British Airways Incident at Johannesburg
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"How fast were they going down the wrong taxiway at night to chop through it like butter?"
Probably no more than normal taxiing speed. It looks like a brick building. You can take those apart with nothing more than a 2" brick bolster and club hammer. Once you've breached a mortar course, bricks come down very easily.
A 747 is strong and would take some stopping...
Probably no more than normal taxiing speed. It looks like a brick building. You can take those apart with nothing more than a 2" brick bolster and club hammer. Once you've breached a mortar course, bricks come down very easily.
A 747 is strong and would take some stopping...
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I saw the impressive on-site repair that Boeing did on the Condor 767 which was flown through the mast array on top of the mountain at Margarita Island. After a test flight, the aircraft went back into service. That was eighteen or so years ago, but I presume the capability still exists.
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Eyewitness report, FWIW ...
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I'll say it again we were travelling far too fast when we hit the building, not taxiing speed, if not for my seatbelt I would have been thrown out of my seat. I would have said we had started the procedure for taking off.
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That is the best news I've heard and I hope this sorry saga accelerates the deployment of BA's next A-380 on this lucrative, yet poorly serviced, route.
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Sorry, that is ridiculous. If there are too many tasks while taxying you stop them or set the parking brake. All of the crew pays attention to the here and now. Taxying in an unknown area with minimal lighting (if it was well known to the crew or well lit.....) all heads are up. No exceptions.
I'm sorry are you a private pilot?
Airlines usually provide the performance numbers through ACARS or they are computed on laptops/tablets prior to pushback. The only task would be getting a route clearance (if not obtained prior to push) and the checklists.
I'm sorry but Nigel really did bad for the rest of perfection on this one. Pull the FOs head out of .. and have him look out the window.
Distraction from the primary task of taxying safely.
These days airline crews are given far, far too many tasks to do while taxying out to the runway.
It's become a macho thing: "Yes we can handle any task you give us while navigating to the end of the runway".
But be honest. Who hasn't looked up while taxying - and got a bit of a shock? Yes?
I'm sorry are you a private pilot?
Airlines usually provide the performance numbers through ACARS or they are computed on laptops/tablets prior to pushback. The only task would be getting a route clearance (if not obtained prior to push) and the checklists.
I'm sorry but Nigel really did bad for the rest of perfection on this one. Pull the FOs head out of .. and have him look out the window.
Distraction from the primary task of taxying safely.
These days airline crews are given far, far too many tasks to do while taxying out to the runway.
It's become a macho thing: "Yes we can handle any task you give us while navigating to the end of the runway".
But be honest. Who hasn't looked up while taxying - and got a bit of a shock? Yes?
Someone claiming to have been on the flight has just posted this on the Daily Mail article comments....
Judge for yourself the veracity 
This is a total fabrication of the truth. My wife and I were both sat in first and we're actually among the last off of the plane! Due to the damage the plane had sustained and the narrow taxiing area, the plane was disembarked via seat rows from the rear left exit. As such, passengers in economy left the plane first, followed by business and premium economy and finally first class. Nobody received preferential treated in the emergency situation!! I suspect that's Mrs Oxfam hoped to jump the queue for hotel room by complaining on twitter, whilst everyone else waited in line for their turn.
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Gosh, flyertalk is even more uninformed and speculative than here. Didn't think that was possible. Whilst I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears is there any chance we could keep the speculation and uninformed comments to a minimum? I'm sure the guys were doing their best last night and I'm sure lessons will be learned.
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British Airways Incident at Johannesburg
Bus Junkie - I understood BA have role reversal across all fleets. One of the FO's may have been taxiing the aircraft. Where was the third crew member at time of impact?
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If there are too many tasks while taxying you stop them or set the parking brake. All of the crew pays attention to the here and now. Taxying in an unknown area with minimal lighting (if it was well known to the crew or well lit.....) all heads are up. No exceptions.
I'm sorry are you a private pilot?
I'm sorry are you a private pilot?
And no, I'm not a private pilot. I logged many thousands of hours on this type of aircraft without hitting anything. But I am now old and wise enough to admit that unnecessary distractions lead to more close calls than there should have been.
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boeingdriverx- I think most British Pilots would like to be a Nigel at one time or another- I never made it past the HR department. I think though the airmanship at BA probably reflects that of all British Pilots. The safety record of British pilots has been pretty good since the 80's.
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Could ATC have warned them?
Could ATC have warned them?
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The surprise to me is not the ground Nav error but the width of the taxi-way they went into. It only looks about 20m wide. As for the Asiana apologists, a bit different, clipping a building in the dark to missing an airport completely on a clear day!