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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 22:56
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New private Lagos-based Nigerian start-up, Green Africa Airways has put in an order for 50 Boeing 737 MAX8s with options for another 50!
The CEO is Babawande Afolabi, formerly a senior Morgan Stanley senior executive. Amongst the promoters is Tim Horton, former President of American Airlines.
Goodness knows where the funding is coming from, or if it’s coming, or if this is yet another Nigerian venture that will never come to fruition despite several hundreds of millions of dollars disappearing and never being accounted for
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 21:32
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The CEO is Babawande Afolabi, formerly a senior Morgan Stanley senior executive. Amongst the promoters is Tim Horton, former President of American Airlines.
Goodness knows where the funding is coming from, or if it’s coming, or if this is yet another Nigerian venture that will never come to fruition despite several hundreds of millions of dollars disappearing and never being accounted for
Sign of the times that there is zero interest in discussing what should have been an interesting development in the long running saga of aviation in Nigeria . What is it -- Cynicism ? Weariness ? Apathy ? Maybe the short lived Nigeria Air project may have something to do with it .

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45587143)

It does beg the question--why is yet another launch project on the table , after the previous debacles .? Why is a company like Boeing throwing it's hat in the ring (again) given past dubious financial history of Nigerian aviation affairs ?

I know the truth may never be told , but with elections round the corner , the subject needs to be aired . The long suffering Nigerian general public probably don't give a stuff , but aviation professionals should certainly take an interest . With Nigerian roads in a deplorable state and rampant crime on those roads , reliable air travel should be at the top of any wish list .
The new (impressive looking) Abuja terminal is being rolled out , but there are already complaints about declining standards . Are we still on the same slippery slope of mediocrity ?

Maybe someone who knows a little about Green Africa could enlighten us . Or is it the case that even the professionals don't give a stuff .
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 23:19
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Virgin Nigeria, Arik Air, among other well-funded recent startups in Nigeria, who never became what they wanted to be, not to mention numerous smaller airlines.....I'm guessing with a former finance executive who likely has Nigerian connections plus the AA executive who is probably dazzled by the potential of the country that they are aiming big. I wish them luck, but Africa has a way of wearing you down.....
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I wish them luck, but Africa has a way of wearing you down.....
The grapevine says Ops manuals have been submitted for initial approvals , so who knows . Miracles have been known to happen
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The grapevine says Ops manuals have been submitted for initial approvals , so who knows . Miracles have been known to happen
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One day, someone in Nigeria will get it right.....
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“They” might get it right. It’s the other hyenas that circle around looking to “chop dat mooney”.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 11:08
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One day, someone in Nigeria will get it right.....
You do not get it right by planning to operate the wrong aircraft type.

Average stage length is about 1 hour, average pax per aircraft is 70. What are you doing with a 737 of any type in that market??

When it all unravels, the Nigerian market will be blamed for the specific market lack of experience being displayed by the owners

Nigeria is not Europe or USA where heavy loads can allow low cost operations leading to low fares.

The should get real quickly otherwise they have failed from the gets go
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You do not get it right by planning to operate the wrong aircraft type.

Average stage length is about 1 hour, average pax per aircraft is 70. What are you doing with a 737 of any type in that market??

When it all unravels, the Nigerian market will be blamed for the specific market lack of experience being displayed by the owners

Nigeria is not Europe or USA where heavy loads can allow low cost operations leading to low fares.

The should get real quickly otherwise they have failed from the gets go
Nigeria could have 150 737-8’s operating under ideal governance, management and operationally and fill every plane, every day on every flight.
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Nigeria could have 150 737-8’s operating under ideal governance, management and operationally and fill every plane, every day on every flight.
Support this with statistics.
In theory when you consider the population figures. Yes, with current economic realities, disposable income of the citizens, state of infrastructure, and several other limiting factors nope.
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Nigeria Airways, Virgin Nigeria, Kabo, Okada, ADC, Sosoliso to name but a few. There have been others.

Hard not to be pessimistic given the downward trajectory of the average Nigerian's disposable income.

Despite such misgivings I have nothing but hope that this venture succeeds, perhaps not in such an ambitious way.

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Old 11th Jan 2019, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Browright View Post
Support this with statistics.
In theory when you consider the population figures. Yes, with current economic realities, disposable income of the citizens, state of infrastructure, and several other limiting factors nope.

Most airlines that fly the 737 on specific routes manage to fill them up. Agreed there are thin routes that don’t require a 737. If at all people are reluctant to fly, it is due to inconsistency of the airlines, probably poor customer service and various other factors. The market is there. The infrastructure is lacking and needs improvement but so far that hasn’t stopped the average Nigerian from flying. Besides, from all indications they don’t intent to use the 737 for only domestic operations.
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Just to bring news about Green Africa Airways to the top again, what's the status of pilot recruiting for the new airline. There are numerous articles about the airline recently (all saying pretty much the same things) but I haven't seen any mention of pilot supply or recruiting. Their proposed launch is getting close and their website reveals no information about anything. Did I merely miss the article where recruiting was addressed ?
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https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...-50-a220s.html

50 A220s as well. Or instead of?
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Old 25th Feb 2020, 20:56
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Replacement apparently.

I'm just a bit suspicious that apparently no ads have appeared recruiting pilots if they are taking delivery of three airplanes just 6 months from now:

"The trio of jets will deliver by August of this year..."

"These three aircraft will give us the certainty we need to be able to launch in 2020..."

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...or-2020-launch
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Originally Posted by geriatrix View Post
Blimey, is the Guv out now?
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 05:24
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Originally Posted by Browright View Post
Support this with statistics.
In theory when you consider the population figures. Yes, with current economic realities, disposable income of the citizens, state of infrastructure, and several other limiting factors nope.
there’s 150 million in Nigeria, plus another 100 million plus is surrounding countries. Even 2 percent of this group is enough. Plus the 2 percent will fly much more frequently than their western counterparts due to poor ground transport.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 05:27
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
Just to bring news about Green Africa Airways to the top again, what's the status of pilot recruiting for the new airline. There are numerous articles about the airline recently (all saying pretty much the same things) but I haven't seen any mention of pilot supply or recruiting. Their proposed launch is getting close and their website reveals no information about anything. Did I merely miss the article where recruiting was addressed ?
there will be a group of Nigerian pilot Ogas ready. The initial flight may not happen on time, but the Ogas are around. They may even come from London oh with a fresh cpl
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there will be a group of Nigerian pilot Ogas ready. ...but the Ogas are around.
What are "Ogas" ?
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 20:50
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It’s a term of endearment in west Africa. Like “Bwana” in Swahili.
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 08:18
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The way Green Africa is going,i believe they will get this done.
Met with their representatives and was very impressed.
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