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Old 10th Nov 2008, 02:50
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Bad Grammar - Sorry

apologies for the bad grammar yesterday. no apology for the logic.
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Apart from that, because Comair has no access to the government purse

Who do you think gave Comair there first jets, routes and training?

The old Nat government of course.

Before that it was Daks and F27's.

If it was'nt for the appartheid govenment's help I do not think Novik would get so much air time - unless there was some scandal in aircraft sales.
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loandslo, please quantify your statement.

If you had ANY knowledge about Comair's operation you'll note that they only started operating the B737's after the Nats left the scene.

The 3 737's were "basic" aircraft that they bought when they became redundant from SAA. They weren't "given" anything.

Before that they leased a F28 for a short while to test the waters.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 13:04
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...to subsidise and support SAA, SA Express and Mango.
South Africa: SA Express Flying High on New Fuel-Efficient Aircraft

Business Day (Johannesburg)

13 November 2008

Julius Baumann
Johannesburg

DESPITE a surge in fuel prices in the year to September, regional airline South African Express (SAX) posted a net profit of R201m, boosted by a 14,3% rise in turnover.

In the year under review oil prices surged dramatically, reaching a record $147 a barrel in mid-July. Yet the state-owned airline's total fuel cost decreased 0,1% to R286,87m from R287,17m the year before.

SAX, which did not hedge against the rising oil price during that period, attributed the cost containment to the use of modern, fuel efficient aircraft.

SAX has grown its fleet to 21, taking delivery of two new Bombardier Q400m turboprop aircraft during the year. A further two aircraft will be delivered by the end of the year.

The operating profit margin increased from 19% in the last financial year to 25% this year due to a positive growth in revenue and operational efficiency gains.

"Our financial success is also the result of investing in the right aircraft. Our aircraft are more efficient with lower fuel burn," said CEO Sizakele Mzimela.

She said the volatile oil price continued to pose challenges for SAX. "In response, we have acted swiftly to manage capacity, preserve liquidity and aggressively manage our costs."

During the year the airline increased the number of passengers carried during the 2007-08 financial year 6%.

Rich Mkhondo, head of corporate affairs, said the airline would continue to expand its network in the year ahead.
And now we understand their concerns, as one of the Government "Sponsored" airlines makes 324% more profit than the Novicks

Rising fuel costs eat into Comair’s Profit

By: Chanel Pringle

Published: 17 Sep 08 - 10:45

Operator of British Airways and kulula airliners in Southern Africa, Comair, on Wednesday reported that the second half of its 2008 financial year had been the toughest trading environment in the history of the airline industry, with high oil prices negatively impacting on the group's costs and earnings.

The group, led by joint-CEO's Gidon Novick and Erik Venter, said in a statement to shareholders that oil now represented over one-half of its costs.

Comair's net profit declined by 43% to R62-million for the year ended June 30, compared with R109-million the year before, mainly owing to a R380-million increase in the group's fuel costs.
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Originally Posted by Q4VNS
Government "Sponsored" airlines
And, if I read the income statement correctly, not a single sent received from the tax payer.

Well done SAX. This is how a government owned airline should be run.
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Old 17th Nov 2008, 13:50
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Quantifying

Comair started operating Boeing 737-200's in 1992.

First free and fair elections in South Africa in 1994.

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Old 18th Nov 2008, 07:21
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They will pay a dividend if the directors (appointed by the shareholder) decide to do so. Or they may choose to reinvest it in the business and get some more aircraft!
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Old 18th Nov 2008, 12:22
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"The 3 737's were "basic" aircraft that they bought when they became redundant from SAA. They weren't "given" anything."



Yes, I remember these. Weren't they quietly sold to Comair for an undisclosed sum, instead of following the tender procedures normally associated with Transnet (hence SAA).

I also seem to remember that Flitestar were very keen to get their mitts on them (after discovering the A320's were rather expensive to operate), even to the extent of taking the issue to court. Apparently the SAA management of the time saw Comair (being leisure orientated) as less of a rival than Flightstar (business orientated). I think Flitestar collapsed before the case went to court.
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Old 18th Nov 2008, 17:07
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Dare i ask the question who crewed the 737's for Comair initially ......
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A disgrace! Time to level the playing field once and for all!
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Old 19th Nov 2008, 05:16
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Originally Posted by loandslo
Comair started operating Boeing 737-200's in 1992.

First free and fair elections in South Africa in 1994.
So....before those elections, people couldn't buy things for money? It had to be some kind of political favour?

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Dare i ask the question who crewed the 737's for Comair initially ......
I don't know the answer to that (rhetorical?) question - but I suppose the real question is who paid them?

Anyway, it's great that SAX made a profit - one day Mango might do the same. But the bottom line is that they should be standing on their own two feet all the time. It's all very well being proud of how profitable SAX is, but the fact of the matter is that they know if times get tough, it's bailout time. Companies like 1T, Comair etc know that if things go bad, that's it...game over. No second chance, no magic parachute. It makes for more cautious thinking on their part I would imagine.
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Old 19th Nov 2008, 12:56
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Dare i ask the question who crewed the 737's for Comair initially ......

SAA crew flew for them until SAA finished training the Comair crews.

As for political favours...

I have not seen any other airlines go out of their way to give their routes, aircraft, crew and training - all for an undisclosed sum to the competition for fun...

You decide.
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Old 20th Nov 2008, 03:03
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and only a R 1m loss

A loss of around R380 million, I believe...
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Question financial results

I was just wondering if mango has published it's financial results for 2008-2009 yet? If I'am not mistaken they had two years to get this thing working!

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