and they keep on getting away with things that are way beyond what is prescribed in those 3 big blue books.

The SACAA is the regulatory authority, but in their books its OK for a non Huey rated DE, yes DE, to conduct type rating training to type. Yebo, no rating but he signed off a number of students and the SACAA condoned it. So its even possible these days to give a person a conversion even though you're not rated on the type. To qualify? Just prove to the SACAA that you can fly, have lots of experience and are a nice person.

In spite of all the gossip, rumours and story variants surrounding Gary and his Huey, the good old Huey keeps on chugging along thru the Cape Town skies with the foreign tourist on board. Whats really nice about it all is the fact that these poor tourists have'nt got the foggiest idea who the Commander is, whether he's qualified, whether he's rated, or whether he has a license. Bottom line is that the Huey is a major attraction and people love the beast. Viva the Huey!:ok: :ok:

Now why do we have a CAA in South Africa? To regulate and control what? Maybe some one can answer that one. Will be interesting to see!:confused:

Bladestrap it is days like this that I am so glad I never had anything major to to do in the civillian side of flying in SA.

This is damn frightening what you are saying here and I have NO doubt you know what you are talking about.

I remeber Mrs vd Merwe signed my ppl in 1976. I also remember in the 60 hrs as a ppl pilot that I decided never ever again ... I stuck to it and have a nearly 30 year old (lapsed) ppl to show that. Thanks to the SAAF training and background you CAN say NO and YES and rules and regulations are there to be enforced (well not always) :E but at least not as blatantly than what is going on here.

So people are scared of Gary ... thought so .. :ouch:

It shows clearly now :E

Can we consider the Huey story a good example of where SA is going? Fill in the blanks and take this particular story to the Banking Industry, Insurance, Construction, Medical. CEOs of Coprorations that fold, yet they walk away with Millions of Rand after walking out of courtrooms unscathed. Government funded Projects with no accountability, yet the taxpayer continues to pay into the black hole (no pun intended).
All similiar in some fashion. An operator who needs not operate by rules, but by court edict. As long as the legal team is in place and an incompetant Government agency is operating, this will continue. The tail will continue to wag the dog.

Beyond all of this, the world can now see what a tough Aircraft that was built in the U.S.of A

Bert I agree with some of your sentiments but I also think you are mixed up with the Michael Jackson court case :E

and this canbe generalised in America .. US of A .. UK ... even Japan (once world's richest man is going to sit as well) ... :EPS : VIVaaaaaaaaaaaa the Huey (South Africa Rebuilt) :p

Guns I always have prefaced things with "if its :mad: up we did it first." Michael is a great example( Just remember they are only picking on him because hes white)
Certainly the generalities apply to the U.S.. Its just sad to see a beautiful country such as SA following our poor example.

Thought I would get you more wound up than this :E

Back to the Huey ... always been a big supporter (and admirer) of the machine but the way things are going it is close to being ridicioulous ... spell check ... :)

What a :mad: up business.

I find it really hard to fathom out this whole lot. :confused:

Come on SACAA, what the heck is going on?:}

Huey has another incident!
 

I hear from a reliable source that the said Huey had another incident yesterday sometime. Training? Anybody have any dope in this never ending saga?

The spies at the Waterfront hinted that the Huey had a hard landing and that some damage was done to the tail area. Apparently they are either replacing the tail boom or strengthening it with stainless steel.:confused:

Since the Dave Mouton forced landing when the engine actually exploded and causing a total meltdown, the boys have fitted a Dash 11 engine. Some CT engineers believe that due to the fact that they dont have proper facilities or tools to correctly set up the FCU and engine, the engine is not functioning normally due to the fact that it often "backfires" and spews out a puff of smoke. The hard landing may well have been due to loss of power close to the ground. Anything is possible, especially when you don't have a qualified engineer performing the maintenance, and worse of all without the proper tools or equipment.

I fail to understand why the SACAA allows this machine to fly? Its only a matter of time now before its gonna kill someone!

Bladestrap
The FCU was a bone of contention over a year ago, its mentioned back a few pages in this never ending thread.
Its an item that was giving problems then. One of the reasons most starts went to Emergency Governor had to do with this item. We call that a big red X (grounding authority) Its also something that when repair is required it has to be sent back to an authorized repair station, mainly for the Calibration. Shade Tree Mechanics were only allowed to box it up to be shipped out....They know that in CT
Putting in a -11 engine means its the UH-1D category vs. -13 for the UH-1H. That requires a new Airworthiness Certificate (at Least under FAA rules), but since they dont have one anyway, who cares.
As to the tailboom, just remember there are only four bolts that hold that puppy on there. Part of the preflight requires a hands on check to see that there is no seperation between the body of the aircraft and the tailboom. If it hit as hard as you mentioned the tail stinger may be bent, if thats so the area where it attaches should have damage. We used to paint tail stingers and "he who comes home with paint missing (and it is acceptable) buys the beer." I know of one actual autorotation where the idiot rotated so far that he got the tail rotor instead of the stinger. That was just the beginning of his problems.
Also HUEYS DO NOT backfire. Thats usually something attributable to a failing engine.
Last but not least SACAA seems out of the picture after getting their ass whipped in the courts.
Again we see that that Huey is one aircraft thats hard to hurt......

:ugh: ..this is getting seriously embarresing ... :bored:

Huey
 

It would appear that the newly trained student lost it in the hover, panicked and shut the throttle . The skids are a bit modified and the tail boom has got a boundry layer control modification but in the greater scheme of things not really something to panic about. Darn, there goes the safety record so well built up over the years. Also, the blades got a bit of a fright but nothing that the maintenance man is not used to. Go Huey

Yo Wyatt, where's da harse you were supposed to ride into town on??;)

Man, this Huey story is getting good again. So much happening but no one is posting. I wonder why? Last I heard that some Huey critics were threatened and warned that they will be taken out. The big boys were gonna pay them a visit and break every bone in their bodies. Heard it happened to "Rotorhead/twomember/A340_cojock" Apparently he was beaten up and his family traumatised. Is this true???

Well fellow ppruners, here's the latest gossip from the "reliable spy down in the docks", and I mean RELIABLE! An in house man, and when this boy's had a few, he loves to talk...... big!

The Huey Company is now empowered. Its become a BE Company and they're all moving back to the Helibase again shortly. Gary Fox is the chief engineer, and he's telling the Huey members & enthusiasts that he's bought 6 Hueys in Germany, 2 ship load full of parts out the USA, and that within 2 months he's gonna have 6 Hueys flying. Well, how we would all love to see that, but then again rumour has it that Fox is renowned for not always being to economical with the truth:{

Furthermore, the Huey is currently out of service. Its so messed up that its gonna take at least 2 weeks to get it fixed. Apparently big problems all round. Tail boom buggered, MR blades kaput, engine suspect, but in spite of all this, the SACAA have backed them in their endeavours, and are 100% behind them. The spy says the SACAA gave them a fresh AMO. The SACAA have now also appointed a fresh team consisting of "Pula" (he's in it for the money.. pula being currency) Sakhile ( Because she's a training captain and knows helicopters very well) Peter Volland (former Luftwaffe Officer retired) and a string of colorful faces from the airworthiness department that knows everything about Hueys. (Fox alledgedly trained them.):D ;) :p Man this is funny!:ok: The Court cases scared the s:mad: out of the SACAA, so they decided to make peace with Gary and instead of trying to prosecute him, decided rather to lend a helping hand. They've been spending a lot of time with him trying to get his Huey Company SACAA compliant. (Whatever that means.) They've run out of legal fees and legal ideas, and their BE Legal advisors know s:mad: out aviation law. Just looking at the court cases won with costs, Gary must have made at least 2 bar out of the SACAA in the last 2 years. Man oh man, what a way to earn a living! Just sue those dumbo's.

For the rest, there is so much more to post, but I don't know if I should tell it all. Man its really exciting and captivating stuff. Mr. Moderator what do you think? Shall I post it? It is after all a rumour network.;) :p

What's the SACAA gonna come up with next? Abolish all regulations? It certainly looks like it. Just think about it! They're trying to assist a client in BECOMING compliant. That means he's not compliant, but he flies. He has no Operating License, but the CAA audit him. He does'nt have an operating license, but the CAA does a Dangerous Goods Inspection. His helicopter is not airworthy, but he flies it with no certification, insurance or paperwork, and no licensed engineer to sign it off. Man, this CAA sure looks like its gonna end up the same as those corrupt and non-functioning CAA's we know so well in darkest Africa. Well done SACAA, you're a great example!

I wonder if the SACAA are allowing the trainee pilot to fly commercially with passengers in the mean time while they assist him to become compliant as well......????:confused: :confused:

Viva South Africa, Viva Bob Mugarbage, Viva! Viva! Viva SACAA!:{

Maybe we ought to start a GPS Pool. R100 buy-in. The one with the closest coordinates to the burning hole in the ground wins.........
Sounds like now its just a matter of where and when.........

bladestrap whats the timecheck on your gen?
This morning, the ball-and-chain and myself drove to the waterfront for a little jaunt on the ferry out to robbersisland, and the Huey was parked on its pad. Engine covers open and some bloke climbing all over it. (this was about 12:00 local)

This avi,about 16:30 , as we cruised in to the waterdronk , as certain groot geeste like to call it, the Huey was parked out on the V&A chopper pad and a little string of pax was being led to it, kinda like the pied piper? Didnt see it take off, but it was there, got the pic to prove it too! So unless somebody drove it there on the back of a bakkie, it must have flown?

Also, last week, think it was tuesday or wednesday, saw it whopping along the coast by Blouberg and over the hill...

... by the by,how much is the chap paying for his ppl training?:E

send the story to Carte Blanche! They love sensational stuff like this!

Go for it bladestrap .. :ok:

It should be written :ok: Newspapers and (hopefully) Carte Blanche reads this ;)

Hells bells guys, the saga never ends. I love that Huey, have always loved it and cherish the flips I've had in it.

The thing is getting a bit long in the tooth now, and maybe the SACAA should just tell us exactly what the truth is behind this saga. Is it legal and airworthy, or is it not?Come on SACAA, lets hear it from YOU! I mean, there are so many stories, but no one knows for sure. Lets hear it CAA, lets hear it!

Clipboard
Back a few hundred posts ago it was mentioned that SACAA had revoked the Airworthiness Certificate. Although the owner(s) may still have it physically in hand, according to all I have seen is that it is revoked. Since all the court battles, SACAA just stays out of the way.
If Im correct it C/A was never re-issued and remains revoked. The Aircraft is flying under the guidance of the courts..... They always make the right decision........................NOT
Has Anyone seen a new C/A recently issued, lately?? I mean Im sure every pilot who gets in the Aircraft properly checks these documents as part of the preflight..........If the SACAA had any juice, all who have flown it since its revocation would have seriously tainted their flying priveliges.
Anybody out there who has the true Answer??

Its official. The Huey does'nt have an airworthiness certificate, but the High Court ordered that it can fly. So you won't be getting any information from the CAA Mr. Bert. They're not going to tell you anything. Simply because they don't really know how to deal with the Huey saga.

Right now the Huey is still flying. The Company is now Black Empowered with Gary Fox as the Chief engineer and Chief Instructor. Fox is currently instructing the new pilots, and rumour has it that the Huey is in pieces due to several hard landings. One, with Fox in the Instructor's seat and his student in the right hand seat. According to an inside source, they dragged the tail and bent the skids. Nice one huh?

What the aviation fraternity in South Africa fail to understand is how a pilot with no rating can give instruction on a helicopter he's not rated on, and the CAA condones it. Total lawlessness. The Wild West.

That scenario basically means that each and everyone can do as they please. The SACAA are so lawless now, that they don't care who breaks the rules.

One can therefore only assume with all of whats been posted here, that the SACAA don't need to exist, because they're not enforcing their regulations, and anyone who can fly, can just fly, license or no license. And what's worse is the fact that in spite of all the criticism here, the SACAA have not responded to the allegations, neither have they attempted to set the record straight. So one must assume that everything is OK and that the SACAA condones it all.

Sad, real sad!:}

The Huey is still flying and is by no means in pieces.

I watched it fly this evening as I do every night from the beach.

It still gives off it's puff's of black smoke every now and again.(have no idea what causes the black smoke,and dont care).

:*

Clipboard said it, as its been said many times before. Something terribly wrong when the courts determine what clutters your skies......I still have my R100 and have a good guess as to Lat/Lon if the pool gets started.
Again it goes without saying that the Huey is a tough piece of machinery. This is a perfect example.

Goffel writes:"It still gives off it's puff's of black smoke every now and again.(have no idea what causes the black smoke,and dont care)."

Im sure you should only care when your on board. Many causes for black smoke. One that comes to mind in the Lycoming case is unburnt fuel igniting intermittently.. More reason for me to up my wager to R200. Sad part is it will probably be at the loss of someones family member.
If this is one of the older models, it may not have the Crashworthy Fuel System on Board. We lost a lot of folks due to post/impact fires with those aircraft as the Fuel bladder sits right behind most of the PAX seats. Sure makes a big fireball.
Make sure you tuck in your Nomex.

I am not joking when I say it gives off "puff's" of black smoke every now and again.

I will try to get a photo of this.

It happend in S&L flight.

:confused:

Without an airworthy cert I would imagine that there is no way in hell that insurance or 3rd party would even consider paying anything in the case of an incident, which seems imminent at this stage.

The victims families will then sue the operator which will most prob just declare insolvency and again walk away scotfree.

It's so unbelievable it's actually funny, until someone gets hurt of course :\

BLADESTRAP, CLIPBOARD, CARNIVORUSLEGALLUS
 

I think it is time that Clipboard, Bladestrap, Carnivoruslegallus or better known as *** posting under all these pseudonyms is exposed once and for all.

As anybody in the SA Aviation Community will know *** *** is the only person ever convicted in SA of having a fraudulent flying license. In addition there is now a full investigation by the CAA into how he got a PPL for a helicopter or a fixed wing in the first place as he had never attended any flight schools and it has transpired that the person issuing him with these licenses is also under investigation for being paid to issue these licenses.

I believe the correct forum to expose fraudsters is the Jet Blast forum and this thread will continue there.

It should also be appreciated that should members want to become personal and fabricate stories they should face the consequences both legal and consequential.

I am meeting with Gary Fox and Gary van der Merwe later and will be continuing this thread on the Jet Blast Forum where it will be more appropriate and this character exposed completely and I can assure you there is plenty of legal and factual documentation available to remove any doubt.

In addition it is distressing to note that a person of Bert Sousa's calibre is so easily drawn into BladeStrap/ Clipboard/ Carnivoruslegallus/ Francois Marais's web that he in turn is starting to misalign himself with the facts and the truth.

After consultation with helicopter engineers it transpires that black smoke is caused by oil-a Good sign on a T53 turbine and carbon seals are air pressurized and with any substantial change in air pressure within turbine due to power changes, can be cause for oil to be released into the exhaust system resulting in a small puff of black smoke and that white smoke is caused by excess fuel or unburnt fuel. Anybody with experience of these big turbines should obviously know this but it seems the experts don't.

I put my R200 that the only thing that gets buried in the hole where the Huey is supposed to be will be *** *** and any clown or joker that sympathises with him.

See you on the Jet Blast Forum for all the fact and gory details.

Smoke
 

I always thought Black smoke=unburnt fuel and white smoke=burning oil:confused:

Injector! Mmmm, I recall from the EC 120 thread that Injector was exposed as Mr. **** ***. The engineering comment can only come from a "know it all" like ***.

Well, I dunno, but if *** is Injector, then I just want to tell you that I am not Francois Marais. Remember me Mr. **** ***. I was the guy that flew your soil sampling contract in the old BP Jetranger, and I am the guy you accused of stealing from you. So don't blame other people for your own misery.

**** ***has always had a very bad reputation, and will always have. He's controversial and is a thug of note.

Come on pprunners, lets get some postings from the lads who know this boy ***.:}

By the way Injector, why don't you post the name(s) of the officials allegedly involved? Are you scared to name them, or are you thumbsucking this whole story? I think that you should be bold enough to back up your rediculous statements with facts if you're prepared to state this. You can be lucky that this is just a rumour network. I think things have caught up with you, and you're now trying to shift blame. Sick my man, sick!:yuk:

Somewhere I am missing the plot here.

I have no idea (I know I am not the brightest carrot around),where the mud-slinging on Francious;Bladestrap;Carniv???(or whatever),has to do with the "puffs of black smoke" coming out of the Huey.

This thread is about the Huey.(and Elvis).

If the so called know-all is in fact Mr Gary ???,then is he not the one that stole from a certain Leb king,who then in turn had Mr Gary's leg broken with a bat.

We all have skeletons in our cupboard.
Just some get caught,and others get away with things.

Whether Francious has a licence or not,put him in a spray a/c and watch poetry in motion.
Put him in the Huey and see if the experts can fault his flying.

But after all that said......The Huey still has "puff's of black smoke" being emmitted from it's turbines.
:confused:

Injector, Thank you for your confidence, but consider, Im just a Pilot, not an Expert...... Francois didnt drag me into this, it was the fact that I flew the thing back when it was certified.......I think, and my recomendations for some major repairs went into the S***can due to the fact it would cost money. They were and appear to still be, Safety of Flight issues. Then Kennel Keeper got in my face and I was not a happy camper. Further, Injector, we call the responses as to this particular aircraft "Spin" as nothing has be posted that would get me to believe ANYTHING to do with the Safety of Flight issues have been dealt with in accordance to the Manufacturers or SACAA specifications.
What keeps this alive is the fact that the insanity of the SA Regulatory Agency that should have the Final Word as to its flyability (SACAA), cannot do Squat about it. The total picture is that although this one Helicopter in SA, may also be indicative of the complete Aviation community there and could have long range considerations as to how the rest of the world looks at SACAA.
In other words how will they regard SAA, for example, when they are given permission to enter other countries that have a working FAA/CAA with standards.
This thread sort of wants to die, then someone throws more fuel in the fire.......Certainly is entertainment on a subject very serious.
One of Francois' main faults is he didnt let me drive his little German Toy...........It is Sweeeeet.
I dont recall Francois being those other monikers, but who knows. I think if Im correct that he has moved on, but no doubt watches a lot of the drivel here.........Hear that Francois I wanna drive that little Gem when I get back.....
Hey, keep all the smut here on this thread, its a good long running mess and the news slugs will have to go surfing to get all the trash..........
Whats the thread title on Jet Blast, cant seem to find it..........

As a regulatory officer in my own country, I have followed this thread with interest. May I add my two dimes worth?;)

First we find the actions of the SACAA very strange with regards to this helicopter. It just does'nt make any common sense. Something is seriously wrong and the SACAA appears not to be taking any action in this case.

Secondly, I have it oin good authority from some SA officers that Mr. Gary Fox is indeed a very controversial character. Some people know him better than others, and I can assure you that I have only heard of him. (nothing good I may add)

What I do know is that his AME license from the SACAA is suspended due to misrepresentations and acts of fraud. This is correct and can be verified. He does not have a Bell 205/Huey rating, and he has admitted this to the SACAA. So I'm told by a duly authorized officer, so it must be true.

What we fail to understand here is why the SACAA Commissioner has not cancelled his license, or prosecuted him for being in command of a fly machine with no rating. In my country he would go to jail.

I think that this thread is nothing more than a dirt hanging exercise between people, and it really is not good for aviation. Maybe these people should refrain from these way of attacking each other and if they want to continue, to do so off the forum.

This is very bad for African Aviation!

"I think that this thread is nothing more than a dirt hanging exercise between people, and it really is not good for aviation. Maybe these people should refrain from these way of attacking each other and if they want to continue, to do so off the forum."

Dirty Laundry is sometimes the only way to get folks attention prior to an accident. In fact if you look at three of the latest threads on this forum, they are regarding recent accidents. Maybe I should bring over some Cowboy Hats, there could be a good market in SA.

Wonders never cease, please say Hello to Alfred..

APPOLOGIES TO GARY FOX.

Todays Cape Argus has put us all in our places.

Three new Huey's have graced our shores.(pge 6..with photo).

Captain Gary Fox,Federal Aviation Administration Inspector and Authorised factory trained pilot AND mechanic.

Fox said the Hueys have been demilitarised and type CERTIFIED.

So there you have it,all you cynical muffoons.

Gary Fox has spoken,and as he is a factory trained pilot AND mechanic,you had better believe everything that is said.

It's OK,I also believe that fairies :mad: knomes.