Ethiopian Airlines
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about Comoros accident:
-both flight crew survived.
-some high quality amateur pictures are available.
-recorders are available.
and no detailed report ,including detailed cvr transcriptions is available so far,or maybe I missed something.
try to answer my question ,before being arrogant and irrespectful
-both flight crew survived.
-some high quality amateur pictures are available.
-recorders are available.
and no detailed report ,including detailed cvr transcriptions is available so far,or maybe I missed something.
try to answer my question ,before being arrogant and irrespectful
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anyone on more info about ET? Is skype working in some way? Does the 737 roster get block days off every six weeks? Info will be much appreciated since I will be applying soon to them.. PM me or share... thanks
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Pilot inexperience, exhaustion behind ET409 crash, report
Pilot inexperience, exhaustion behind ET409 crash, report
JANUARY 3, 2011 ⋅ 5:26 AM ⋅ POST A COMMENT
FILED UNDER ET409 CRASH, ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES, LEBANON
On the eve of the anniversary of the crash in Lebanon of Ethiopian airlines flight ET409, LBC TV reported that the investigation of the incident continues and is being handled by the manufacturer with the participation of Ethiopia and Lebanon.
The Boeing 737 crashed on January 25, 2010 just after taking off from Beirut international airport . All 90 people on board died as a result of the crash.
According to LBC sources the investigation so far revealed that the crash occurred because of poor judgment by the Ethiopian Airlines management in choosing the crew, especially since the the captain and his copilot ,were exhausted as a result of working more than a hundred flight hours during that month, while according to international regulations they should not be working more than sixty flight hours.
Furthermore the captain and his copilot did not have enough experience in flying such a plane . According to the investigation 1500 flying hours are required to fly the 737 while neither the captain nor the copilot had more than 200 hours of experience.
The investigation so far confirms the preliminary report of May 2010 which revealed that “both the pilot’s and co-pilot’s inexperience with the jet was “certainly behind the accident”.
According to LBC sources the committee in charge of the investigation is planning to meet in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on January 24 to start drafting the reported which is expected to take about 3 month to be completed
Pilot inexperience, exhaustion behind ET409 crash, report | Ya Libnan | World News Live from Lebanon
JANUARY 3, 2011 ⋅ 5:26 AM ⋅ POST A COMMENT
FILED UNDER ET409 CRASH, ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES, LEBANON
On the eve of the anniversary of the crash in Lebanon of Ethiopian airlines flight ET409, LBC TV reported that the investigation of the incident continues and is being handled by the manufacturer with the participation of Ethiopia and Lebanon.
The Boeing 737 crashed on January 25, 2010 just after taking off from Beirut international airport . All 90 people on board died as a result of the crash.
According to LBC sources the investigation so far revealed that the crash occurred because of poor judgment by the Ethiopian Airlines management in choosing the crew, especially since the the captain and his copilot ,were exhausted as a result of working more than a hundred flight hours during that month, while according to international regulations they should not be working more than sixty flight hours.
Furthermore the captain and his copilot did not have enough experience in flying such a plane . According to the investigation 1500 flying hours are required to fly the 737 while neither the captain nor the copilot had more than 200 hours of experience.
The investigation so far confirms the preliminary report of May 2010 which revealed that “both the pilot’s and co-pilot’s inexperience with the jet was “certainly behind the accident”.
According to LBC sources the committee in charge of the investigation is planning to meet in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on January 24 to start drafting the reported which is expected to take about 3 month to be completed
Pilot inexperience, exhaustion behind ET409 crash, report | Ya Libnan | World News Live from Lebanon
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I'm considering going to work for ET
I've been looking for a job as a 737NG captain and just got this information from an agency about Ethiopian:
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Contracted schedule is for 80 hours however all crews are required to fly to a maximum of 110 hours monthly. Equipment Rates for Captains listed below: (overtime to 110 hours must be added at 1/80th of the base pay for 80 hours to calculate the normal monthly total pay. PAY IS IN USD.
All pay rates under continuing review
MD-11 7000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours OT = 9625 USD total
B757/ 767 7000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours OT = 9625 USD total
B737-800 6500 USD 80hrs plus 30 hours overtime = 8937.50 USD total
Q400 6000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours overtime = 8250 USD total
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So I'm just asking if anyone has been working there and can confirm this about flying 110 hours per month. I'm not posting this to criticize in any way, but I've personally never flown 110 hours in a month, or even 100, or even 90 hours in a month. I've been a commercial airline pilot for 26 years and the most I've ever flown in any given month was 89 hours. I found it to be a pretty exhausting experience. So unless this schedule is somehow set up so that you can fly all five hour legs and do minimum turns that's going to be a very heavy schedule. The typical 737-800 flight is a one hour to four hour segment. We used to fly it on 5 hour legs but that was all we did in one day, then it was followed by a day off, and then another 5 hour return leg. Probably why the company went bankrupt
, but seriously I would think in the world of long haul it would be imaginable to fly 100 hours, but in the 737 world it sounds like it could be pretty miserable.
Can anyone comment or share their 737 experiences at Ethiopian?
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Contracted schedule is for 80 hours however all crews are required to fly to a maximum of 110 hours monthly. Equipment Rates for Captains listed below: (overtime to 110 hours must be added at 1/80th of the base pay for 80 hours to calculate the normal monthly total pay. PAY IS IN USD.
All pay rates under continuing review
MD-11 7000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours OT = 9625 USD total
B757/ 767 7000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours OT = 9625 USD total
B737-800 6500 USD 80hrs plus 30 hours overtime = 8937.50 USD total
Q400 6000 USD for 80hrs plus 30 hours overtime = 8250 USD total
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So I'm just asking if anyone has been working there and can confirm this about flying 110 hours per month. I'm not posting this to criticize in any way, but I've personally never flown 110 hours in a month, or even 100, or even 90 hours in a month. I've been a commercial airline pilot for 26 years and the most I've ever flown in any given month was 89 hours. I found it to be a pretty exhausting experience. So unless this schedule is somehow set up so that you can fly all five hour legs and do minimum turns that's going to be a very heavy schedule. The typical 737-800 flight is a one hour to four hour segment. We used to fly it on 5 hour legs but that was all we did in one day, then it was followed by a day off, and then another 5 hour return leg. Probably why the company went bankrupt
, but seriously I would think in the world of long haul it would be imaginable to fly 100 hours, but in the 737 world it sounds like it could be pretty miserable.Can anyone comment or share their 737 experiences at Ethiopian?
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If you have never evolved in a tribal environment, it will be very difficult for you. The locals payscale is very low compared to expat. So consequently the expat failure is high and surprisingly...the locals get a pay raise.
Many expats just get fed up and leave, many being owed salary. Since AUG 2010, the retention rate for expat 73 drivers has been very low. The training is very different and you need to dig up much of the procedural info yourself. At times it seems as if they are culling out trainees by seeing if the can figure it out without assistance. Very often your sim partner will not have previous jet experience and you will have to fly him as well as the aircraft. Sometimes you are not told of this and have to figure it out yourself.
You are never "one of the guys", as you have not gone through their academy and thhis makes you inferior. It's a temp or time building job. Don't think you'll last it out for a year or two unless you go on the 67 or MD.
Very, very sad because it can be an enjoyable locale. You're just not wanted there.
Many expats just get fed up and leave, many being owed salary. Since AUG 2010, the retention rate for expat 73 drivers has been very low. The training is very different and you need to dig up much of the procedural info yourself. At times it seems as if they are culling out trainees by seeing if the can figure it out without assistance. Very often your sim partner will not have previous jet experience and you will have to fly him as well as the aircraft. Sometimes you are not told of this and have to figure it out yourself.
You are never "one of the guys", as you have not gone through their academy and thhis makes you inferior. It's a temp or time building job. Don't think you'll last it out for a year or two unless you go on the 67 or MD.
Very, very sad because it can be an enjoyable locale. You're just not wanted there.
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Ethiopian New Hire
I worked for Jet Airways for a while, so I have a little knowledge of the overseas industry. As a retired Alaska pilot, India and Ethiopia are two fairly well established companies that pay industry standard. I joined Ethiopian in April. A sim assessment and thorough physical, combined with a very relaxed interview are followed by a very well organized administrative process. Two nights in a one star hotel, hired, and then taken to Harmony Hotel in Addis, a three star hotel in Europe, if you know what I mean, with a very friendly and helpful staff. Other guys move out after the first month to share houses. I like hotels within walking distance of shopping.
Training was almost exactly like India, primary emphasis on 'the briefing.' It's assumed young, inexperienced F/Os are better off with a fifteen minute briefing than a five minute briefing. Training Captains treat a 61 year old pilot with 38 years flying as if he's never been in an airplane before. Again, just like India. But a smile and a nod and an effort still go a long way to get through the program. Fill out all the pages in the training folder and you'll be done. Proviso: Three 737 guys started with me, and those three have all been sent home. I suspect they fudged their credentials, but have no way of knowing.
New program for Ethiopian is now twenty days on, ten days off. A lot of Atlanta guys are not happy, but maybe it works for you if you just want to see the world on your days off. If you must go home to see the kids and mama, this might not be the right job. Also just heard new policy might be changing to NO pay for training. I'm told they have plenty of applicants and they're tired of guys coming over, getting a PC, and going home. Could be lots of reasons.
All in all, not the most pleasant experience I've had, but I've certainly seen a lot of Africa that I've never seen before. Any other questions, you can write me directly at [email protected].
Training was almost exactly like India, primary emphasis on 'the briefing.' It's assumed young, inexperienced F/Os are better off with a fifteen minute briefing than a five minute briefing. Training Captains treat a 61 year old pilot with 38 years flying as if he's never been in an airplane before. Again, just like India. But a smile and a nod and an effort still go a long way to get through the program. Fill out all the pages in the training folder and you'll be done. Proviso: Three 737 guys started with me, and those three have all been sent home. I suspect they fudged their credentials, but have no way of knowing.
New program for Ethiopian is now twenty days on, ten days off. A lot of Atlanta guys are not happy, but maybe it works for you if you just want to see the world on your days off. If you must go home to see the kids and mama, this might not be the right job. Also just heard new policy might be changing to NO pay for training. I'm told they have plenty of applicants and they're tired of guys coming over, getting a PC, and going home. Could be lots of reasons.
All in all, not the most pleasant experience I've had, but I've certainly seen a lot of Africa that I've never seen before. Any other questions, you can write me directly at [email protected].
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Bart,
Why don't they like the 20 /10 ? I understood the previous roster was even worse ( 6weeks on 11 days off ? or something equally punishing ? ) I though things had got better not worse. Well, as they seem to have been recruiting continually for the last year/18mths they should be trying to make it better if they want to attract anyone . . . but, I know, common sense doesn't always apply.
Do you travel home on the block of 10 ? or he says (surely too optimistically ? ) during the 20 work days.
Is it still around $ 9K for a crazy 110hr month, or did that get any better.
How much to live in Addis somewhere (relatively ! ) nice ? apartment / hotel.
Enjoy your days off !
Why don't they like the 20 /10 ? I understood the previous roster was even worse ( 6weeks on 11 days off ? or something equally punishing ? ) I though things had got better not worse. Well, as they seem to have been recruiting continually for the last year/18mths they should be trying to make it better if they want to attract anyone . . . but, I know, common sense doesn't always apply.
Do you travel home on the block of 10 ? or he says (surely too optimistically ? ) during the 20 work days.
Is it still around $ 9K for a crazy 110hr month, or did that get any better.
How much to live in Addis somewhere (relatively ! ) nice ? apartment / hotel.
Enjoy your days off !
