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Old 24th Dec 2009, 21:38
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Is SAX going to order more Q400's and CRJ900's?

Just curious to get thoughts about whether South African Express will be ordering further examples of the Q400 and possibly the CRJ900 planes?

I realize that the airline has 2 CRJ700's, but weren't these two larger CRJ variants only an interim solution until the CRJ900 NextGens and more Q400's started to replace the older Q300's/CRJ-200 fleets?
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Yes and Yes - hope that answers both questions.
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I presume they will become a bit more popular and expand a little, with Airlink being in the mess that it is. I hope sincerely that Airlink recoveres from this all, but it's going to be very hard to win back passengers, with all the bad publicity. Having said that however, still many people think that SA Airlink and SA Express are part of SAA, so they might think the whole company is unsafe to fly with. SA aviation has had two rather dark years in aviation. 2008 was notorious for GA aircraft going down, and now 2009 with it's Airlink troubles.

Merry Christmas to all and I hope the new year brings new and better prospects for aviation in SA. Some 900's and Q400's would be great indeed!
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Sax is currently busy with a re-branding excercise, which for the most part serves to differantiate SAX from SAA and SA Airlink.
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True story was talking to some relatives today and the few that did actually know that Link was not part of SAA, had no idea that there's a difference between SAX and Airlink.
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Yes and Yes - hope that answers both questions.
This has been said before, more than a year ago. The question here is when. When the CR700s came it was said they're on short-lease untill some of these new aircraft arrive, but still no announcement was ever made that SAX ordered Q400s and CR900s. So has it been ordered already, or can we expect an announcement of an order in the near future?
They'll probably have to keep some -300s for operations to Richards Bay at least?
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The collapse in demand following the economic recession meant that the introduction of larger aircraft has been moved forward by at least 18 months.

An additional CRJ 200 will join the fleet early 2010 and there is a possibility of a Q400 and CRJ 700 being added later in the year.

Some -300's will stay to serve Kimberley and Richards Bay once the fleet replacement is in full swing.

Recruitment has also slowed down as a consequence. 20 candidates will start the interview process on 5 January 2010, with 10 positions up for grabs.
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Any idea what requirements they're looking for?
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Requirements

By all accounts not a bad company to work for and the usual 1500 min hours with some turbine time, if you're a chic even less required and if you are from the previously disadvantaged you're a shoe in.

However the most important item on your CV is the ability to be treated like a piece of dog poo by most of the instructors, in particular the ex Air Force ones who still think they're gods gift to aviation and base their training on a fear as opposed to actual learning...

In other words the ability to take sarcasim and condescending instructions throughout your training makes you perfect!!
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LOL Coil. Well I'm far off 1500hrs and do not meet the other two requirements so I guess my CV will stay neatly packed away for quite some time.

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An additional CRJ 200 will join the fleet early 2010 and there is a possibility of a Q400 and CRJ 700 being added later in the year.

Saw an all white CRJ200 (IIRC ZS MNI??) going past us, is it a new one for the SAX fleet?

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Coil ---- I AM one of the SAX instructors and I find your comments largely unfounded, way off the mark and very offensive, ESPECIALLY considering that these comments come from someone who doesn't even work for SAX. IF you ever get into SAX, you'll see just how wrong you are.

The saying: "jealousy will get you..........." springs to mind.
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Gee BeeDee, the truth must really hurt !! as I hadn't even started to get offensive ?? in fact my comments were quite toned down and could be a whole lot worse. If you are really a SAX instructor and have no idea what I'm talking about then you must have your head buried quite firmly in the sand ( which happens to be one of the problems ) and besides I didn't say I didn't work at Sax , in fact I do and know exactly what I'm talking about
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Saw an all white CRJ200 (IIRC ZS MNI??) going past us, is it a new one for the SAX fleet?
NMI came out of C-check (and paint) before the new SAX colours were announced, so it temporarily became a white-tail. It might go to the DRC and would then be painted in Congo Express? colours.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 15:03
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Nugpot (or any other well-informed SAX person):

What is the story of the intra-DRC flights that SAX is planning. I've been hearing rumors of Lubumbashi - Kinshasa for well over a year, but no actions. Is anything firming up?

Thanks

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JT, I used to be a bit better informed, but AFAIK, SAX is still actively pursuing the DRC domestic routes and current date (planned) is end of Jan 2010. This date has been moved numerous times, so I don't know whether it will happen this time.

The plans are far advanced and the crews had been rostered to start in Nov, then Dec and now end of Jan, so I really don't know.
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At this stage it seems like it will Hopefully commence around mid- Feb....
AFAIK 25 people called for interviews for about 14 slots,commencing 05th Jan upto around the 11th.


Seems like SAX are now doing Sim Rides as well, I assume it is because of the high wash rate experienced last year..............however in my opinion thats not going to solve the problem,a fresh approach is required!
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What do you mean a fresh approach?
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Coil ---- I owe you an apology. From the tone of the first sentence or two of your original post, I was misled into assuming that you were a SAX wannabe rather than a SAX alreadyam! Based on this, I retract my reference to "jealousy".

Nevertheless, your accusations of blindness are wrong......you'll see in my post that I used the phrase "largely unfounded". I am fully aware of what is going on, thus my use of the word LARGELY. What offended me most was your claim "most of the instructors".

I trust that this will clear the air.

Regards ---- Brian Davidson.
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 18:13
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Coil.....interesting couple of posts.

As anyone who's been exposed to SAAF training will tell you, SAAF instructors do not sugar coat sh!t. If your flying is not up to standard you get told that - in no uncertain terms. I've been at SAX for ten years and have never had even the slightest problem with any of the instructors. The fact that you feel like you're getting treated like crap tells me you should possibly be paying a bit more attention to what you're doing in the cockpit and less time trying to blame others.
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