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Old 17th Feb 2009, 10:56
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Hi all Dears,

i am an italian girl 18yo, i think to start my Flying School at the end of the High Grade here in Italy,
think to depart in august for SA, my parents are searching a good school for me, and my father is everyday in contact with a lot of FI to choose the best safe and secure school for me, hope that some of you can give me a lot of info about my new adventure, and hope also to find a lot of friends in my new house
where i think to stay for more than a year, i have look at many city, Jo'burg, Durban Pretoria etc.. but not yet made a selection, for now ciao for all and hope you want speak and write with me also if i am a very very newbie!

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why SA??

ciao,

why did u choose SA for your training?? i did my training 10 years ago so i;m not up to date...but i think USA has still the cheapest and better airspace in the world...am i wrong?

anyway...all the best with your training and happy landings!

study hard,

alessandro di milano!!:-)
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my father tell me that he like more SA, for the quality of the training and for the pleasure of the place, also we have look at the rate for the total price cost and SA is a little more cheap so we headed in that direction.
Otherwise my parents don't like much the style of life in USA,

SA wait me i'll come like a newbie bird..........

thank for your reponse

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For all........

if someone has info or experience about a school that another, please give me all the info, i want start with right foot...........

SA expert pilots for some suggest are welcome!

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Don't know a lot directly but I had a few colleagues that did their schooling with 43 airschool in Port Elisabeth (I believe) and had a good time there .Good campus , multinational students , beach ...generally more relaxed than the bigger cities . They were happy with the instruction and judging what I could by flying/talking with them later , I have to say they must have had decent training . I believe they can also help with JAA certification ( European licences ), particularly the theory part , although you might have to do some practical exams in European airspace . That's important if you want to come back in Europe to work .If you want to stay in RSA , bear in mind that you won't have priority as you're not a citizen ( work permits...) . An SA licence can be converted in other ICAO countries though (Botswana , Zambia , Australia ...) .
Good luck and enjoy SA and surroundings .(even for an Italian , the wine is pretty good as well ).

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thank you perceval i appreciate a lot your info,
i look at the school in their web site,


for the wine...........brrrrrrrr gasp, i'm too young to drink wine and don't want my future training cessna172 or piper160 go crazy with my wine/drive :-)

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A few years ago a South African friend whom I met several countries to the north asked for my advice for getting his son started in flying. After a bit of thought I put a few ideas together in an email. Here it is below with a few updates. I hope you will find it useful. I have known pilots from both 43 Air School and Progress Flight Academy and both received good training. Good luck!


You mentioned that your son is interested in learning to fly for a career. I have been giving this a bit of thought. I am not familiar with the flight schools in SA but have heard good comments about 43 Air School in Port Alfred and Progress Flight Academy in Port Elizabeth. I do not know your son’s name. Perhaps it is Biggles? Anyway, that famous name will do for now. He and you can check it out on the Internet or at the local public library in SA! Here are some things that Biggles should be considering right from the start:

He should aim from the start to obtain commercial (CPL) and then air transport (ATPL) pilot licences from two countries. I presume he will want an SA licence for one. The other should be from one of the major aviation countries: the USA and Canada or the EU. Go for the biggest and get an FAA licence. Check the SA flight schools to see if they are recognised for both licences as this would make things easier. If not, he will eventually have to go overseas to do the FAA written (computer) examinations and at least one flight test. In the meantime, obtain the red books from Gleim’s for studying for the FAA exams and flight tests. (Note that the USA and Canada now recognise each other’s pilot licences and it is easy to get a full conversion to enable a pilot to have both.)
Regardless, all flight training and exercises must meet the requirements for both licences. This applies particularly to cross-country, night and instrument flights. If there are differences then the flight must meet the more exacting requirements. He must ensure this, the flight school will not do it for him.
Aim to get the CPL with multi-engine and instrument ratings. Add-ons such as a tail wheel endorsement or float rating can be done as needed. Try to do it full-time, as fast as possible, and get into that first job.
It is always difficult to accumulate night cross-country time, particularly as pilot-in-command. He should aim to get night flying time at every opportunity.
He should do his initial and repeat aviation medicals with a Civil Aviation Medical Examiner who is able to do both SA CAA and FAA medicals. I expect there will be several in SA who are qualified for this. Check the FAA’s website for medical examiners in SA. He will need a first class medical for both countries.
From day one he should regard the world as his employment market. There is a looming international pilot shortage. Be prepared to go wherever the job is within reason – exclude Iraq, Iran and similar risky spots. Use a computer to keep a record of prospective employers, job contacts, etc. Consider buying a current CD-ROM version of JP Airline-fleets International. Many smaller air operators do not show on this but are mentioned on forums such as PPRuNe, Africa Aviation and CRANe. Make a note of their details and of the comments.
The airlines are not the only possible employers. The first job probably will be with a small air operator but later on there are still good career options outside of the airlines. There are many professional pilot jobs outside of the airlines that provide nice pay and working conditions. In Canada according to the Big Blue Book 85% of professional pilot jobs are blue collar, whereas only 15% are white collar – airline and corporate. It would be very nice for someone who likes diving, sailing and a laid-back lifestyle to be a Twin Otter captain on floats, day VFR only, in the Maldives or flying a BE1900 or Twin Otter in the Caribbean.
Although he will probably have to start his first job on a single-engine plane he should try and ensure it is with an employer who has twins that he can move up to. It is vital for the future to build multi-engine time. Take a piston twin over a turbo-prop single such as a Caravan.
Planes are noisy and cause long term hearing damage. Get the best ANC (active noise cancelling) headset he can afford. The best is the Telex Stratus 50D. Next best would be the Bose X or Lightspeed Zulu. I have a Telex Stratus 50D with a Lightspeed 20XL that I bought about ten years ago and now keep as a backup. Treat it carefully, never lend it, and guard against thieves.
Aviation is a “who you know” business. From day one he should be making contacts and recording them on a laptop computer using a database or personal contacts application. He should keep in touch with people and use the computer to refresh his memory. These contacts will help him to advance in his career. It’s a tough career to move up in for the first few years.
Check if there are any bursaries, scholarships or cadetships that he might qualify for. It is always helpful to have someone else pay for part or all of the cost.
Passports (more than one) must be kept current. If he qualifies now for only an SA passport then he should consider in the long term finding a job in another country (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK) where he can become a citizen. This might become easier as the pilot shortage develops. He would not have to stay there after becoming a citizen but would have the passport and the right to return there in future if necessary. Similarly, have more than one driver’s licence.
Immunisations for the world must be obtained and kept current ready for an immediate move anywhere. Polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, yellow fever, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, meningococcal meningitis, Japanese encephalitis, rabies, BCG vaccine for TB. Carry Artesunate malaria treatment in flight bag.
Open bank accounts in at least two separate offshore jurisdictions. It is always easier to do this in person because of anti-money laundering procedures. Combine this with a trip for a flight test or a vacation.
He should monitor the forums on www.pprune.com AVCANADA :::WELCOME::: • CRANe for the Caribbean :: Welcome, everyone!! • and subscribe to the free twice-weekly email newsletter from AVweb » The World's Premier Independent Aviation News Resource. He should also try and monitor aviation magazines such as World Airnews, Professional Pilot, and Business & Commercial Aviation. To save costs try and read these at the flight school or public library.
Always keep flying and keep building PIC time. Apart from the flight school, look for cheap flying elsewhere. I obtained hundreds of hours by towing gliders for Canada’s largest soaring association. This was done on a PPL for the cost of my annual membership. The hours counted towards obtaining the CPL. Then I moved to dropping skydivers, which requires a CPL and for which I was paid.
It is a mobile lifestyle so consider this when buying clothes, shoes, etc. Appliances, including rechargeable ones, should be dual or multi-voltage to work in different countries and should have warranties that will be honoured worldwide. Comfortable but smart footwear is needed as there can be plenty of time standing in terminal buildings or walking from one part of an airfield to another. Shoes must give good grip for standing on refuelling ladders and on top of wings for refuelling and checking oil levels. I have Etonic Sojourn and Journey shoes, both in black with velcro fastening. Hiker style shoes are useful for flights requiring a stay at safari lodges. I have a black CWU-45/P flight jacket from Alpha Industries Inc that is very useful here in the cooler season. He might want to look at some of the travel clothing available from a company such as Rohan Designs. It’s worth asking them to mail a catalogue anyway. Rohan - Travel Clothing, Outdoor Adventure Clothes, Accessories You might be interested in some of their gear. I understand there is some good clothing available from Capestorm Outdoor Apparel in SA. He could also obtain a catalogue from L. L. Bean.
The best pilot shirts come from Landerwood Corporation of Charlotte, NC. Contact Joe Claar at [email protected] Please quote code 2636 – I would get a small credit for a referral. This is something he in turn could benefit from in future.
Get first rate sunglasses suitable for flying. Check the sunglasses threads on PPRuNe and especially obtain the article on how to select sunglasses from the website of Hidalgos, Inc of Wimberley, Texas. I would suggest a Top-gradient Density Kontraster type of lens and it would help if they also protect from side glare.
Has he got a computer? I suggest a laptop such as an iBook. Get X-Plane flight simulator for it and a CH Products control yoke or good joystick. If a PC laptop is preferred then use either X-Plane or MS Flight Simulator. The flight sim will be handy later on for practising instrument scan and procedures. It will save him money when the IFR training starts.
Some other toys that Father Christmas should consider are a Mini-Maglite AA with belt pouch, a good Swiss army knife or Leatherman tool - I have a Wenger Ranger with belt pouch for just the knife, down the road a handheld GPS with TAWS such as the new Lowrance 600C but ensure it is the International database version, a Relief Band Explorer RB-EL if there is any tendency towards nausea, a Lifeventure zipped black mobile phone case with belt loop (8436) from Lifemarque, and a good pocket size digital camera. A flight bag - think carefully about the size, I have one from Sporty’s that is too big so I normally use a soft sided briefcase with shoulder strap that I obtained from L. L. Bean. A set of International Power & Phone Adaptors, ours is from Targus Canada Ltd. Try and obtain catalogues from Sporty’s Pilot Shop, Marv Golden Pilot Supplies and Harry Mendelssohn Pilot Supplies.
Never fly on an empty stomach. Always eat something, even if it is just a slice of toast.
Get an email address that works anywhere in the world. I use Yahoo email with a backup address on Gmail. Do not use PPRuNe email as it can be received everywhere but is blocked for sending in many countries and is subject to regular account suspensions.

One other option to look into is that of doing the training in the USA or Canada. Check into what it would cost at a flight school in Florida or Canada. The SA licence could then be done as an add-on.

I hope the above helps. Some of it is in the future but it should be considered now and worked towards.
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Dear Carrier,

a wonderful wonderful wonderful post this one, i think to use it now and in the future like a little bible, thank you for this great gift,

hope in the future when my dream to fly come true to give you a similar gift........

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If you need a place to stay Maliz............ ha ha Good luck
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Marliz. Is your father crazy or what? RSA is a dangerous place, I have a granddaughter your age and I would not let her be in RSA alone EVER. She was born there but she is with her family to protect and guide her. My angel do not take this advice lightly, go else where, not to RSA.
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SA is one of the place on earth where u get one of the best flight training in the world so go ahead but i'd recommend 3 schools:43 airschool in port-alfred,Progress Flight Academy down in port-elizabeth or FTS(flight training college) these schools to my opinion offers the most quality type of training.I hope this help?
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Marliz, what a pity that you have to burn first to learn. Heed what Siguarda al fine said. Please?
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RSA is only as dangerous as you make it to be, I as a south african would not go to Burundi as it is too dangerous, same goes for Chad DRC etc etc

I see a number of guys said 43, they are a good school however very expensive, come and see port elizabeth, a huge different to Johannesburg. there are 3 fine schools withtin 20mins of each other. Algoa, Progress and APTRAC.

I instruct part time at one, PM me if you want further details, but if you are staying for a year and want good quality training in a relaxed atmosphere i can definately recommend the friendly city.

Its great here on the coast and the weather will really teach you how to fly properly as we have all types!!!!
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i have look at Wonderboom, i don't know nothing about SA flight schools
but looking with my father on the web we find some well advertise school

Loutzavia
Pretoria Flying school
Eagle Aviation


Lanseria:

Aeronav
Foster Aero

Brakpan;
Airborne Aviation

Kitty Hawk:
Superb Flying school

Bloemfonteine:
Westline Aviation

Durban:
Aviation Training

Mfikeng:

AUAA

and so on, the choose is very difficult, also because not all the schools give accomodations, and stay lone in some self catering house is not a great idea!!


Otherwise my father is in contact and i hope he find the right school and the right place for me like every father!


But August is yet 5 months and we have time..........

stay tuned

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Well seeing as you seem set on SA rather than the US I thought I'd put in my two cents for what it's worth.

I agree with most of the posters here - get a school somewhere on the coast, make sure the accommodations are close to the airport, if possible stay at a residential school unless you're willing to rent an apartment on your own, and willing to buy a car. Forget about using public transport, it's practically non-existent and in any case dangerous to a young girl on her own. Also you would have to walk miles between where you live to where you can get on, and likewise between where you get off and where you would want to be.

I learnt to fly in George at a residential school and enjoyed it immensely. Make sure whichever school you go to that you know what you're getting into. You wouldn't want to get there and discover that you live 20 km from the airport with no means of getting there.

One more thing I would suggest is getting yourself a hand-held radio. It will help you to get used to the speed of the radio work, and the English (a special brand of English as you'll hear), and will make your flying that much more fun.

PM me if you would like to know more.

Have fun down there.
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eeeeeerrrrrrrrrr, one little thing......obvious i know!! i am not so stupid!

what do you think i want work in Europe??

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Because when the **** hits the fan in SA, you'll wanna get the hell outta dodge!!

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Old 18th Feb 2009, 20:48
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oh please ...prophets of doom be gone . Nothing wrong with wanting to live and work somewhere else . And How do you want to work in Europe anyway ...The **** here IS hitting the fan . At least the weather is nicer down south .
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Nothing wrong with wanting to live somewhere else I couldn't agree more, variety is the spice of life, however quality of life does come into play (for me).

I was in Zimbabwe 10 years ago and how things have changed. I have some SA colleagues who think it's heading the same way too. Sadly it is doom and gloom, but reality perception has to come into play "See things as they are, not as you would like them to be".

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Burundi dangerous? Have you ever been here? We sleep with the windows open and the doors unlocked and allways have done, I dont believe you can do that in the murder culture you bask in.
My Italian angel, you wont be able to work in RSA without a work permit and they are difficult to secure.
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