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SA ATPL renewal through Foreign Operator

Old 15th Oct 2018, 09:07
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SA ATPL renewal through Foreign Operator

Hi guys,

I am with EK on the A380 and have just done a PPC, and am trying to find out about renewing my SA licence.

I went through this process before, and had to re-write Airlaw because it had been more than 5 years. Currently, it has been more than 36 months since my last renewal, but just under 60 months. I phoned SACAA and they informed me that I have to re-write 2 exams ie Airlaw & Instruments; and do an initial skills test. Has the law changed?
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 14:10
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I hope the following cut and paste will help you. It's from Part 61.
As I remember, you'll need to make a booking to write Air Law and Procedures. It's a computer exam and the result is instantaneous. Getting an exam slot can be a logistic problem. If you let it go for more than five years you have to do the lot unless, perhaps, if you've been continuously flying on a foreign ATPL, you might be let off writing all the whole lot if you:
Write to them nicely and provide a letter of motivation for your request to be let off the written exams.
Provide certified proof of your log books entries and foreign licence to show that you have been continuously flying on an overseas ATPL.
Wait a long time for a response.
It all changes though and the above might no longer hold good.


Maintenance of competency for ATPL (Aeroplane)
61.07.7 (1) The holder of an ATPL (Aeroplane) shall undergo a revalidation check within a

period of 12 months calculated from –
  1. (a) the date of re-issue; or
  2. (b) the beginning of the month following the date of –
    1. (i) expiry of the maintenance of competency if such maintenance of competency is revalidated within 90 days immediately prior to expiry; or
    2. (ii) revalidation of such maintenance of competency if revalidated prior to the period referred to in sub-paragraph (i).
(2) The holder of an ATPL (Aeroplane) who has not maintained competency by passing a revalidation check or an initial licence skills test in the same category of aircraft within the 24 months following the issue or revalidation of such licence shall comply with the following requirements:

(a) in the case of a holder of an ATPL where the maintenance of competency has lapsed by not more than 36 months, the licence holder shall be required to:

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  1. (i) undergo sufficient ground and flight training at an approved ATO to reach the standard required for the revalidation check of an ATPL (Aeroplane), and meet the recency requirements to act as PIC; and
  2. (ii) pass a revalidation check in the same category of aircraft;
(b) in the case of a holder of an ATPL where the maintenance of competency has lapsed by more than 36 months, but not more than 60 months, the licence holder shall be required to:
  1. (i) rewrite the Air Law and Procedures examination;
  2. (ii) undergo sufficient ground and flight training at an approved ATO to reach the

    standard required for the revalidation check of an ATPL (Aeroplane), and

    meet the recency requirements to act as PIC; and
  3. (iii) pass an initial licence skills test in the same category of aircraft;
(c) in the case of a holder of an ATPL where the maintenance of competency has lapsed by more than 60 months, comply with the initial issue requirements of Subpart 61.07.

(3) (a) In the event of the maintenance of competency requirements of an ATPL (Aeroplane) not being complied with, the holder of an ATPL (Aeroplane) may automatically continue to exercise the privileges of a VFR CPL.

(b) This privilege may be exercised for a maximum period of 12 months from the date of expiry of the maintenance of competency of the ATPL (Aeroplane), provided that the holder has a valid Class I or Class II medical certificate issued in terms of Part 67.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 21:39
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Check you mail - PM sent
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 03:04
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Hi, iím in the same position. Iím coming up to 60 months between renewals in the next few months. Could you share any info regarding study notes etc. Much appreciated
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 06:47
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It's quite a while ago that I was in this boat but what I did was:
Went to FTS at FAGC and bought their notes on Air Law and Procedures.
Went to Avex at FALA and bought their notes on Air Law and Procedures.
Went back to the country in which I was living at the time and studied for weeks and learnt the questions and answers off pat.
Went back to Avex Air and did a four hour one on two quiz and counter quiz with their then CFI.
Aced the exam.
Did I overkill? Yes, most certainly. 96% means that you've spent too much time exam learning but the CAA had given me only one shot at the exam as of my exemption package on having to write all the ATPL subjects again. I'd let my IR lapse by about 7 years so had applied for and been granted an exemption on having to rewrite all the subjects, provided I passed Air Maw and Procedures in one attempt.

There were some extremely sneaky questions in the exam and some were designed such that, had you answered the first one incorrectly, you would have set your own foundation for answering further questions incorrectly.

I don't know whether Babcock are still in business at FAGC but they used to have notes and of course, there are training organisations away from the great stink.

Good luck.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 14:02
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Same here. What is the newest requirement/procedure?
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 08:01
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November Mike. Could you please send me the info as well? Many thanks.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 13:06
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Hi Gents - can't seem to find the PM I'd sent previously. However, my PM went along the lines of: Anyone seeking clarity as to what's required, I would suggest that you email Mrs Amanda Haverkamp (Senior Licencing Officer: Flight Crew Licencing - SACAA) at [email protected] and she'll sort you out.

I've always found her to be extremely helpful and easy to approach. Her being the Senior Licencing Officer, she knows the gen as to what you need to do etc.

See below:



Amanda Haverkamp
Licensing Issuance Officer
Personnel Licensing: Licensing
Tel: 011 545 1250 Fax: 011 545 1520 Email: [email protected] SACAA

Lastly, let me know if I can assist any of you folk as I'm here in the RSA at the moment.

Blue Skies!
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 12:14
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Thank you November Mike.
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