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Solid Rust Twotter 25th Nov 2004 17:41

Guns

I stopped supporting the Boks when they stopped playing rugby and became a herd of glamour gatte. Looking forward to the All Blacks game.

Now THAT'S rugby!:ok:

Gunship 25th Nov 2004 17:50

Watch them this weekend bru :D

At least our FlowerBokke in India is doing ok ... first one a draw :)

BAKELA 25th Nov 2004 17:50


all aspects of SA aviation
I've said it before, so won't say it again 'less I get sh@t on for slagging off "you know who"! I reckon this is only the tip of the iceberg! Sad indeed! Maybe we need more 'whistle blowers' in SA to show who's doing what to whom and where and how and what for...? Just saying...?

Gunzzz!!(it's late..I know). Howzit bru! Nice one on the IP's, hopefully have the trolls thinking about it????. :} :} :} SRT, as Gunzzz said, I can only endorse that one, the truth hurts...big time:sad:

Jammydonut, TV...what TV?

why doesnt turn it into an actuality sit com for TV
Maybe because in sitcoms :yuk: (Ali:yuk:. Osborne:yuk: ) they have the same problem in expressing themselves as you seem to have...:} :}

The seemingly pending demise of the Huey is not a sitcom, it's a bloody disaster...for those of us who love warbirds (in any form or in any way..and I'm one of those), for Cape Town, for South Africa, for this world and for the future of all "old" flying machines that may have had a chequered background but by the grace of Zeus and the other Gods had someone that said "Get me on the road again"...Let's keep on trying. Long live warbirds...and the Huey!!!!

Dave Mouton 25th Nov 2004 18:37

Rob
 
Thanks for the honest correction and point taken, but if you don’t mind I will stick to my initial opinions while taking stock of South African aviation and rugby. If you read SA history you will see the sad roots of what we refer to as the crab syndrome. “As one escapes the fishing basket for the big blue waters the others will draw him back into the basket.” We have the ability to backstab and fight while forgetting and not solving the real issues. As long as the sun doesn’t shine on others life is good.
So even attempting to reflect on this saga objectively it is difficult to assess who is in the basket and who is really concerned with aviation safety. Lets just hope that the final decision makers have more wisdom than the average crab.
I do agree though -- Long live the Huey and it was great to fly in one again.

Kennel Keeper 26th Nov 2004 07:01

Please read the following statement objectively without involving the sentiments for or against the Huey’s present owner/operator.

My hands are tied with regard to disclosure of any facts to the public at large for the following very sad reason :-

In any normal world wide aviation accident or occurrence the norm would be for everyone from the FAA / CAA, manufacturer and operator to have access to the parts to determine the cause of the failure or incident, and to use this information to either improve the failed component or recommend operating procedures or warnings to operators of similar aircraft.

However it has been my sad experience that in South Africa playing along with the authorities only spells trouble.
Our system which includes the CAA and insurers as well as banks have a tendency to punish the pilot/operator/owner for the incident rather than use this info for the good of all.
I have had this experience personally and know of others who have honestly admitted true facts of an accident to the authorities only to have licences suspended and insurance claims refuted.

This has sadly created a precedent with owners and pilots to rather lie and cover up than tell the truth which WILL be used to punish you.

In truth the Huey like many other aircraft has had a “forced” landing due to a failure of some sort. Normally this failure would be reported to Lycoming and other operators as it occurred at low engine total time. However this is now being used as a means to cane somebody for being a naughty boy.
If I or anyone connected to this aircraft were to admit any form of failure in the said engine or maintenance procedures, the chances are the said AME/AMO licence would be suspended and someone would be prosecuted!! Should the aircraft have been insured the insurers would be looking for any excuse not to pay with a great deal of help from the CAA.

The CAA authorities try to pretend they are your friends only to use any information given to punish you. We still seem to be locked into the old police state from the past.

Additionally due to the current climate of jealousy within the other operators everyone is trying now to claim they were right all along about the Huey being a dangerous aircraft including the CAA.

The other day a big European operator had an engine explode on takeoff at JNB with a new 777 full of packs. The aircraft stopped on a taxi way and all persons on board were safely evacuated. Immediately following the incident the engine was replaced and the aircraft was inspected and found serviceable to fly back to Europe.

Airbus did not get on the net and cry foul, nor did the CAA impound the 777. I think Airbus used this as a lesson of why the engine failed rather than as a reason to badmouth Boeing.

I would prefer full disclosure but fear a very large stick being waved including a CRIMINAL record for having dared to work on a component which failed due to FOD or fatigue.

Eddie( Using a proxy server through another port just in case big brother is watching)

prospector 26th Nov 2004 07:39

"I have had this experience personally and know of others who have honestly admitted true facts of an accident to authorities only to have licences suspended and insurance claims refuted"

What a strange experience, I wonder why this should be?

Prospector

anjouan 26th Nov 2004 11:31

Whilst I haven’t always agreed with everything Bert says, at least he’s always upfront and the rather pathetic attempts to discredit him serve only to show the inadequacies of the posters themselves.

I went for a flight in the Huey earlier this year and I fully agree that it’s a complete sham trying to pass it off as a club. It’s a normal fare-paying passenger pleasure flight. In my opinion it’s also a completely unsafe passenger operation. When I went up we had a long leg over the water, flew ridiculously low in a single engine machine carrying passengers and had there been any major engine problem a lot of people would have been seriously injured or killed. While it may be nice to keep old warbirds flying, this is not the way to do it.

B Sousa 26th Nov 2004 11:32

KK writes:
"However it has been my sad experience that in South Africa playing along with the authorities only spells trouble.
Our system which includes the CAA and insurers as well as banks have a tendency to punish the pilot/operator/owner for the incident rather than use this info for the good of all.
I have had this experience personally and know of others who have honestly admitted true facts of an accident to the authorities only to have licences suspended and insurance claims refuted."

This is a good point to bring up and I will mention how it sometimes gets resolved in the states.
If there is a failure of some kind or an accident. One who is involved can write an honest statement to the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) This information CANNOT be used in any way for prosecutorial purposes, only for SAFETY and in the hopes the problem can be resolved. Lots of folks use to this legally get off the hook, and thats OK, if it prevents future problems. I dont think SA has that in Place.
This all applies if all else is considered "legal". That is proper documentation issued by the FAA as to the aircraft and all persons involved, ie. Pilots, Mechanics(Engineers) etc.
I believe the comparison to the major carrier engine problem and this situation is a matter of apples and oranges.

clipboard 26th Nov 2004 11:35

Seeing that the moderators are now keen to expose pprune posters, why don't they just expose the whole lot? That way we will all know who's who in the zoo. :ok:

Its amazing how much attention the truth attracts, and how few people like the truth!

Take for instance the ONE posting by TWOMEMBER. I would say it is rather defamatory and very one sided.

My views on the Huey and its people (Owners & Opposition) have always been my own candid opinion and will remain so.:)

Good posting Eddie. :ok:

Good idea Bert, but this is South Africa, not the USA, and SA does not have a NTSB, only a couple of lawnmower mechanics.

Jetdriver 26th Nov 2004 14:11

"Seeing that the moderators are now keen to expose pprune posters, why don't they just expose the whole lot? That way we will all know who's who in the zoo."


The rules are clear in this regard. A real name should not be used unless it already in the public domain. Any abuse of these rules is unacceptable and will be stopped.

Kennel Keeper 27th Nov 2004 04:53

I quote Bert off the bogus parts forum

"keep in mind what Lu mentioned were AB205s, 206s. Those were probably manufactured in Italy by Augusta under contract and certifable aircraft, vs. those made in the states by Bell. Basically AB (augusta-Bell) were Civilian aircraft in Military paint.
Same thing in Germany. Dornier had a contract and made Hueys, but they were certified.
If the Huey in the Cape were either one of those, we wouldnt be having this discussion. They would be certifiable aircaft and everyone would be happy."

Surprise surprise!!!

What if I tell that 90 percent of the parts fitted to the flying Huey have AB part numbers and serial numbers and that in fact 4 of the Huey's at Helibase are actually AB 205's with 212 parts. This Huey was in fact fully maintained and overhauled by an Agusta subsidiary in Ethiopia. I have original documents (copies on file at SACAA) to prove this!

Fact:-
ZU-CVC (Huey 1) has in fact had almost all of the time related items replaced including installation of a NEW certified set of 212 part number main rotor gearbox and swash plate. The engine was overhauled by South East Asia aviation and only had a couple hundred hours in service when this machine started flying in Cape Town.
The blades were in fact removed three weeks ago because the 1 blade is short on time and the 2 year life of the TT straps is up!
Tail rotor components have also been upgraded due to advise from other operators and personal experience.
Why would I buy parts from NAC & Placo or parts logistics or IAP if I know that Bert has a scrapyard right there near home.

Again I repeat that anyone is or was always welcome to fly with the Huey back to Helibase and come and look for themselves. In fact the CAA themselves brought an inspector from Bristow to find all was in order.

BUT go home and read parts 94, 96 of the aviation legislation which clearly states that you may apply your own standards and maintenance procedures and use home made or non certified parts.

Why then did I apply both the military and civilian standards to the Huey and adopt military serviceing schedules to ensure the safety of the machine.

Because 14 people ride in that machine every day and even though I work for someone else I care enough to go there in my spare time to enforce those standards. The military specify a 7 page daily inspection which is not done on civilian aircraft. That inspection has been done every day and signed by an authorised person or inspector.

As To comments about the actual flying Francois took the trouble to invite high time Huey pilots from various operations to fly the Huey and give advise on characteristics of the machine.

One more comment. If I find a Eurocopter part that can replace the Bell part and give me better performance or safety and is easier to buy is it a "bogus" part. Bell helicopter created a problem for themselves and we also are affected because they wont sell parts for their machine to anyone including their own law enforcement agencies!.

B Sousa 27th Nov 2004 10:57

KK writes:"Surprise surprise!!!

What if I tell that 90 percent of the parts fitted to the flying Huey have AB part numbers and serial numbers and that in fact 4 of the Huey's at Helibase are actually AB 205's with 212 parts. This Huey was in fact fully maintained and overhauled by an Agusta subsidiary in Ethiopia."

The saying is "That Dog wont Hunt." 90% of the parts is like saying a little pregnant. In this game its all or none. Starting with an Airframe that came from Bell, for the Military. Transmission, for the Military. Engine, Lycoming for the Military. You can put new stuff on it till the cows come home and that wont change the fact that from what has been posted here (Rumors<<<) you cannot show a complete History on the Airframe, major components and that extra 10%.. (Complete History is like from the time it came out of the box to present) I saw the Data Plates and Im not buying your statement that they were made in Italy or under contract to Augusta-Bell
212 part numbers on a 205 is acceptable, but in some cases requires an STC.

"BUT go home and read parts 94, 96 of the aviation legislation which clearly states that you may apply your own standards and maintenance procedures and use home made or non certified parts."

That when applied to the Huey is Scary to say the least. Im certainly glad you didnt mention it before I flew it.


"Because 14 people ride in that machine every day and even though I work for someone else I care enough to go there in my spare time to enforce those standards. The military specify a 7 page daily inspection which is not done on civilian aircraft. That inspection has been done every day and signed by an authorised person or inspector."

One word...>>> Who?( Authorized to me, means certified and licensed by the CAA )

"As To comments about the actual flying Francois took the trouble to invite high time Huey pilots from various operations to fly the Huey and give advise on characteristics of the machine."

Bluntly, in one Ear and out the other.

"One more comment. If I find a Eurocopter part that can replace the Bell part and give me better performance or safety and is easier to buy is it a "bogus" part. Bell helicopter created a problem for themselves and we also are affected because they wont sell parts for their machine to anyone including their own law enforcement agencies!. "

First Eurocopter as I know it does not make replacment parts for Bell. If they did and it met specs, it would not be considered "Bogus"
Second, your wrong. Bell will sell you anything for a B205, which other than the Tail Rotor Assembly is much the same. What you do with it is your business. The Problem as I see it in this case is that the price is staggering. Why buy new when you can find other stuff?

I think Kennel Keeper should stay on the porch as everytime he looks for the bone, he just digs his hole deeper. Its only going to result in someone in SA giving him the Bone. There comes a time when Silence is Golden.....

Kennel Keeper 28th Nov 2004 04:18

Thank you Bert for the good advise.

I am departing to quieter pastures to participate in restoration of other toys where real parts and real money is available and where one can work in peace without criticism other than the judges at EAA.

I think my contribution to the Huey is over.

As A Final statement on this Huey forum I wish to thank all of those people who contributed over the last 5 years with advise and encouragement and who all made the fight worth burning the midnight oil. I will still run outside to look even if its only a CHC 212. Long live the Huey!!!

Watch the Pprune for new project postings.

carnivoruslegallus 28th Nov 2004 07:45

Adios Amigo! Go well Eddie!

Viva the Huey!:D

B Sousa 28th Nov 2004 09:53

What do you know ...a good point from Eddie. Sounds like the SPCA is knocking on the door.
I think it is time to put this to rest and I see no reason to inject anymore of my drivel here. Everything has been asked and answered at least twice and it wont change history.
Before going I would like to pose a question. There has been about 130+ postings and over 4600 hits on this thread alone.
What has been accomplished and who is reading this.
The only accomplishment that I see is about a dozen folks who normally get along, have pretty much severed ties.
Now as to the postings, they were made by a few and with viewings, probably account for lets say 1000 of the hits. That means there are 3000+ hits by whom??
Well, heres my best guess.
1. Bell Helicopters has a stake in this and Im sure watches it like a Hawk.
2. FAA/CAA, you know thats a fact...
3. Lawyers, We couldnt have a mess like this without them. Guarantee, some are on the fence waiting to see who has the deepest pockets.
4. Huey Owner, you bet. I met the guy and he seemed to be a pleasant dude, and I dont think he got a ton of money from being stupid. He certainly pulled off something that many others couldnt. Also for all you out there who kicked him around on a personal note, I will take my bet to Vegas that you will hear from him down the road.
5. Tourism Industry. have too be in there somewhere. Its big money all over the world and this could be a big knock in the Cape area. Anything that has been questioned for safety, they stay away from like the Plague.
6. Elvis........Hell yes, dont know the man, but it sounds like (rumors) this has cost him a few rand and he hasnt even flown it. Funny thing is the real Elvis made more money last year DEAD, than all of us will make in a lifetime..Thank you very much.
7. SA Helicopter Operators, certainly they are watching, as they know that this will affect them as to how much or how little the CAA has for power in the end. It will determine how close they have to monitor their own operations.
8. The News Media...you bet someone has been drooling in their cereal for a story.
Im sure there are more that should be mentioned, someone else can have a go.

Most Everyone here agrees, as to long live the Huey......Done correctly. IF someone wants to continue to haul in some money on a project like this they are going to have to do it in a different manner. Its going to take money to get it done, and it certainly should require that they work with, not against the SACAA as difficult as that may be. First suggestion is to stay away from a Surplus Huey and do up a B205. Most including some here wont know the difference.
Enough said
Bom Dia

Herc130 1st Dec 2004 16:07

CAA Lost Case!!!
 
After an abundently clear case of sheer legal incompetance, our intrepid CAA lost their case in the high court against Gary today!!! This again shows that the CAA is a toothless tiger, attempting to do right in a world where, who is paid, is worth more than who is right.

The huey is not airworthy and should not fly, whether airworthy or not, for commercial purposes, and the rest remains unsaid.....:hmm:

Gunship 1st Dec 2004 19:24

Cheers Eddie - your hard work will always remain in my memory bank and thanks what you gave us :ok:

Deanw 2nd Dec 2004 06:35

Apologies for the delay, but missed this article yesterday as too darn busy at work :yuk: :

Cape Times:


Huey helicopter parts war hits high court

December 1, 2004

By Fatima Schroeder

The owners of the Huey helicopter operating from the V&A Waterfront have taken the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to the Cape High Court for the return of the helicopter's airframe seized by the CAA after a precautionary landing last month.

But the CAA has lodged a counter-application for the return of the helicopter's engine that the director of Helicopter and Marine Services, which owns the aircraft, allegedly unlawfully removed after the landing.

The CAA says it is statutorily obliged to investigate the engine, but director Gary van der Merwe denies it was illegally removed. His counsel told the court he needs the frame so he can make money flying tourists during the Christmas season.

Helicopter and Marine Services leases the aircraft to the Huey Extreme Club.

In an affidavit Van der Merwe said the Huey took off on an exercise on November 20 this year and decided to return to the heliport at Culemborg. At a few metres above ground level the engine backfired and a precautionary landing had to be made.

The area was declared an accident scene and it was arranged for CAA officials from Pretoria to investigate. The officials photographed the Huey on the scene and made notes.


The next morning, Van der Merwe, an employee and an aircraft maintenance engineer removed the engine from the airframe in order to inspect it at the company's premises.

But CAA accident investigator Francois de Bruyn protested.

The two later agreed that De Bruyn would investigate the engine at the company's premises but when he failed to arrive, Van der Merwe dismantled it.

Van der Merwe later learnt that police were investigating the removal of the engine and that the airframe had been removed.

The CAA says it is statutorily obliged to perform an investigation into the engine and that the club and Helicopter and Marine Services were hampering this.

They are demanding the return of the engine and say the airframe cannot be returned unless the investigation is completed. But this cannot be done unless the engine is returned.

Van der Merwe said the engine backfiring was so insignificant that it did not warrant an investigation.

Justice John Foxcroft has reserved judgment.



clipboard 4th Dec 2004 21:05

So what's the latest?

Rumour has it that Gary won his Court case with costs against the SACAA, but no one has posted any information here, and neither have the newspapers carried any story. Apparantly the judge ruled that the SACAA was harrassing him with all their actions, and that they should return his helicopter.

Someone told me today that the helicopter is back at the Helibase, and that they were putting it together and that it should be ready for flight again soon.

Does anyone have any info on this?:confused: :ok:

Deanw 6th Dec 2004 07:01

Cape Times: December 6, 2004


Huey to fly again as owners win legal war

'CAA acted unlawfully'

By Fatima Schroeder

Just in time for the busy tourism season in the Mother City, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) must return the airframe of a Vietnam War helicopter seized after a precautionary landing last month.

The owners of the aircraft, Helicopter and Marine Services, and the Huey Extreme Club have been embroiled in a legal battle with the CAA.

The owners and club, which were in possession of the aircraft's engine, wanted the airframe returned to them, but the CAA, which had the airframe, lodged a counter-application demanding the engine in order to conduct an investigation.

The owner wanted the airframe returned so that he could make money flying tourists during the Christmas season.

The helicopter is one of 10 000 manufactured by the Bell Helicopter company for the US military during the war in Vietnam.

In court papers the CAA claimed that Helicopter and Marine Services director Gary van der Merwe illegally removed and dismantled the engine after the precautionary landing, hampering its statutory obligations to investigate it.

In his affidavit Van der Merwe said the Huey took off on an exercise on November 20 and decided to return to the heliport at Culemborg.

But a few metres above the ground the engine backfired and a precautionary landing had to be performed at Cape Town International Airport.


The CAA said it was statutorily obliged to investigate the state of the engine.

In Thursday's judgment Justice John Foxcroft said: "Far from Mr Van der Merwe's conduct in removing his company's engine from the helicopter being unlawful, (the CAA's) confiscation of the helicopter airframe was itself unlawful since it was not backed by the appropriate statutory authority."

He added that CAA aircraft accident investigator Francois de Bruyn did not have the authority to confiscate the airframe and was only meant to assist an investigator-in-charge.

De Bruyn "had no authority to remove the helicopter in the first place" and Helicopter and Marine Services was entitled to the return of its property.

There was no evidence that the engine was ever lawfully in the CAA's control, although "they certainly had the right to inspect it".

"Helicopter and Marine Services had tendered full inspection of the engine a number of times but the CAA had refused to take up the offer, maintaining it was conditional upon the return of the airframe".

The CAA had no right to hold the airframe and should have accepted the tender to inspect the engine. There was accordingly no substance in the counter-application.

Judge Foxcroft ordered that the airframe be returned and dismissed the counter-application.

Goffel 6th Dec 2004 20:22

Nothing but a hound dog
 
:E
Nothing gets my hormones going as sitting on my stoep,watching the waves break,drinking a nice cold frostie.

But when my wife hears that "whoop whoop" sound followed by "nothing but a hound dog" blaring,

THEN

I definitely know I am going to get lucky.

Oh yes,thats the sound she heard this afternoon.(me,Im still smiling).

Well done to the Huey.(sorry for the rest of you cynics).

:8

carnivoruslegallus 7th Dec 2004 19:53

Yo Goffel;) , glad you got lucky my man!:ok:

The Huey should be gracing the Cape skies again by the end of the week if all goes well.

Viva the Huey! I hope it got fixed properly this time. Please Huey team, no disappointments OK!
:ok:

Bravedave 7th Dec 2004 20:30

You poor, sad, damp eye'd Huey fans - what happens when, down wind, 50' agl, Blouberg beach, weekend warrior PPL at the helm, said "backfire' (engine failure) occurs. 15 unsuspecting, uninsured, foreign "club members" aboard. WHAT THEN MY FRIENDS ?? This is not about museum piece Shackleton type fun but the safety of pax and the reputation of our industry - what's left.

BAKELA 8th Dec 2004 12:13


15 unsuspecting, uninsured, foreign "club members" aboard. WHAT THEN MY FRIENDS ??
:sad: The same as an attack on a foreign (Japanese?) visitor on the slopes of Table Mountain. OUTRAGE! But too late. :sad:

Deanw 9th Dec 2004 13:25

Not about the Huey, but a related item from today's Cape Times:


Bank sues well-known city businessman, aviation company for R5.59m

December 9, 2004

By Fatima Schroeder

Imperial Bank is suing Court Aviation (Pty) Limited and well known Cape Town businessman Gary van der Merwe in the Cape High Court for R5.59 million after the company allegedly did not pay instalments on an aircraft on time.

The company admits it did not pay regular instalments but has lodged a counter-claim for more than R2m in payments already made.

It alleges it is entitled to a refund after Imperial Bank had failed to hand over the aircraft's log books as stipulated in a written agreement.

In court papers it emerged that Imperial Bank, Court Aviation and Van der Merwe entered into an agreement and suretyship in Edenvale on December 19, 2002.

In terms of the agreement, Imperial sold used aircraft to Court Aviation for R14.83m, payable in 12 instalments of R190 000 each, 47 instalments of R261 581 each and one instalment of R261 581.

Imperial would remain the owner of the aircraft until the instalments were fully paid.

If Court Aviation failed to pay instalments timeously, Imperial could cancel the agreement, repossess the aircraft and recover the outstanding amount less the aircraft's value at the time of possession.

Imperial claims Van der Merwe failed to pay a R190 000 instalment due on June 7 last year despite Imperial's demands for payment.

Imperial cancelled the agreement and alleged it was entitled to take possession of the aircraft.

But Court Aviation failed to deliver the aircraft and, on November 17 last year, the Cape High Court ordered it to hand over the aircraft and log books to Imperial, pending the outcome of this action.

The aircraft was delivered three days later and its value was estimated to be R10.53m.

Imperial says Court Aviation is obliged to pay it R5.59m and that, as surety and co-principal debtor, Van der Merwe is liable for the amount.

In responding papers, Court Aviation admits it failed to pay the instalment, but claims Imperial failed to deliver all the log books.

The company says this is in breach of the agreement and it is therefore entitled to cancel the agreement and claim a refund of payments made.

Van der Merwe claims that his attention was not drawn to the fact that the agreement incorporated a deed of suretyship, from which he was later released in an oral agreement.

Justice Selwyn Selikowitz ordered Imperial to provide Court Aviation and Van der Merwe with documents it intended using during the court proceedings.
It should be noted that the 'Court Aviation (Pty) Ltd' is not related to Court Helicopters, now CHC Helicopters South Africa (Pty) Ltd. (That was the subject of another court case!).

Deanw 9th Dec 2004 16:04

Well, it's 7pm at the Huey has just taken off from Helibase, heading towards the Waterfront ...

HedgePig 13th Dec 2004 10:48

It's Rumoured...
 
Heard via a pilot friend of mine that the Huey did another precautionary landing in Blaauwberg this weekend, spent an hour or two there and then returned to base.

Any takers?

BAKELA 13th Dec 2004 18:08

With or without paying pax remains the question. Club or commercial air service remains the question. PPL's or Com/ATP remains the question. Legal/illegal helipad remains the question. Floats or no floats remains...please stop for goodness sake...!!!

I just wish that somebody would either:

1. Stop the circus (if it's a show?);or,
2. Give the tiger back it's teeth (if it's a tiger?).

A final legal/liability decision now needs to be reached on this matter (by the relavant (competent?) authorities) and I am of the opinion that the Huey thread has now been slagged to death and needs to be aneathisized (spelling?) on this forum.

Edited for Gr I spelling. :O

bladestrap 13th Dec 2004 18:35

I go outa town......

Just got back from being outa town for a coupla weeks, and lotsa things seem to have been happenin with da Huey.:confused:

I believe that they've had an engine failure and after winning a court case, the Huey is up an runnin again.

Well I luv that Huey, and I've always thought that the boys were doing a damn good job.

After chatting to some people real close to the Huey, it seems that a number of things went wrong, resulting in them changing an engine. Apparently the SACAA werent happy about it, but the Court ruled in Gary's favor, and he is entitled to proceed as before, and have since been doing the tourist thing.

It appears that the Huey is now again fully servicable, and that revenue flights commenced this past weekend.

I really do hope that they've got it together in a big way this time, and that it is safe & airworthy.

Come on guys, tell us what's goin on!

:ok:

BAKELA 13th Dec 2004 19:11


the Huey thread has now been slagged to death
BS, you've just added, bolded, undelined and indented the above.

Daiseycutter just uncovered a whole new aspect to this saga.

It would previously have been unethical for me to divulge source identities but I can confirm that:

• carnivoruslegallus
• clipboard
• bladestrap

are all posting from the same terminal. Now as to whether they are the same person is a matter of conjecture but it if you review this thread with the knowledge that these three personalities could all be the same person, then this book reads in a whole different light.
I also beleive in father x-mas, the easter bunny...:suspect:

clipboard 31st Dec 2004 17:56

The Cape Argus 31 December 2004.

Vietnam-era Huey to go under the hammer

by Karyn Maughan
Staff Reporter

A Partially shelled Huey Helicopter "on skids" will go under the hammer in two weeks after a series of legal wrangles between its owner and the V&A Waterfront.

Gary van der Merwe is the director of Helicopter and Marine Services, which owns the Green Bell Huey UH1H set for auction at the Culemborg helibase on January 14.

Van der Merwe, his two co-directors and his company secretary were arrested for alleged company tax offences and share fraud involving several million rand in October. They were all released on bail.

Van der Merwe also faces charges under the Exchange Control Act after being arrested at Cape Town International Airport for allegedly trying to smuggle R1,5 million in cash out of the country. The cash was returned to him after the Assets Forfeiture Unit failed to file the paperwork necessary to keep the money.

Van der Merwe was at the centre of public controversy when two of his helicopters collided at the Waterfront during a practice stunt for the Fear Factor TV Show some years ago. His company faced accident costs of R12m for the unautorised stunt, after its insurance company refused to pay. The firm was later placed under final liquidation.

The Waterfront has named Helicopter and Marine Services and the MV Cape Endurance, a ship owned by the company and understood to have been berthed at the Waerfront, as its debtors in its Cape High Court sale in execution notice.

Helicopter and Marine Services leases aircraft to the Huey Extreme Club, which has also been involved with litigation with the Waterfront.

Earlier this month, Helicopter and Marine Services asked the High Court to force the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to return a Huey airframe it had seized after a precautionary landing last month.

The CAA lodged a counter-application for the return of the helicopter's engine, which van der Merwe allegedly unlawfully removed after the landing.

It could not be confirmed that the shelled Huey and the helicopter whose parts were seized are the same helicopter.

Earlier this year, the Waterfront sought an order stopping Helicopter and Marine Services and the Huey Extreme Club from flying an allegedly "un-airworthy" ex-military Huey from its its helipad as "each time the Huey flies in contravention of the grounding order", the Waterfront was "at serious risk".

Although cited as a respondent in the case, the CAA said it supported the Waterfront's efforts to enforce the grounding of the Huey. It emerged in court that the Huey was built from four helicopters which had served in the United STates, Israeli and Ethiopian air forces.

Mr. Justice Jock Comrie dismissed the application.

Deanw 13th Jan 2005 06:42

Cape Times: 13 January 2005


Van der Merwe's court bid for return of R1.52m forex fails

By Fatima Schroeder

The Cape High Court has dismissed an application by well-known businessman Gary van der Merwe for the return of R1.52 million in foreign currency seized from him at Cape Town International Airport in July last year.

The money was in euros and US dollars.

During the court proceedings, however, Van der Merwe's counsel abandoned the claim for the return of the dollars and proceeded with that for the Û130 000 (about R1.02m).

Van der Merwe claimed in court papers that he had planned to take his family and friends on an extended holiday in the Mediterranean.

They had left before him so he could attend to his business and his flight for Las Palmas, through London, had been scheduled for July 13 last year.

He had completed a declaration under the Customs and Excise Act giving the amount in foreign currency that he was taking with him.

But, after an inspection of his luggage, a police official seized currency. The money was counted and placed in a sealed bag.

Van der Merwe was arrested and released on bail the following day.

He turned to the high court in an attempt to recover
the money and alleged that it was being held without just cause.

He also claimed that he needed the money because the vessel that his family had boarded as part of their trip was stranded in Las Palmas because of a lack of funds.

The money had been seized at the airport on the grounds that Van der Merwe had contravened the exchange control regulations by allegedly making a fraudulent declaration.

The regulations say that any money seized should be forfeited automatically to the National Revenue Fund unless the Treasury directs that it be returned to the person from whom it has been seized.

Days after the money was seized, the commissioner of SA Revenue Services (SARS) issued a notice under a section of the Income Tax Act claiming that the money should be forwarded to SARS because Van der Merwe or his company, the Wellness International Network, owed it money.

In a judgment handed down yesterday, Justice Rosheni Allie agreed with Van der Merwe's legal team that the state had failed to prove that the businessman owed money to SARS.

"In my opinion, the (commissioner) was not entitled to receive the funds for two reasons," she said.

"First, because (SARS) had not shown that any tax, interest or penalty was due. Second, because the funds were not held on behalf of (Van der Merwe) at the time and were in fact forfeited to the National Revenue Fund."

Judge Allie found that the money had been forfeited to the National Revenue Fund and that this had been done legitimately. It should be held in terms of the provision on forfeiture, she said.

She dismissed the application with costs, but warned: "The respondents would do well to heed the finding that (the commissioner) was not entitled to hold the funds.. and to correct their administrative bungling."

Van der Merwe's counsel, Brian Pincus, SC, told the Cape Times yesterday his client was considering his position and might seek leave to appeal against the judgment.
Edited to correct date

Gunship 15th Jan 2005 05:45

Seems like Elvis came out as the "winner" here ... shows you .. the dude is alive and well on his 70th "birthday" :}

Gunship 30th Jan 2005 13:08

Where is the Huey ?
 
I heard Manus Steyn flies the Huey now ?

I was in CT four times over the Xmass season and did not see the Huey once.

Sure beats that Robbie flapping over the Waterdronk ;)

B Sousa 30th Jan 2005 16:07

Guns writes: "I heard Manus Steyn flies the Huey now ?"

As has been mentioned here beforeThat aircraft is/was operating due to a court order. Whether that is still in effect is not known. The latest from the CAA is that IT HAS NO Airworthiness Certificate.
I would have to question the intelligence of anyone who knows this yet continues to fly. Its a real "in your face" to the CAA. Of all the folks you need to get through life as a Pilot in SA, I dont think I would want the CAA on my ass for life. Wherther you like them or not, they are there and just like an ex-wife, they will never forget you........Am I wrong Guns??

Gunship 30th Jan 2005 16:19

From Bert ..

and just like an ex-wife, they will never forget you........Am I wrong Guns??
I do not have an ex-wife but I can tell you if things aint right it is absurd to fly the machine.

I know Manus as a very professional pilot - therefore the rumour was very strange that I heard ? :o

PS: Don't leave that Saffer wife - they are quite scarce to sit in La$ Vega$ and all ... ;)

bladestrap 31st Jan 2005 07:26

The Huey is a great helicopter and the Huey Xtreme Club have many fans including myself. There are a number of Cape Town based fans that have stood by the Huey through thick & thin, supported it and defended it from criticism, albeit controversial at times, and that included me. At this time, as a fan, I can only comment on what I have personally observed during the past few months from visits to the Club's facilities.

It has become apparent to me that the owners have lost interest in maintaining the status of the Huey as the number one "flying tourist" attraction in Cape Town. On numerous visits to the Club's Headquarters at the Waterfront, the Huey was just parked there, and not flying. Sometimes there was no pilot to fly it, or it was'nt flying because the wind was to strong, or it was plagued by maintenance problems. The media reported extensively on those problems, the subsequent court cases and the fact that the High Court ruled that it could fly.

Recently it was rumoured that they have again had major delamination problems with the main rotor blades, resulting in the cancellation of flights and excessive down time of the Huey.

Its a shame that this is happening, and that the Huey is not as often in the skies as it used to be. Its also a shame that the owners are not applying their resources to keep the Huey in a tip top flying condition. There are rumours in abundance that the Huey is in bad shape, that it is kitted out with timex parts monitored by the owner as "on condition", and that there is no qualified engineer maintaining the bird.

***News 24 reported in the media this last week that Mr. Gary van der Merwe appeared in the Belville Magistrate Court on 8 charges of fraud and tax evasion of at least R12million. He appeared with his secretary Ms. Karin Hoge, who is also facing 8 charges of fraud, and two former directors of World Online Limited and Wellness International Network Limited, Mr. Paul Killian and Tyrone Oates. All 4 have been released on bail varying from R20 000 to R60 000. The provisional charge sheet imply that investors lost approximately R6million in a scam by investing in World Online Limited, a Mauritius registered Company. There are also several charges against the four for VAT fraud and tax violations. Mr. van der Merwe's legal team asked for a postponement of the matter in order to obtain more particulars on the matter. The accused will re-appear in Court on 22 April. **

B Sousa 31st Jan 2005 15:02

It seems every time that we are reminded of how much fun the Huey was, how much money was made, and how much the aircraft flew in contravention to all the rules Professional Pilots live by.............................Another Professional Pilot jumps in and says he would like to be there punching holes in the sky; even faced with the knowledge that its everything that he would normally scream about at his place of employment should it be happening there.
Whats wrong with this picture.

barryt 24th Feb 2005 08:54

What is the latest on this lot? Is the Huey legally flying again? A Huey flew over my house in Muizenberg yesterday. With all the talk in this forum I am sh*t scared it's going to come down on my house one day...

carnivoruslegallus 24th Feb 2005 20:47

barryt:ok: Of course the Huey is flying. It has never stopped flying. Except of course when the guys did essential maintenance like replacing a "seized" or an "exploded" engine, changing delaminated main rotor blades, repairing cracked main rotor blades etc.;) Hell, the machine is in good nick. Its going better than ever before!

Don't worry my boy, Gary's legal team will keep you covered in the event of a mishap. They're gonna insure that the Huey never crashes on YOUR house or anyone else's for that matter.:ok:

Sit back, relax and watch the Huey make a mockery of the toothless/useless SACAA.

Viva the Huey!:{


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