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AlternativeProcedure - Far from telling 'lies' (as you put it) and far from 'being pushed to the wall'... if only we'd had access to a Part A / Section 7 (FTL's) on-board the aircraft (or even a personal copy of Part A), then we'd all be much better versed in the NCAR's requirements in respect of FTLs, wouldn't we?!
Nb. You might be interested to know that the FTM (in December 2008) suggested a course to cover the intricacies of NCAR's FTL's... because none of us (including him) were clear on the regulations as defined in the NCAR's.
Needless to say, we'd all value your own succinct description of the regulations for this; if you'd be so kind as to oblige?
TomBola - BRAVO!!!
I've offered on this thread what are (hopefully) open & constructive observations. I've not indulged in personal and / or xenophobic insults (at least I hope I haven't?!).
I (too) rather hoped that we could agree that Nigeria has problems with its aviation infrastructure, much in part because that infrastructure (and some airlines) have been run by criminals, e.g. see Nigeria arrests ex-air ministers and stuff about Arik's Chairman & Associates
I would also like to think that some could put petty squabbling & endeavours at point scoring behind them (veritably to try and be 'Professional' about how to tackle a difficult subject area), and therein come up with constructive criticisms and methods as to how to move aviation safety in Africa forwards.... remembering that it continues to have the World's worst aviation safety record.... but it's an attitude of mind lads. So please stop being so defensive... and please don't shoot the messenger, eh?!
I wish you all safe flying
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Nb. You might be interested to know that the FTM (in December 2008) suggested a course to cover the intricacies of NCAR's FTL's... because none of us (including him) were clear on the regulations as defined in the NCAR's.
Needless to say, we'd all value your own succinct description of the regulations for this; if you'd be so kind as to oblige?
TomBola - BRAVO!!!
I've offered on this thread what are (hopefully) open & constructive observations. I've not indulged in personal and / or xenophobic insults (at least I hope I haven't?!).
I (too) rather hoped that we could agree that Nigeria has problems with its aviation infrastructure, much in part because that infrastructure (and some airlines) have been run by criminals, e.g. see Nigeria arrests ex-air ministers and stuff about Arik's Chairman & Associates
I would also like to think that some could put petty squabbling & endeavours at point scoring behind them (veritably to try and be 'Professional' about how to tackle a difficult subject area), and therein come up with constructive criticisms and methods as to how to move aviation safety in Africa forwards.... remembering that it continues to have the World's worst aviation safety record.... but it's an attitude of mind lads. So please stop being so defensive... and please don't shoot the messenger, eh?!
I wish you all safe flying
OKC
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but it's an attitude of mind lads. So please stop being so defensive... and please don't shoot the messenger, eh?!
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Old king cole
you are a merry (old?) soul.
most of the problems you listed i assure you are serious violations of NCAA regulations.makes you wonder what NCAA is doing?its a problem across board, sop-less airlines,theres more to an airline than brand new airplanes.
Robust,properly written,sops effected by trng is a major safety tool,if everyone is doing what they like when they like,thats simply cowboy stuff!
for an airline trying to get IOSA certification,they will not pass if these are not addressed.
as to working conditions,i think he has given an accurate discription of ARIK in the eyes of an expat,truth may hurt some,but will help others!
rather than bitch at him why not try and tackle some of this issues head on,flying around with incomplete ships library is not ideal at all!
with all what has happened in the past,crashes et all,i cannot fathom why anyone will accept to bust duty at the behest of his employer and accept it?why dont we learn?why do we prefer to learn the hard way?
are these the new and improved safety standards in Nigeria?
dont these log books pass under NCAA nose every six months?
you are a merry (old?) soul.
most of the problems you listed i assure you are serious violations of NCAA regulations.makes you wonder what NCAA is doing?its a problem across board, sop-less airlines,theres more to an airline than brand new airplanes.
Robust,properly written,sops effected by trng is a major safety tool,if everyone is doing what they like when they like,thats simply cowboy stuff!
for an airline trying to get IOSA certification,they will not pass if these are not addressed.
as to working conditions,i think he has given an accurate discription of ARIK in the eyes of an expat,truth may hurt some,but will help others!
rather than bitch at him why not try and tackle some of this issues head on,flying around with incomplete ships library is not ideal at all!
with all what has happened in the past,crashes et all,i cannot fathom why anyone will accept to bust duty at the behest of his employer and accept it?why dont we learn?why do we prefer to learn the hard way?
are these the new and improved safety standards in Nigeria?
dont these log books pass under NCAA nose every six months?
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Guys thanks, now we are making a point on this forum. We have a problem and we need to fix it. Posting ideas on the solution will be greatly appreciated.
Can anyone access the NCAA website
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Can anyone access the NCAA website
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seper - I do indeed try to be merry and I suppose that I am now 'getting on' a tadge (but still not so old that I need the blue pills, just yet.... indeed quite the opposite!).... moving swiftly on:
One does have to wonder about the NCAA's oversight & competence(s)... E.g. one small case in point, consider that the NCAA air law exam (which you have to sit to get your license validation), has questions in it which are from the Nigerian ANO as it was in 1964 (and are now superseded / out of date)?!
Would someone remind us how much Federal funding the NCAA receives and please try to explain where it all goes, and what's happened to the radar project (the one that French company was installing for millions of £$€'s)?.... And NIJASEA I couldn't get on the NCAA web site either!
One does have to wonder about the NCAA's oversight & competence(s)... E.g. one small case in point, consider that the NCAA air law exam (which you have to sit to get your license validation), has questions in it which are from the Nigerian ANO as it was in 1964 (and are now superseded / out of date)?!
Would someone remind us how much Federal funding the NCAA receives and please try to explain where it all goes, and what's happened to the radar project (the one that French company was installing for millions of £$€'s)?.... And NIJASEA I couldn't get on the NCAA web site either!
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Well, I can access the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) website, but the other NCAA Nigerian CAA, just comes up with a blank page 
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Would someone remind us how much Federal funding the NCAA receives and please try to explain where it all goes
N21.7 billion in 2007 according to this article
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OKC,
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Then push comes to shove
So there is an FTM at Arik then.
Regarding issues relating to FTL's, if you have questions, speak to capt VE, nice guy, he'll be happy to help and explain things.
Like I said earlier, Nigeria(and of course Arik) has a long way to go and a lot of what you have said is very true but lets put out only facts. Nothing will bring me greater joy than to see Nigeria improve its standards(aviation and other sectors).
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There is seemingly no Flight Training Department at Arik.. or if there is I'd like to know who the FTM is
You might be interested to know that the FTM (in December 2008) suggested a course to cover the intricacies of NCAR's FTL's... because none of us (including him) were clear on the regulations as defined in the NCAR's.
Regarding issues relating to FTL's, if you have questions, speak to capt VE, nice guy, he'll be happy to help and explain things.
Like I said earlier, Nigeria(and of course Arik) has a long way to go and a lot of what you have said is very true but lets put out only facts. Nothing will bring me greater joy than to see Nigeria improve its standards(aviation and other sectors).
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AlternativeProcedure - there was a FTM at Arik (briefly) when I was there,...but he went on leave-rotation (back to the USA) and never came back to Lagos; Shame, 'coz he was a nice chap and very knowledgeable.
Now for those who may not be fully aware of how it works, an airlines 'Organisational Structure' is (or should be) defined within the airlines Operations Manual / Part A / Section 1.
The names of who specifically holds what Post will also be defined in that section.
The position of FTM is normally (under JAR / EASA, at least) defined as an AOC 'Post Holder' position. I.e. they have a 'legal responsibility' for what goes on in the area defined by their Post (i.e. they could end up in Court for falling short in their responsibilities and / or oversight)
The local Regulatory Authority will (always) want to be assured that Post Holders have relevant experience, are suitably qualified, and must be acceptable to the Regulatory Authority.... (they can't just be any old Tom, Dick or Harry... and / or just any old pilot, i.e. in the case of the FTM position).
When a Post Holder leaves their position, especially if it's the FTM (as it's viewed as a crucial position, in that it has such an influence on training policy and therein flight safety), the Regulator will usually have to be informed asap (i.e. within 24 hours, if my memory serves me right?!)... and they'll typically want to know why a FTM is leaving (it's not unknown for the Regulator to request an interview with an outgoing FTM, i.e. for a one-to-one chat about any 'issues' at the airline) and they'll definitely want to know what contingencies are in place for a replacement FTM.
From the crews point of view, when a Post Holder leaves their position, this is in fact a change to the 'Organisational Structure' (as defined in the Operations Manual), and should be covered by (at the very least) a 'Flight Crew Notice'.
Quite what the NCAA requires, or does, in these respects, I can't say?! I don't recall Arik issuing a FCN about the then incumbent FCM's departure... but, there again, people / pilots come and go there with such regularity, maybe they can't keep up with it all?!
Now for those who may not be fully aware of how it works, an airlines 'Organisational Structure' is (or should be) defined within the airlines Operations Manual / Part A / Section 1.
The names of who specifically holds what Post will also be defined in that section.
The position of FTM is normally (under JAR / EASA, at least) defined as an AOC 'Post Holder' position. I.e. they have a 'legal responsibility' for what goes on in the area defined by their Post (i.e. they could end up in Court for falling short in their responsibilities and / or oversight)
The local Regulatory Authority will (always) want to be assured that Post Holders have relevant experience, are suitably qualified, and must be acceptable to the Regulatory Authority.... (they can't just be any old Tom, Dick or Harry... and / or just any old pilot, i.e. in the case of the FTM position).
When a Post Holder leaves their position, especially if it's the FTM (as it's viewed as a crucial position, in that it has such an influence on training policy and therein flight safety), the Regulator will usually have to be informed asap (i.e. within 24 hours, if my memory serves me right?!)... and they'll typically want to know why a FTM is leaving (it's not unknown for the Regulator to request an interview with an outgoing FTM, i.e. for a one-to-one chat about any 'issues' at the airline) and they'll definitely want to know what contingencies are in place for a replacement FTM.
From the crews point of view, when a Post Holder leaves their position, this is in fact a change to the 'Organisational Structure' (as defined in the Operations Manual), and should be covered by (at the very least) a 'Flight Crew Notice'.
Quite what the NCAA requires, or does, in these respects, I can't say?! I don't recall Arik issuing a FCN about the then incumbent FCM's departure... but, there again, people / pilots come and go there with such regularity, maybe they can't keep up with it all?!
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BF / Arik / Nigeria / Nightfighters ???
Well .. well . well..
This guy must have upset quite a few people,if this is the case then he is a Bloody Fool,for we are here to Celebrate,Learn,Assist.. us mortals who have the priviledge of kissing Angels. The truth is hard to accept,but it could be digested if fed nicely. Lets clean up our act guys.
Cheers.
The Sarge.
This guy must have upset quite a few people,if this is the case then he is a Bloody Fool,for we are here to Celebrate,Learn,Assist.. us mortals who have the priviledge of kissing Angels. The truth is hard to accept,but it could be digested if fed nicely. Lets clean up our act guys.
Cheers.
The Sarge.
