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ok ok ok........time out!!!!
then, i must made a breath before..................
Just for clear some concept!
i want start my flying school in SA, i like that place
i know that is dangerous but here in Italy we live
at the centre of 97 Nuclear Power Plant around us
From Spain to France, Swiss, Austria, Slovenia, Croazia, Greece, i don't know how prob i have if one of this
go wrong, so i like the open space of SA and fly over that and not over here!
I never claim that i want work in Europe, a lot of you tell me that i must convert Jaa, convert here convert there, no work for me, etccc.
For the last time a that this is very very clear!!!!
I DON'T WANT WORK IN EUROPE AFTER MY FLYING SCHOOL!!
I want live, fly, be happy, have friends, see the world
have a family, extreme normal things no more of this,
very simple, i don't want Airline company, 747 Airbus,
NG non NG Super type rating etc......i leave all of this to you, i only can fly for safari? ok is good for me, i can only fly C210 or some little chrter, well non problem, i only can made air spray, best for you! i leave at you all the place in all the gorgeus great airfamouscompanyawarded in the world, take it all, i just want fly, simply, look around look at the animals, look at the life look at the sky, and look at me...........
If for someone kisses are a problem and are not serious ok, no more kisses!
ciao Fedy
then, i must made a breath before..................
Just for clear some concept!
i want start my flying school in SA, i like that place
i know that is dangerous but here in Italy we live
at the centre of 97 Nuclear Power Plant around us
From Spain to France, Swiss, Austria, Slovenia, Croazia, Greece, i don't know how prob i have if one of this
go wrong, so i like the open space of SA and fly over that and not over here!
I never claim that i want work in Europe, a lot of you tell me that i must convert Jaa, convert here convert there, no work for me, etccc.
For the last time a that this is very very clear!!!!
I DON'T WANT WORK IN EUROPE AFTER MY FLYING SCHOOL!!
I want live, fly, be happy, have friends, see the world
have a family, extreme normal things no more of this,
very simple, i don't want Airline company, 747 Airbus,
NG non NG Super type rating etc......i leave all of this to you, i only can fly for safari? ok is good for me, i can only fly C210 or some little chrter, well non problem, i only can made air spray, best for you! i leave at you all the place in all the gorgeus great airfamouscompanyawarded in the world, take it all, i just want fly, simply, look around look at the animals, look at the life look at the sky, and look at me...........
If for someone kisses are a problem and are not serious ok, no more kisses!
ciao Fedy
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Dear Marliz,
I wish you succeed in everything you plan for your life and future. I was starting to admire your determination and maturity till this last post that reminded me that after all you are just a teenager that still have to learn what patience and respect is and I advice you to start controlling your reactions if you want to survive wherever you may decide to go!
Another African proverb (besides the one from the title) says "It's a bad child who does not take advice" so be a good girl and don't behave as a brat.
Just take into account all advices that people here gave you all with the best intentions and do as you like. After all no one obliged you to do something that you don't like and what makes you furious is maybe the fact that you have realized that things are not so simple as you may have imagined! Maybe you need to grow up a little bit more before taking this step !
Good luck because you'll need it!
I wish you succeed in everything you plan for your life and future. I was starting to admire your determination and maturity till this last post that reminded me that after all you are just a teenager that still have to learn what patience and respect is and I advice you to start controlling your reactions if you want to survive wherever you may decide to go!
Another African proverb (besides the one from the title) says "It's a bad child who does not take advice" so be a good girl and don't behave as a brat.
Just take into account all advices that people here gave you all with the best intentions and do as you like. After all no one obliged you to do something that you don't like and what makes you furious is maybe the fact that you have realized that things are not so simple as you may have imagined! Maybe you need to grow up a little bit more before taking this step !Good luck because you'll need it!
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In that case I recommend you go do your PPL somewhere on vacation in SA or wherever so that you can have fun. Then go to college or university and get a degree in something you like, while you can always hourbuild between semesters. Then go for the higher licences-you will have more life experience and confidence, it will be more likely to land a job and if all else fails you have something to fall back on - a very good thing to have. You are young and have all the time in the world.
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Fedy,
Propellerpilot has made some good suggestions. Having a degree and something to fall back on is something to consider.
You asked for advice so please take it as it was given. Many of us who commented on this thread are concerned for your future well being and safety. The suggestion to do your Private Pilot course while on a holiday, would be a prudent step to consider.
I realize that it sounds thrilling to be an African Bush Pilot, flying around the bush all day. Books and Movies make it seem so. However, my first job was flying a Cessna 140 on floats in the bush of Northern Maine. Bush flying is not all the movies or books make it out to be. Long hours, hard work, old tired airplanes, pushy bosses and passengers and so on. It can and does get old quite quickly.
The world looks much different through 18 year old eyes, than it does 50, 40 or even 30 year old eyes. It is much easier to learn when you are younger, so look at getting good qualifications and background as early as possible. Please keep in mind, that while you presently do not want to fly in Europe, you as a EU citizen will always have the right to work there. So having JAA qualifications will give some sort of backup. Plus JAA and FAA qualifications are among the easiest certificates to get validated in other countries.
I started like you many years ago. I did my training right out of High School and got my private, commercial, instrument and instructor one after another. While I was attending college. It isn't easy and the hours were long. I flew full time in the summer, fire patrol, instructing and so on. When I started looking at this career field, I talked with as many professional pilots I could. This was well before the internet and I was in a small area. Just about everyone I talked with told me to get a degree. This industry will always have its ups and downs, so having something else to back you up is well worth considering. Plus I have gotten a few jobs, just because I had a degree. As I look back at it now, I am glad I did get the degree, because if I did not, I would presently be looking back at my life saying, 'If only I had done this'. That is not a good feeling to have late in your career.
Working in this industry has never been easy. Your life will always be controlled by the economy, long odd hours, changing time zones, and so on. When you commit to this industry you are committing yourself to a lifestyle that most people will never understand or be able to deal with.
Propellerpilot has made some good suggestions. Having a degree and something to fall back on is something to consider.
You asked for advice so please take it as it was given. Many of us who commented on this thread are concerned for your future well being and safety. The suggestion to do your Private Pilot course while on a holiday, would be a prudent step to consider.
I realize that it sounds thrilling to be an African Bush Pilot, flying around the bush all day. Books and Movies make it seem so. However, my first job was flying a Cessna 140 on floats in the bush of Northern Maine. Bush flying is not all the movies or books make it out to be. Long hours, hard work, old tired airplanes, pushy bosses and passengers and so on. It can and does get old quite quickly.
The world looks much different through 18 year old eyes, than it does 50, 40 or even 30 year old eyes. It is much easier to learn when you are younger, so look at getting good qualifications and background as early as possible. Please keep in mind, that while you presently do not want to fly in Europe, you as a EU citizen will always have the right to work there. So having JAA qualifications will give some sort of backup. Plus JAA and FAA qualifications are among the easiest certificates to get validated in other countries.
I started like you many years ago. I did my training right out of High School and got my private, commercial, instrument and instructor one after another. While I was attending college. It isn't easy and the hours were long. I flew full time in the summer, fire patrol, instructing and so on. When I started looking at this career field, I talked with as many professional pilots I could. This was well before the internet and I was in a small area. Just about everyone I talked with told me to get a degree. This industry will always have its ups and downs, so having something else to back you up is well worth considering. Plus I have gotten a few jobs, just because I had a degree. As I look back at it now, I am glad I did get the degree, because if I did not, I would presently be looking back at my life saying, 'If only I had done this'. That is not a good feeling to have late in your career.
Working in this industry has never been easy. Your life will always be controlled by the economy, long odd hours, changing time zones, and so on. When you commit to this industry you are committing yourself to a lifestyle that most people will never understand or be able to deal with.
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Well, this thread has turned into something special. All the poor girl wanted to know was some recommendations for a flight school in South Africa, and it has turned into a lesson in life for her, travel advice, emotional advice, and some bizzare suggestions for her to start training in countries she is not even interested in. How about just answering her question?
Marliz, I can't answer your question either, but the best suggestion I can make is get together a shortlist of schools, in various places here, come over, and spend a couple of weeks traveling to each one to give you a feel for the place and the schools before you commit to a particular one.
good luck
Marliz, I can't answer your question either, but the best suggestion I can make is get together a shortlist of schools, in various places here, come over, and spend a couple of weeks traveling to each one to give you a feel for the place and the schools before you commit to a particular one.
good luck
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Well done boys - I love the way in which you all take pity on Marliz (seriously) and it makes me proud to be a man.
If the thread was started by an 18 year old male prospective student we would have had 3 replies
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Marliz - I will adopt you for 18 months then you can live in Pretoria and do your CPL at Loutzavia - I can recommend a good instructor who incidentally is also my son
If the thread was started by an 18 year old male prospective student we would have had 3 replies
. Marliz - I will adopt you for 18 months then you can live in Pretoria and do your CPL at Loutzavia - I can recommend a good instructor who incidentally is also my son
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Dear eish, thank you for the support, i have start a contact with someone at Loutzavia, don't know if he is your son or not, but was very fine with me and my father, like i said before i plan a trip to SA to visit some schools, for my study here in Italy (is the last year for me) i can only stay in SA 7 days to do this so i must made a circle of the
most good and serious schools around, i appreciate if you can give me in PM some good info or some address where i can go and talk,
obvious i must stay in SA for at least 1 year after i decide where
and then i need a good and serious instructor that take my hand and take me to CPL like a father.
Hope my dream come true but also understand everyday that is an hard road.
regards
Fedy
most good and serious schools around, i appreciate if you can give me in PM some good info or some address where i can go and talk,
obvious i must stay in SA for at least 1 year after i decide where
and then i need a good and serious instructor that take my hand and take me to CPL like a father.
Hope my dream come true but also understand everyday that is an hard road.
regards
Fedy
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i plan to depart from Italy in the last days of february
if my father can take some days far away from his work,
we have look at a lot of school, and after a lot of contact the circle is
more small. i like some school that impressed me also on the web,
otherwise some other don't like, hope to made the right thing
in the meantime all suggest and info are always welcome.
regards
Fedy
if my father can take some days far away from his work,
we have look at a lot of school, and after a lot of contact the circle is
more small. i like some school that impressed me also on the web,
otherwise some other don't like, hope to made the right thing
in the meantime all suggest and info are always welcome.
regards
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Do yourself a favor and go and look at Progress Flight Academy.Their website is really bad,but its been like that for years!
The school is really good and has very high standards, and I reckon with the accomodation they offer it will suit your needs prefectly.
Their fleet is also really young.90% of their aircraft is under 10 years old.
Also the weather in PE is ideal for all your training needs.Bad weather every now and then, but that's exactly what you will need when you do your IF training.
Good luck.
The school is really good and has very high standards, and I reckon with the accomodation they offer it will suit your needs prefectly.
Their fleet is also really young.90% of their aircraft is under 10 years old.
Also the weather in PE is ideal for all your training needs.Bad weather every now and then, but that's exactly what you will need when you do your IF training.
Good luck.
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Hi Fedy,
I assume you want to become a professional pilot.
If you just want to please your Dad and spend lots of money, then go to SA. Try these and other fine schools/contacts already mentioned in earlier threads:
www.algoafc.co.za TEL. +27-415813274
CFI DAVE PERELSON TEL +27-827722961
CFI (Ms.) IVANHOE PERELSON TEL +27-825771794
or
www.43airschool.com
CFI RUSSELL LANGLEY TEL +27-722193658
* * *
Why not then earn a FAA pilot certificate in Europe: www.orbifly.com it will cost you the same kind of money you will spend in SA, not more! And it will be in a better aircraft (Europa, Diamond or Cirrus), busier airspace and in a more challenging environment & weather. www.orbifly.com/index.php?mode=tutor&lang=ENG
* * *
If you want to become a better pilot, compared to merely have an expensive "paper pilot license”; and enjoy a real aviation experience, then go to the US and learn to fly in an environment where aviation is, and always has been, a normal activity, and not an extraordinary one as it is in the rest of the world.
Make sure to also participate at the EAA Airventure in Oshkosh (end July/early August).
Forget the political views of your father: go to the US, you won't regret it! And, the money you will save in learning to fly there will allow you to give a substantial donation to a good humanitarian cause in Africa. I mean it!
Here are a few contacts I can recommend (but remember: the most important is to find a good or excellent instructor, not a school):
www.prairieairservice.com TEL +1-316-778-1712 -- CFI Herb Pello
www.iflytailwind.net -- CFI Bruce Vogel, TEL +1-720-201-2063
www.atpflightschool.com -- All CFIs I met there were really good!
To prepare and pass FAA written test(s): www.aviationseminars.com
To prepare for the FAA oral exams and check rides: www.kingschools.com
Check also these web sites:
www.aopa.org/learntofly
www.beapilot.com
www.eaa.org
www.eaa.org/apps/blog/learntofly/Default.aspx
www.ninety-nines.org/license.html
( www.airventure.org )
Happy Landings, Buona Fortuna,
I assume you want to become a professional pilot.
If you just want to please your Dad and spend lots of money, then go to SA. Try these and other fine schools/contacts already mentioned in earlier threads:
www.algoafc.co.za TEL. +27-415813274
CFI DAVE PERELSON TEL +27-827722961
CFI (Ms.) IVANHOE PERELSON TEL +27-825771794
or
www.43airschool.com
CFI RUSSELL LANGLEY TEL +27-722193658
* * *
Why not then earn a FAA pilot certificate in Europe: www.orbifly.com it will cost you the same kind of money you will spend in SA, not more! And it will be in a better aircraft (Europa, Diamond or Cirrus), busier airspace and in a more challenging environment & weather. www.orbifly.com/index.php?mode=tutor&lang=ENG
* * *
If you want to become a better pilot, compared to merely have an expensive "paper pilot license”; and enjoy a real aviation experience, then go to the US and learn to fly in an environment where aviation is, and always has been, a normal activity, and not an extraordinary one as it is in the rest of the world.
Make sure to also participate at the EAA Airventure in Oshkosh (end July/early August).
Forget the political views of your father: go to the US, you won't regret it! And, the money you will save in learning to fly there will allow you to give a substantial donation to a good humanitarian cause in Africa. I mean it!
Here are a few contacts I can recommend (but remember: the most important is to find a good or excellent instructor, not a school):
www.prairieairservice.com TEL +1-316-778-1712 -- CFI Herb Pello
www.iflytailwind.net -- CFI Bruce Vogel, TEL +1-720-201-2063
www.atpflightschool.com -- All CFIs I met there were really good!
To prepare and pass FAA written test(s): www.aviationseminars.com
To prepare for the FAA oral exams and check rides: www.kingschools.com
Check also these web sites:
www.aopa.org/learntofly
www.beapilot.com
www.eaa.org
www.eaa.org/apps/blog/learntofly/Default.aspx
www.ninety-nines.org/license.html
( www.airventure.org )
Happy Landings, Buona Fortuna,
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Ok all is done, i want thanks many people that help me in find and contact schools in SA, i want thanks in particular a guy that help me a lot, i have arranged a meet with him here in Milan with my father, you all give me a lot of info, some more some less, and i appreciate, in the future i hope to see one two or more of you out there in SA, who know what the future reserve for us?
Have a nice flying and a gret day!
Kisses for all
Fedy
Have a nice flying and a gret day!
Kisses for all
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Ciao Fedy,
after all the discussion here, would you mind to tell us where and how you actually intend to undergo your training?
May be see you in RSA air space then...
Happy landings!
after all the discussion here, would you mind to tell us where and how you actually intend to undergo your training?
May be see you in RSA air space then...
Happy landings!
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at the moment i have 3 options, the choice is only now a logistic question.
I am a girl i need a safe and secure place where live for about 1 year
close to the airport is not now important stay in Lanseria, Wonderboom or Grand Central, important is solve this question.
when decide about this 3 options i am happy to tell you!
Fedy
I am a girl i need a safe and secure place where live for about 1 year
close to the airport is not now important stay in Lanseria, Wonderboom or Grand Central, important is solve this question.
when decide about this 3 options i am happy to tell you!
Fedy
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From Dublin here, heading down to Cape Town for PPL, is it really that dangerous? Can anyone point me in the right direction for decent apartments/areas near FACT?
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Hey Marliz, for a number of reasons I wouldn't go to Jo'burgh. Firstly without a vehicle you can't go anywhere and it's wayyy to spread out to use private taxis. That said you'll need a vehicle, a car anyway. Hope you have a drivers license.
I came here from the UK in 2002, straight to George but, I already had a Canadian private license and most of my hours. I found the level of organization in SA pilot training quite hit and miss. Also the curriculum for the PPL in those days was very dated compared to Canada/USA, maybe this has changed. The controllers here feel that they are Gods irritated by pilots. The controllers in North America feel they are service providers to pilots.
You don't need a South African pilots license to fly in Africa. To see the world there better things than being a pilot.
To alpha_lima_xray: Go down the bottom of Blouberg road in Cape Town and you'll see many estate agents with properties to rent on short and long term basis. Count on about $500 USD per month. It's hard for me to answer the dangerous bit as I've been on this continent along time now and am a bit desensitized but, South Africans tend to be drama queens when talking about it. They seem to have the impression that rape, murder and car jacking is peculiarly South African. Put it this way, plenty of young South Africans go out at night in certain areas and enjoy a fairly enviable outdoor lifestyle compared with many other countries. You do have to have your wits about you and make friends here who can show you the ropes but beyond that there are bad areas and good areas like everywhere else in the world.
Good luck.
I came here from the UK in 2002, straight to George but, I already had a Canadian private license and most of my hours. I found the level of organization in SA pilot training quite hit and miss. Also the curriculum for the PPL in those days was very dated compared to Canada/USA, maybe this has changed. The controllers here feel that they are Gods irritated by pilots. The controllers in North America feel they are service providers to pilots.
You don't need a South African pilots license to fly in Africa. To see the world there better things than being a pilot.
To alpha_lima_xray: Go down the bottom of Blouberg road in Cape Town and you'll see many estate agents with properties to rent on short and long term basis. Count on about $500 USD per month. It's hard for me to answer the dangerous bit as I've been on this continent along time now and am a bit desensitized but, South Africans tend to be drama queens when talking about it. They seem to have the impression that rape, murder and car jacking is peculiarly South African. Put it this way, plenty of young South Africans go out at night in certain areas and enjoy a fairly enviable outdoor lifestyle compared with many other countries. You do have to have your wits about you and make friends here who can show you the ropes but beyond that there are bad areas and good areas like everywhere else in the world.
Good luck.
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Alpha lima xray,
Your best option would be to rent in the CBD or City bowl. I have a flat in the city bowl that I rent out to pilots for R3500 a month. You will be able to get a place for around R3000 min.
Failing that, if you are Afrikaans go stay in the northern suburbs, places like Durbanville, Blouberg, or if you are English speaking stay in the southern suburbs, like Claremont, Kennilworth. (This is a grossly steriotyped statement)
I would stay away from Observatory, Mobray, Athlone, and anywhere within 10 kms of FACT. If you look on a map of Capetown you will see these places and get an idea.
Make sure you have your own transport as there effectively isn't a public transport system.
Capetown is a safe place, you just have to keep your wits about you a bit more than you would in European cities.
Good luck
Your best option would be to rent in the CBD or City bowl. I have a flat in the city bowl that I rent out to pilots for R3500 a month. You will be able to get a place for around R3000 min.
Failing that, if you are Afrikaans go stay in the northern suburbs, places like Durbanville, Blouberg, or if you are English speaking stay in the southern suburbs, like Claremont, Kennilworth. (This is a grossly steriotyped statement)
I would stay away from Observatory, Mobray, Athlone, and anywhere within 10 kms of FACT. If you look on a map of Capetown you will see these places and get an idea.
Make sure you have your own transport as there effectively isn't a public transport system.
Capetown is a safe place, you just have to keep your wits about you a bit more than you would in European cities.
Good luck
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Ever thought of Namibia? VERY safe, flying is not that expensive AND with its excellent weather - makes it an ideal place to do flight training. Lots of private and other accommodation available.
Contact me at [email protected] for more info if you're serious about this.
Contact me at [email protected] for more info if you're serious about this.