Air Namibia ‘bypasses’ pilot licensing rules
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Thank you nugpot, you beat me to it...
...exactly what I was going to say.
Also, lilflyboy262, there is a difference between working for a bush company and working for the national carrier. For starters, as far as I remember, the Ops manual used to say that "citizenship" was one of the minimum requirements...as is a VALID NAMIBIAN CPL flying license...might have changed since my days there, but I cant imagine why ?!?
...exactly what I was going to say.Also, lilflyboy262, there is a difference between working for a bush company and working for the national carrier. For starters, as far as I remember, the Ops manual used to say that "citizenship" was one of the minimum requirements...as is a VALID NAMIBIAN CPL flying license...might have changed since my days there, but I cant imagine why ?!?
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licence or not
When Madam was employed initially, she still had a RSA CPL, it expired later during her training. So when it came to the issuing of a validation for Nam, there was no valid / current RSA licence anymore, on which basis a Nam validation could have been issued.
A Namibian CPL or higher licence can only be obtained by a foreigner, once a workpermit has been issued.
Of course, like any flag carrier, Air Namibia will prefer Namibian citizens, in theory at least. Since there are only so many Nam pilots out there, Air Namibia has to look into employing foreigners, too. Not long ago, they basically sat there with no one to feed the 737 fleet, since B190 F/Os were incapable of moving over to the left seat, due to lack of ATPLs. Without feeding the B190 left seat, there was nobody to be moved into the right seat of the 737. They had literally 4 Captains for 4 aircraft. That made it necessary to look into employing foreigners too, which doesn't mean that employing someone hopeless as madam was a sensible thing to do.
With the 2 intakes they had in 2009, they employed too many white pilots to managements liking and madam came in handy to counterbalance the whole thing a bit.
However, somebody who can't even fly a straight line neither to a beacon, GPS waypoint or even a ground feature ("but I'm not familiar with the area...") nor doesn't know, that selecting flaps on a 1900 or any other turbo prop , does not change the pitch of the props, should maybe not even have an expired RSA CPL...
A Namibian CPL or higher licence can only be obtained by a foreigner, once a workpermit has been issued.
Of course, like any flag carrier, Air Namibia will prefer Namibian citizens, in theory at least. Since there are only so many Nam pilots out there, Air Namibia has to look into employing foreigners, too. Not long ago, they basically sat there with no one to feed the 737 fleet, since B190 F/Os were incapable of moving over to the left seat, due to lack of ATPLs. Without feeding the B190 left seat, there was nobody to be moved into the right seat of the 737. They had literally 4 Captains for 4 aircraft. That made it necessary to look into employing foreigners too, which doesn't mean that employing someone hopeless as madam was a sensible thing to do.
With the 2 intakes they had in 2009, they employed too many white pilots to managements liking and madam came in handy to counterbalance the whole thing a bit.
However, somebody who can't even fly a straight line neither to a beacon, GPS waypoint or even a ground feature ("but I'm not familiar with the area...") nor doesn't know, that selecting flaps on a 1900 or any other turbo prop , does not change the pitch of the props, should maybe not even have an expired RSA CPL...
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Thank you DaFly, You beat me to it with that reply.
As I said. Quick fingered posters.
A reporter would have a field day if they found she had no licence at all.
And totally agree with the above post.
As I said. Quick fingered posters.
A reporter would have a field day if they found she had no licence at all.
And totally agree with the above post.
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Name and F#$%^&ng shame
Because I dont have the time or inclination to "train" a type rated pilot on exe 12/13 and nor do I want to get pissed with somone with a everest sized chipp on their shoulder.
Give us the names so we dont have to deal with them!
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Give us the names so we dont have to deal with them!
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@ Voel:
Nope, the job has been given to a pilot from Westair. Sort of got stuck and demoted on his previous job, so this one looks like a great move for him.
I think, even though we all know how Air Nam politics work and get to you and why some of the experienced guys leave Air Nam, it will be very hard for anybody leaving that company to find another flying job within the country.
@ Contract Dog:
Names have been published on the previous page, quoting the newspaper article.
Nope, the job has been given to a pilot from Westair. Sort of got stuck and demoted on his previous job, so this one looks like a great move for him.
I think, even though we all know how Air Nam politics work and get to you and why some of the experienced guys leave Air Nam, it will be very hard for anybody leaving that company to find another flying job within the country.
@ Contract Dog:
Names have been published on the previous page, quoting the newspaper article.
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Fanks DaFly. From what I hear is that the guys on the B737's are very unhappy 
, whereas the guys on the A340 are happy chappies again 
. ME was so keen to get that job at Nampower, as he was flying his butts off at Air Nam. He even missed one interview, as his flight was delayed for 6 hours in Jo'burg due tech (I happended to be on the same one). Eish!!!
, whereas the guys on the A340 are happy chappies again . ME was so keen to get that job at Nampower, as he was flying his butts off at Air Nam. He even missed one interview, as his flight was delayed for 6 hours in Jo'burg due tech (I happended to be on the same one). Eish!!!
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The 737 is seriously short on crew, quite a few Capt. have resigned last year. Some are flying their butts off, some have 22 off days the same month...
A certain Captain, from a country to the north east of Nam (were they tend to run out of petrol & pap), who incidently is the head of training & standards, tends to skip sop calls every now and then. Not only one, but almost all of them the entire flight. Be aware, you mention anything as FO, you will be send to the sim to re-adjust your attitude.
The 2 735 don't spend enough time on the ground in order to fix all the snags. Pressurisation problems have been common. If snags have been deferred for too long according to the MEL, DCA grants extension.
Vacation gets cxd the day before you go.
Aviation med. examiner doesn't fly as pax on this fleet anymore, too many pilots are overly tired. He even booked some of them off sick, just for them to get back on their feet.
A340 seems to be the most relaxed fleet. Domestic is cool as well, since it's operating out of Eros mostly and not Hosea. A club of their own, only remotely affected by in house politics.
Comment from Nampower: do I rather employ someone younger, who is enthusiastic about flying and moving up to a Lear or someone who is rather dis-illusioned who turned his back on Air Nam, now moving down from Capt 735 to a junior pilot's position?
There you have it. Once you're in, the only way out is to the sandpit or to the place where they eat everything that moves, (and if it doesn't move, they kick it until it moves) with rice.
A certain Captain, from a country to the north east of Nam (were they tend to run out of petrol & pap), who incidently is the head of training & standards, tends to skip sop calls every now and then. Not only one, but almost all of them the entire flight. Be aware, you mention anything as FO, you will be send to the sim to re-adjust your attitude.
The 2 735 don't spend enough time on the ground in order to fix all the snags. Pressurisation problems have been common. If snags have been deferred for too long according to the MEL, DCA grants extension.
Vacation gets cxd the day before you go.
Aviation med. examiner doesn't fly as pax on this fleet anymore, too many pilots are overly tired. He even booked some of them off sick, just for them to get back on their feet.
A340 seems to be the most relaxed fleet. Domestic is cool as well, since it's operating out of Eros mostly and not Hosea. A club of their own, only remotely affected by in house politics.
Comment from Nampower: do I rather employ someone younger, who is enthusiastic about flying and moving up to a Lear or someone who is rather dis-illusioned who turned his back on Air Nam, now moving down from Capt 735 to a junior pilot's position?
There you have it. Once you're in, the only way out is to the sandpit or to the place where they eat everything that moves, (and if it doesn't move, they kick it until it moves) with rice.
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Just to stir it up a little:
There should be no law against flying without a certificate/licence!
In fact, the laws on safety of flight are more likely to increase risk than to reduce it.
Bet that should get you going!!
There should be no law against flying without a certificate/licence!
In fact, the laws on safety of flight are more likely to increase risk than to reduce it.
Bet that should get you going!!
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Based on that last post it is clear as to why you would advocate flying without a licence-you obviously lack the requisite intelligence to get one.Climb back into that Samsonite where you can be of no harm to society...
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To get the discussion back to the chick without a licence.
The Zim-club extends to South Africa. There is a certain "Colonel Nhlanhla Dube"working at SAX that is apparently her boyfriend. Rumor has it he was/is also involved in the one or other corruption scandal ... Him and his good mates at Air Nam more than likely 'arranged' the entire mess.
What the hell are these idiots doing in RSA and Namibia in any case? We have enough corruption and political baggage of our own. On the other hand our supermarkets are well stocked ...
The Zim-club extends to South Africa. There is a certain "Colonel Nhlanhla Dube"working at SAX that is apparently her boyfriend. Rumor has it he was/is also involved in the one or other corruption scandal ... Him and his good mates at Air Nam more than likely 'arranged' the entire mess.
What the hell are these idiots doing in RSA and Namibia in any case? We have enough corruption and political baggage of our own. On the other hand our supermarkets are well stocked ...
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FDA,
You apparently don't know the difference between a safe pilot and a guy with a piece of paper.
Training today is mostly aimed at compliance with regulation, not flight safety. In conclusion, flight safety is not the objective.
In the absence of regulation (regulatory compliance), focus will increase on safe conduct of flight. (Insurance, owner, pilot would all force this to top priority)
You apparently don't know the difference between a safe pilot and a guy with a piece of paper.
Training today is mostly aimed at compliance with regulation, not flight safety. In conclusion, flight safety is not the objective.
In the absence of regulation (regulatory compliance), focus will increase on safe conduct of flight. (Insurance, owner, pilot would all force this to top priority)
