Win Heli's and Huey get wind in the face
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Win Heli's and it's Huey get wind in the face - AGAIN !
And now the Politicians jump on WIN and Francois Marais ... eisch swaer ... a newspaper clip from the Burger. Surely you guys are not happy Francois ?
Can these politicians not get enough when a man is trying to make something out of nothing ?
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Die bedrywighede van een van die jongste helikopter-ondernemings wat in die Kaapse metropool op die toerismemark ingestel is, is in die weegskaal ná vrae oor die veiligheid van sy Culemborg-landingsplek.
Dit blyk ook uit 'n brief dat die operateur van Win Helikopters nie verlof van die stadsraad se grondgebruik-bestuursafdeling gekry het om die landingsplek langs die N1 te gebruik nie, en dat optrede teen hom oorweeg word.
Mnr. Gary van der Merwe van Win Helikopters het gister gesê hy het nie die stadsraad se verlof nodig nie, aangesien dit nywerheidsgrond is.
Die herrie volg op 'n navraag van mnr. Pierre-Jeanne Gerber, ANC-LP, op 17 Februarie aan die burgemeester, mev. Nomaindia Mfeketo, oor die situasie. In sy skrywe het Gerber daarop gewys dat "net die sifdraad" motorryers en die landende of opstygende helikopters skei.
"Met die Kaapse stormwinde is hierdie situasie 'n ongeluk wat net wag om te gebeur." Hy vra dus dat die saak ondersoek word, het Gerber geskryf.
Nou het mnr. Kevin Ketterer, direkteur van vervoer, paaie en stormwater by die stadsraad, Gerber per brief ingelig die stadsraad se grondgebruik-bestuursafdeling het geen aansoek van die onderneming gekry om die landingsplek te gebruik nie. Volgens Ketterer kan hy uit 'n verkeersveiligheidsoogpunt nie die helikoptergebruik op die spesifieke terrein ondersteun nie en het hy die saak dus na die grondgebruik-inspektoraat verwys "vir die nodige optrede teen die operateur van die helikopter".
Gerber het gister gesê dit gaan oor niks anders as veiligheid nie. Dit pla hom dat almal van verkeersveiligheid praat, maar niemand nog die gevaar van die situasie ingesien en gekla het nie.
In sy reaksie het Van der Merwe gesê die klagtes is nuus vir hom. "Dis die eerste keer dat ek hiervan hoor. Dit is 'n nywerheidsgebied en die wet bepaal dat ek net die verlof van die eienaar nodig het. En ek het die verlof van die eienaar gekry nog voordat ek die huurkontrak gesluit het.
"Ek is al maande lank hier en ons het nog geen klagtes gekry nie. Ek weet nie waarvan die mense praat nie. Hier is duisende vierkante meters om op te land en daar is geen gevaar nie. Die Burgerlugvaartowerheid het ons seker al 20 keer besoek, en as dit gevaarlik was, sou hy ons gestop het."
In Januarie was daar ook 'n herrie oor die registrasie van die Huey-helikopter wat Win Helikopters gebruik. Daar is gesê dit is nie vir die vervoer van passasiers geregistreer nie.
Can these politicians not get enough when a man is trying to make something out of nothing ?
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Die bedrywighede van een van die jongste helikopter-ondernemings wat in die Kaapse metropool op die toerismemark ingestel is, is in die weegskaal ná vrae oor die veiligheid van sy Culemborg-landingsplek.
Dit blyk ook uit 'n brief dat die operateur van Win Helikopters nie verlof van die stadsraad se grondgebruik-bestuursafdeling gekry het om die landingsplek langs die N1 te gebruik nie, en dat optrede teen hom oorweeg word.
Mnr. Gary van der Merwe van Win Helikopters het gister gesê hy het nie die stadsraad se verlof nodig nie, aangesien dit nywerheidsgrond is.
Die herrie volg op 'n navraag van mnr. Pierre-Jeanne Gerber, ANC-LP, op 17 Februarie aan die burgemeester, mev. Nomaindia Mfeketo, oor die situasie. In sy skrywe het Gerber daarop gewys dat "net die sifdraad" motorryers en die landende of opstygende helikopters skei.
"Met die Kaapse stormwinde is hierdie situasie 'n ongeluk wat net wag om te gebeur." Hy vra dus dat die saak ondersoek word, het Gerber geskryf.
Nou het mnr. Kevin Ketterer, direkteur van vervoer, paaie en stormwater by die stadsraad, Gerber per brief ingelig die stadsraad se grondgebruik-bestuursafdeling het geen aansoek van die onderneming gekry om die landingsplek te gebruik nie. Volgens Ketterer kan hy uit 'n verkeersveiligheidsoogpunt nie die helikoptergebruik op die spesifieke terrein ondersteun nie en het hy die saak dus na die grondgebruik-inspektoraat verwys "vir die nodige optrede teen die operateur van die helikopter".
Gerber het gister gesê dit gaan oor niks anders as veiligheid nie. Dit pla hom dat almal van verkeersveiligheid praat, maar niemand nog die gevaar van die situasie ingesien en gekla het nie.
In sy reaksie het Van der Merwe gesê die klagtes is nuus vir hom. "Dis die eerste keer dat ek hiervan hoor. Dit is 'n nywerheidsgebied en die wet bepaal dat ek net die verlof van die eienaar nodig het. En ek het die verlof van die eienaar gekry nog voordat ek die huurkontrak gesluit het.
"Ek is al maande lank hier en ons het nog geen klagtes gekry nie. Ek weet nie waarvan die mense praat nie. Hier is duisende vierkante meters om op te land en daar is geen gevaar nie. Die Burgerlugvaartowerheid het ons seker al 20 keer besoek, en as dit gevaarlik was, sou hy ons gestop het."
In Januarie was daar ook 'n herrie oor die registrasie van die Huey-helikopter wat Win Helikopters gebruik. Daar is gesê dit is nie vir die vervoer van passasiers geregistreer nie.
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It astonishes me that there are so may people who are doing everything to find fault with the Huey operation. True, this is something out of the ordinary.......but why, I ask everyone, is there such a focussed opposition to the Huey operation. It almost seems to me that there is some vendetta being conducted against this enterprise.
I have observed the operation since its inception...that is the test flying stage, and have in fact been aboard on one of its first Huey test hovers at Culembourg. The test pilot was a well known and competent helicopter pilot. I have subsequently enjoyed two of the simulated Viet Nam style flights, and both were most enjoyable. I have also been on board the Huey several times when it landed at Culembourg, and NEVER was there dust to the degree that it affected traffic. Approaches to the Culembourg helipad were always flown from the Southern side, i.e never from the road side.
There has been a fair amount of critical reporting on the Huey operation...and I am sure that the CAA must be aware of this. So I assume that they would have paid some attention to the Huey operation by now, and if something was wrong, they would have acted. The Huey flighs continue, so I assume everything is OK from the CAA perspective.
I have observed the operation since its inception...that is the test flying stage, and have in fact been aboard on one of its first Huey test hovers at Culembourg. The test pilot was a well known and competent helicopter pilot. I have subsequently enjoyed two of the simulated Viet Nam style flights, and both were most enjoyable. I have also been on board the Huey several times when it landed at Culembourg, and NEVER was there dust to the degree that it affected traffic. Approaches to the Culembourg helipad were always flown from the Southern side, i.e never from the road side.
There has been a fair amount of critical reporting on the Huey operation...and I am sure that the CAA must be aware of this. So I assume that they would have paid some attention to the Huey operation by now, and if something was wrong, they would have acted. The Huey flighs continue, so I assume everything is OK from the CAA perspective.
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Agree Mike ... this has all the medical ingridients for a Vendetta against a company that is making money and have pax.
Such a shame that people can not work together but against each other.
Sorry do not get the English translation.
Anybody help - my Inglish is too bad ...
Such a shame that people can not work together but against each other.
Sorry do not get the English translation.
Anybody help - my Inglish is too bad ...
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Guns, No need for an English translation. I have a good South African Vrou. I just wish she would translate the names she calls me once in a while...........ha ha
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Black netting
This morning while driving in to work, they were busy putting up some very dark shade cloth or netting of some sort. Not exactly sure why, now it only spoils the only thing to look forward to when going to a non-flying work each day. I drive past the site each day and when the N1 is blessed with a Huey strutting its stuff, I have not suffered from dust obscuring my view. The only day which I have seen the Huey land from the N1 side, was when a fairly strong southeasterly were blowing, and then the only danger was probably from all the people gawking at a magnificent flying machine and not paying much attention to what is happening to the car in front of them!
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Prejudiced Burger
Since the arrival of the Huey in Cape Town the Burger in particular has had a lot to say in regard to negative publicity.
Funny thing is that despite direct invitation to the people who write the articles not one of these people has had the decency to come to Helibase and actually investigate the other side of the story. Maybe generating income from tourism and trying to build infrastructure to support better helicopter facilities near the city is not sensational enough.
I firmly believe that once again the Win opposition ( Read ZU 205 flying packs) are still trying by any means possible to close this operation. This article and the related stirring in political circles smells badly of jealousy again.
What is wrong with us South Africans? We never seem to be able to see the sun shine on any body else.
Surely we can all work together or try to help build or develop better infrastructure which may benifit the whole aviation community. There appears to be a need within this city for a heliport with the new conference centre and other development. Surely there would be enough work for everybody. WHY go and make political noises to destroy a potential money spinner.
I find it strange that people (read opposition) would deliberately try to stop a development or idea that they too could benifit from.
Funny thing is that this story is being driven by the very people who depend on helicopter operations. What if these politicians suddenly decide that they want to ban all helicopters over Cape Town based on all the issues raised here. I mean they could easily object to the dust at the Waterfront and close that down aswell.
Come on guys stop crying and get busy looking at how we can better serve the tourist with lots of bucks to spend in aviation!!!!
Funny thing is that despite direct invitation to the people who write the articles not one of these people has had the decency to come to Helibase and actually investigate the other side of the story. Maybe generating income from tourism and trying to build infrastructure to support better helicopter facilities near the city is not sensational enough.
I firmly believe that once again the Win opposition ( Read ZU 205 flying packs) are still trying by any means possible to close this operation. This article and the related stirring in political circles smells badly of jealousy again.
What is wrong with us South Africans? We never seem to be able to see the sun shine on any body else.
Surely we can all work together or try to help build or develop better infrastructure which may benifit the whole aviation community. There appears to be a need within this city for a heliport with the new conference centre and other development. Surely there would be enough work for everybody. WHY go and make political noises to destroy a potential money spinner.
I find it strange that people (read opposition) would deliberately try to stop a development or idea that they too could benifit from.
Funny thing is that this story is being driven by the very people who depend on helicopter operations. What if these politicians suddenly decide that they want to ban all helicopters over Cape Town based on all the issues raised here. I mean they could easily object to the dust at the Waterfront and close that down aswell.
Come on guys stop crying and get busy looking at how we can better serve the tourist with lots of bucks to spend in aviation!!!!
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I fail to understand how CHILDISH and IMMATURE some people can be. The level they seem to be sinking to to try and remove the opposition is quite pathetic. Can't they grown up and act like adults? Obviously not. Really what is their problem? Now have they got the newspapers and politicians on their side as well? One wonders how much they gave to the NNP/ANC coffers to get them to start mumbling?
I was going past their base the other day, when one lifted off and I hardly noticed any dust, dirt etc coming up when it got airborne.
I think the whole problem with the Huey's is one of sour grapes and jealously. If certain people go on the way they do, then they should not be allowed to operate a car never mind a helicopter. We should be encouraging more of these helicopters around here. Having read chicken hawk, it certainly must have been quite a beast to fly, yet saved many people's lives in exceptional circumstances. With its record I would much rather flying in one of those than a Jet Ranger.
(By the way can enyone tell me when the opposing helicopter operator is going to start flying their DC9 to the Kruger Park, I need to make some bookings ??!!)
For @&#^$ sake grow up and let your opposition fly and do their thing to promote tourism. By the way are they the perfect operation?
I was going past their base the other day, when one lifted off and I hardly noticed any dust, dirt etc coming up when it got airborne.
I think the whole problem with the Huey's is one of sour grapes and jealously. If certain people go on the way they do, then they should not be allowed to operate a car never mind a helicopter. We should be encouraging more of these helicopters around here. Having read chicken hawk, it certainly must have been quite a beast to fly, yet saved many people's lives in exceptional circumstances. With its record I would much rather flying in one of those than a Jet Ranger.
(By the way can enyone tell me when the opposing helicopter operator is going to start flying their DC9 to the Kruger Park, I need to make some bookings ??!!)
For @&#^$ sake grow up and let your opposition fly and do their thing to promote tourism. By the way are they the perfect operation?
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Eeesch, what can one say?
Rumour has it that WIN's opposition in the Waterfront have teamed up as one, and are still trying their outmost to get the Huey banned from the Waterfront. I fail to understand the logic behind all of this, but it must be due to pure jealousy. The Huey is obviously a success, and due to the fact that the idea of operating a warbird out of the Waterfront did not cross their minds first, and they are obviously losing business due to that, they want it removed.
I find it hard to understand that these guys are always into each other's hair, but yet they sub charter to each other and when one does something that the other does'nt like, then all the filth in the world are spread about each other. Rumour has it that one operator, who is part of the three that have teamed up against WIN, is now sueing one other due to a maintenance problem on a Long Ranger. They need each other to team up against WIN, but when the tides turn where one screws up, they are quick to threaten each other with lawsuits. Like real kids!!! I find it amazing though that these guys all think they run the perfect business, and that they are faultless, but just talk to the maintenance people and a few people close to the industry, then you will hear mind boggling stories that are kept so secret, it will take PI's to unravel it. It is also kept very far from the CAA. I have often wondered how the CAA will react to some of the screw ups by so called professional aviation people?
Rumour has it that little Elvis is spreading the word that they are in the process of buying not one, but two Hueys to compete with WIN's Huey. Now would'nt it be great to see three Hueys operating out of the Waterfront? I wonder how Rotorhead will react to that. Will he start a new thread, or will he apply for a job? Must say, he's gone rather quiet these days. One does not see any postings from him anymore.
Another that amazes me, is the childishness of some of these so called "adults". When the WIN pilots crashed the two Jetrangers on the Helipad, they were rediculed by the opposition. Little Elvis went as far as warning pax not to fly at WIN, because the pilot who would be flying them, is a pilot who crashed a helicopter on the pad, and he may "kill" them, but now that particular pilot is working for him! One can only wonder what he tells his pax now. Does he still scare them off? I doubt it! I think the dollars speak louder than anything!!
Putting all these things together, and looking at the threads, talking to people in the industry etc, one can only wonder how it is possible for these companies to survive? It appears that each one knows more about the other people's business than their own.
What I also fail to understand is why the sun is not allowed to shine on anyone else. Must the sun always only shine on these self centred, egotistical, self righteous individuals? They all profess to be pro's, but one can only wonder how professional these guys can be if they continuously have something adverse to say about each other. Surely, being professional is keeping your business to yourself, and never to redicule someone else, in case the wheels someday turns?
I rest my case!!!
Rumour has it that WIN's opposition in the Waterfront have teamed up as one, and are still trying their outmost to get the Huey banned from the Waterfront. I fail to understand the logic behind all of this, but it must be due to pure jealousy. The Huey is obviously a success, and due to the fact that the idea of operating a warbird out of the Waterfront did not cross their minds first, and they are obviously losing business due to that, they want it removed.
I find it hard to understand that these guys are always into each other's hair, but yet they sub charter to each other and when one does something that the other does'nt like, then all the filth in the world are spread about each other. Rumour has it that one operator, who is part of the three that have teamed up against WIN, is now sueing one other due to a maintenance problem on a Long Ranger. They need each other to team up against WIN, but when the tides turn where one screws up, they are quick to threaten each other with lawsuits. Like real kids!!! I find it amazing though that these guys all think they run the perfect business, and that they are faultless, but just talk to the maintenance people and a few people close to the industry, then you will hear mind boggling stories that are kept so secret, it will take PI's to unravel it. It is also kept very far from the CAA. I have often wondered how the CAA will react to some of the screw ups by so called professional aviation people?
Rumour has it that little Elvis is spreading the word that they are in the process of buying not one, but two Hueys to compete with WIN's Huey. Now would'nt it be great to see three Hueys operating out of the Waterfront? I wonder how Rotorhead will react to that. Will he start a new thread, or will he apply for a job? Must say, he's gone rather quiet these days. One does not see any postings from him anymore.
Another that amazes me, is the childishness of some of these so called "adults". When the WIN pilots crashed the two Jetrangers on the Helipad, they were rediculed by the opposition. Little Elvis went as far as warning pax not to fly at WIN, because the pilot who would be flying them, is a pilot who crashed a helicopter on the pad, and he may "kill" them, but now that particular pilot is working for him! One can only wonder what he tells his pax now. Does he still scare them off? I doubt it! I think the dollars speak louder than anything!!
Putting all these things together, and looking at the threads, talking to people in the industry etc, one can only wonder how it is possible for these companies to survive? It appears that each one knows more about the other people's business than their own.
What I also fail to understand is why the sun is not allowed to shine on anyone else. Must the sun always only shine on these self centred, egotistical, self righteous individuals? They all profess to be pro's, but one can only wonder how professional these guys can be if they continuously have something adverse to say about each other. Surely, being professional is keeping your business to yourself, and never to redicule someone else, in case the wheels someday turns?
I rest my case!!!
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This thread & the Thunder City thread are really humming. A lot of heat coming out of CT right now.
I'll let you in on a little secret. As a mod, I can see where the various posts are coming from. And all is not as it seems. I couldn't put it better than the RED warning at the bottom of the page.
Keep it cool folks - this is a rumour forum. If you really want to have a go at each other do it by PM or email. But keep us posted.
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Keep it cool folks - this is a rumour forum. If you really want to have a go at each other do it by PM or email. But keep us posted.
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hmmm.how many post have I got...160something, lets see how many this guy has, uh...4, and this oke....7, and this guy.....3
good thing I'm not paranoid , but that doesnt mean they arent out to get somebody!!
ding sing ding....next round
good thing I'm not paranoid , but that doesnt mean they arent out to get somebody!!
ding sing ding....next round
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Now what???
Skaz,
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day but seem to be missing the point in your post above? Have no clue what it's about. 
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