Conversion From Faa To Kcaa (kenyan) License
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Dear Trim Tab...with respect,
Why do you think many rated,experienced and competent pilots can not get jobs in Europe and USA? A country and a business is not just runned on profit and loss principle.They have a social obligation to create employment for its nationals.Jobs are a national resource that need protection.Do you think if Arabian Gulf countries had enough of their own they would be dishing out employment to foreigners? Having a Pilot's license that qualifies to operate a transport aircraft is enough to qualify for developing local cadre.Even in Kenya Pilots are made to pay for their ratings (which I think that it is unethical and many in the industry will agree opting for service bond instead to ensure no attrition).There is no free lunch...and even those who pay for the rating have to go through a period of fly without pay during training till checking out..KQ being an exception even if pay is meagre during training.
KCAA should also be petitioned against allowing foreigners to convert to CPL or ATPL unless they have a letter of employment offer which should be vetted by Ministry of Labour for no infringements on labour policy..which should bar foreigners taking kenyan national jobs.
So my friend, understand that those alien pilots(as yanks like to refer to them) will come to Kenya or other third world countries to fly for pay not because it is a covetted job but because they have no job! Please show some patriotism..the expats who come here...Kenya has been benevolent enough in the past.If you knew how many experienced pilots are unemployed in Kenya today it would prick your conscious to try and promote this country as a haven for pilot wannabees from the rest of the world.Be sensible ndugu!
Why do you think many rated,experienced and competent pilots can not get jobs in Europe and USA? A country and a business is not just runned on profit and loss principle.They have a social obligation to create employment for its nationals.Jobs are a national resource that need protection.Do you think if Arabian Gulf countries had enough of their own they would be dishing out employment to foreigners? Having a Pilot's license that qualifies to operate a transport aircraft is enough to qualify for developing local cadre.Even in Kenya Pilots are made to pay for their ratings (which I think that it is unethical and many in the industry will agree opting for service bond instead to ensure no attrition).There is no free lunch...and even those who pay for the rating have to go through a period of fly without pay during training till checking out..KQ being an exception even if pay is meagre during training.
KCAA should also be petitioned against allowing foreigners to convert to CPL or ATPL unless they have a letter of employment offer which should be vetted by Ministry of Labour for no infringements on labour policy..which should bar foreigners taking kenyan national jobs.
So my friend, understand that those alien pilots(as yanks like to refer to them) will come to Kenya or other third world countries to fly for pay not because it is a covetted job but because they have no job! Please show some patriotism..the expats who come here...Kenya has been benevolent enough in the past.If you knew how many experienced pilots are unemployed in Kenya today it would prick your conscious to try and promote this country as a haven for pilot wannabees from the rest of the world.Be sensible ndugu!
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You are hardly in a position to order people to give up flying..even if you are into politics! It is not my job to protect pilot joibs..it is the Union's which for the moment doesn't exist and If I was employed in Kenya I would be the first to spearhead it...with pleasure.It is the obligation of all pilots to be vigilant and protect their local job markets..not to open the flood gates.Read about what Nigeria did when they were invaded by foreign pilots. It is quite inspiring! I was amongst the first who alerted the KCAA and Ministry of Transport a decade back and I have witnessed some initiatives taken to safeguard Kenyan jobs but it is not enough.The weakest link in the chain is KCAA.If they stop this practice Kenyans will not have to worry about their jobs being eaten up by foreignerwsd. I can not imagine you are a local.And I challenge you to teach me about market realities trim stab..as I have been in Aviation since mid 80s. For your information you got it all wrong about realities of market economics...in the long run it is more expensive to hire expats as they come with higher salaries and perks to be able to attract and keep them..so I suggest you adgust your stab trim settings for a better flying attitude.if you want to REMAIN in aviation! Else..a foreigner might gobble YOUR local job!
So if you are not employed in Kenya, where are you employed? If working abroad you are yourself taking the job of a local.
And would you be happy if the UK and US were to kick out all the Kenyan doctors, nurses, etc who are over there taking away the jobs of locals?
And would you be happy if the UK and US were to kick out all the Kenyan doctors, nurses, etc who are over there taking away the jobs of locals?
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VC10Tail,
What exactly did Nigeria do? As far as I know, the airlines in Nigeria are still recruiting foreign Pilots both in Rotary and Fixed wing and NCAA is still validating licences so is there anything I am missing?
What exactly did Nigeria do? As far as I know, the airlines in Nigeria are still recruiting foreign Pilots both in Rotary and Fixed wing and NCAA is still validating licences so is there anything I am missing?
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The KCAA are actually more protective of their home market than the NCAA. There are plenty of fixed wing operators in Nigeria operating with European registered aircraft and with entirely European crews with uniquely JAR licences (eg Hangar 8). The KCAA does not allow foreign registered aircraft to operate in Kenya, and all foreign pilots have to obtain a KCAA licence to fly here.
I don't know what Vc10tail means either.
I don't know what Vc10tail means either.
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hey Trib Stab
Trim tab or stab trim..whoever you think you are...if VC10 is a mystery to you..I suspect you have not been in Kenya's Aviation long enough...in which case keep on driving your cessna with your recently acquired cpl until you can grow enough teeth to have a pplitical argument about Aviation with a twenty year veteran.
About Nigeria..you obviously did not reaearch we'll enough.There is nothing about KCAA that is protectionist as you have said iyt yourself...they ALLOW foreigners to convert. Their licenses.You obviously did not comprehend my argument at all and I shall not lower my standard to your level to try and account for my self.
I doubt that you are Kenyan and if you are I sure would be entertained to see you running like a headless chicken desperately seeking work in your country..where lots of foreigners are having a field day...at your expense.
Meanwhile...you have jeuxt taken the dump to my ignore list!!
About Nigeria..you obviously did not reaearch we'll enough.There is nothing about KCAA that is protectionist as you have said iyt yourself...they ALLOW foreigners to convert. Their licenses.You obviously did not comprehend my argument at all and I shall not lower my standard to your level to try and account for my self.
I doubt that you are Kenyan and if you are I sure would be entertained to see you running like a headless chicken desperately seeking work in your country..where lots of foreigners are having a field day...at your expense.
Meanwhile...you have jeuxt taken the dump to my ignore list!!
So Vc10tail, you are still avoiding the question - which country are YOU working in? And how do you feel about taking a job from a local in that country?
Nigeria does not require foreign pilots to convert to NCAA licences - many (like myself) fly there on EASA licences, on EASA reg aircraft. That is not permitted in Kenya - any aircraft operating in Kenya has to be on 5Y, and flown by KCAA licensed pilots.
I'm quite happy to be on your ignore list - you seem like a bit of a kimondo.
Nigeria does not require foreign pilots to convert to NCAA licences - many (like myself) fly there on EASA licences, on EASA reg aircraft. That is not permitted in Kenya - any aircraft operating in Kenya has to be on 5Y, and flown by KCAA licensed pilots.
I'm quite happy to be on your ignore list - you seem like a bit of a kimondo.
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You never asked me that question...though I expected it much earlier (some is slow on the uptake it seems)...listen where I work you are not privy to know.I have no hard feelings at all as I have rights to work in this country...and that is all you need to know.I left Kenya due to its pathetic tribal biases additional to their previously indiscriminate practices of emplying foreigners on the GA scene at Wilson,Loki and so forth.
Now if you do not mind I have better things to do.What I hope might happen in Kenya was what transpired in Nigeria a while back...where the locals took matters in their own hands to chase away any job invaders! If you arean invader...am sure. There is fun awaiting you down the road.
Now if you do not mind I have better things to do.What I hope might happen in Kenya was what transpired in Nigeria a while back...where the locals took matters in their own hands to chase away any job invaders! If you arean invader...am sure. There is fun awaiting you down the road.
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WC10tail is all in, for the African style politics - which have proven so sucessfull - where politics are suited to fit the current motivation of the sitting goverment.
Good question Trim Stab!
surely we'll get the "right" answer from her.
Good question Trim Stab!
surely we'll get the "right" answer from her.
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At the risk of being banned after 14 years, I can't resist this one...
Does anyone know the procedure and cost of converting a Kenyan Birth Certificate to a USA Birth certificate?...
(I ought to be a stand-up comic...!)
Does anyone know the procedure and cost of converting a Kenyan Birth Certificate to a USA Birth certificate?...
(I ought to be a stand-up comic...!)
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Hey Mickey mouse...I suggest you take your childish remarks and post them in Disney land...you might get an answer there...and whilst at it...get us an answer for how to convert a Kenyan birth certificate to USA's
VC10tail - you are the person who let this thread degenerate into childish remarks, for example:
I won't quote the childish and petty personal email that you also sent me.
Trim tab or stab trim..whoever you think you are...if VC10 is a mystery to you..I suspect you have not been in Kenya's Aviation long enough...in which case keep on driving your cessna with your recently acquired cpl until you can grow enough teeth to have a pplitical argument about Aviation with a twenty year veteran.
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Passed my Kcaa cpl conversion
Hello Aviators,I passed my CPL conversion exam,it took alot of attempts.my last flight was one year back,what all requirements must i fullfill before i submit my logbooks to KCAA?so my IR is not current anymore,is there any way i can do some instrument flying in wilson airport and be current?I heard i can get a SPL to fly.
Or is it better to go back to US to do the currency?
Please help guys..
Or is it better to go back to US to do the currency?
Please help guys..
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my advice is to fly the 10 hours PIC you require to get your actual CPL first so you have a valid kenyan cpl. Otherwise, your conversion exam may expire. once you have the licence in hand, look for your 6 hours hours ME/IR to get your IR revalidated
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I remember about some PIC hours actual that are required-I think it is the 10 hours that they are talking about here...make sure and have that before you show up.
I only know one person who converted their license on their own...and they had a Kenya passport, knew the Kenyan system, and spoke Swahili. The rest of the people converting had the support of a company that had hired them.
You don't need work documents...the company you work for can do all of that for you...unless you are trying to do it on your own.
If you are low-time, trying to get a job in the area, Dar-es-Salaam based Auric Air was hiring expats.
I only know one person who converted their license on their own...and they had a Kenya passport, knew the Kenyan system, and spoke Swahili. The rest of the people converting had the support of a company that had hired them.
You don't need work documents...the company you work for can do all of that for you...unless you are trying to do it on your own.
If you are low-time, trying to get a job in the area, Dar-es-Salaam based Auric Air was hiring expats.
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