Sanctions Urged against British Airways for leaving a 'Sultan' behind
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Not V1 ex DNMM, but climbing through FL10 knowing I can make Accra if I loose a donk! At V1 with a donk gone, shag that going back to that ****e hole!
Yes and I do know some awfully nice, and honest Nigerians in our industry.
Yes and I do know some awfully nice, and honest Nigerians in our industry.
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Stereotyping is Unproductive and Misleading.
Dozy I'm with you on this. Sadly Nigerians have been vilified and type cast by the rest of the world and misled by the media. Yes there are big problems but no worse than any other third world previously colonised country. There is no excuse for the bad behaviour of people described in this thread. But there is also no excuse for stereoptyping all citizens because of the bad behaviour of some. I also take your point about the poor example set by former colonial masters. Sorry for the drift, but this type of vilification cannot be allowed to go unremarked. Nothing to do with racism either.
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I am sure that if the Captain had got off his arse and walked over to the VIP suite and introduced himself, explained that departure was imminent, that an on time departure with the "VIP" would have happened, every one would have been happy and BA would have retained a high paying passenger.
Instead every one is rejoycing.... I find that rather sad. When in Rome........
Instead every one is rejoycing.... I find that rather sad. When in Rome........
I am sure that if the Captain had got off his arse and walked over to the VIP suite and introduced himself, explained that departure was imminent, that an on time departure with the "VIP" would have happened, every one would have been happy and BA would have retained a high paying passenger.
Instead every one is rejoycing.... I find that rather sad. When in Rome........
Instead every one is rejoycing.... I find that rather sad. When in Rome........
Perhaps you would also like the Captain to get of his arse and carry the Sultan's bags. When in Nigeria . . . . . . eat Occra Stew!
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Good on BA. Like PC767 says, Euro royalty in general tends to be painfully aware of their status and their impact on the lives of their subjects and other pax. Yes, you get the occasional stroppy prince(ss), but the older ones tend to be unassuming, considerate and try to get there with a minimum of fuss and pomp.
As for Africa, yes, unfortunately in Africa and the Middle East the whole "the more important I think I am the longer I'll let you wait" adage is well alive and kicking, especially by despots, dictators and general wannabes.
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As for Africa, yes, unfortunately in Africa and the Middle East the whole "the more important I think I am the longer I'll let you wait" adage is well alive and kicking, especially by despots, dictators and general wannabes.
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Somehow Africa and political correctness do not mix.
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A definition of happiness in Lagos, is arriving at MDA with enough fuel to return to LGW (fuel tankering mid-nineties due pipeline contamination).
Makes decision-making somewhat easier.
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Dozy
Nigerians aside, you know nothing about the English!
You claim it is from the Empire they learnt this behaviour. However that by British standards would be considered shocking rudeness.
In fact the element of Nigerian culture that informs the comments here is exactly the opposite of Victorian British values that pervaded the Empire. In Nigeria it is considered praiseworthy behaviour to get as much reward as possible for as little effort as can be made. How could that have been learnt from the Victorian work ethic?
The people who run successful scams are looked up to. Note that current British culture does not consider lager drinking and fighting in Ibiza as something to be praised, so your comparison is not equivalent. If we did then that would be a reason to criticise Britain as a whole.
At one time I worked with one person born in Nigeria and another born in the UK but largely brought up in Ghana by his mother's family. Neither one had anything good to say about Nigeria; they had views in line with those posting here who have actually been to West Africa.
You are in fact making a generalisation about Britain that is wrong and unfair, when complaining about people making generalisations about Nigeria which appear by all the evidence I can see to be well-founded. At the very least you have no idea whether they are justified or not. As an old friend used to say, “pot this is kettle, colour check, over”.
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Stereotypes and generalisation are mechanisms the human brain uses to remember large amounts of information, by using the stereotype as a reference point. If you don't use them then you can only know a tiny fraction of what any normal human does, so are probably ill-equipped to comment. However since you can use a computer and write correct English with correct spelling then you do.
What do you know about the behaviour of the colonial administration? Why is it different from the known behaviour of the colonial administrations everywhere else in the British Empire? Why are you claiming that they are all have problems bad as Nigeria, with no reason to attack these other countries and stereotype the former colonies on the bad example of Nigeria?
Nigerians aside, you know nothing about the English!
You claim it is from the Empire they learnt this behaviour. However that by British standards would be considered shocking rudeness.
In fact the element of Nigerian culture that informs the comments here is exactly the opposite of Victorian British values that pervaded the Empire. In Nigeria it is considered praiseworthy behaviour to get as much reward as possible for as little effort as can be made. How could that have been learnt from the Victorian work ethic?
The people who run successful scams are looked up to. Note that current British culture does not consider lager drinking and fighting in Ibiza as something to be praised, so your comparison is not equivalent. If we did then that would be a reason to criticise Britain as a whole.
At one time I worked with one person born in Nigeria and another born in the UK but largely brought up in Ghana by his mother's family. Neither one had anything good to say about Nigeria; they had views in line with those posting here who have actually been to West Africa.
You are in fact making a generalisation about Britain that is wrong and unfair, when complaining about people making generalisations about Nigeria which appear by all the evidence I can see to be well-founded. At the very least you have no idea whether they are justified or not. As an old friend used to say, “pot this is kettle, colour check, over”.
Paulg
Stereotypes and generalisation are mechanisms the human brain uses to remember large amounts of information, by using the stereotype as a reference point. If you don't use them then you can only know a tiny fraction of what any normal human does, so are probably ill-equipped to comment. However since you can use a computer and write correct English with correct spelling then you do.
What do you know about the behaviour of the colonial administration? Why is it different from the known behaviour of the colonial administrations everywhere else in the British Empire? Why are you claiming that they are all have problems bad as Nigeria, with no reason to attack these other countries and stereotype the former colonies on the bad example of Nigeria?
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a foremost Monarch
This esteemed gent's patch is a component part of the sovereign nation Nigeria.
hence...
he's a bit lower down the kingly pecking order than a "foremost Monarch".
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dozy and Paul,
Have either of you ever been to west africa?
If you have then I applaud that your optimistic view of human nature has remained untainted by your experiences down there.
If you haven't then take on board the views of those of us that spend time down there. Its not a biggoted or racist view, it's the way it is in that part of the world.
Have either of you ever been to west africa?
If you have then I applaud that your optimistic view of human nature has remained untainted by your experiences down there.
If you haven't then take on board the views of those of us that spend time down there. Its not a biggoted or racist view, it's the way it is in that part of the world.
I have memories of Lagos going back to 1974 and guess what - apart from the white rhino we flew in from Kenya pissing on the ikeja tarmac for a good ten minutes after being offloaded, they are all bad!
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Nigeria - think OKADA
How many folks did the Chief shaft, in and out of country? What of his esteemed son who was caught at the border with stashes of NAA dosh.
Yes I have visited and worked in Nigeria after time in East Af., bloody hell talk about a different world!
Nigeria is Nigeria, let Nigerians do Nigerian things, lets keep the **** away, let them stew with looted dosh, oil and every scam known to man (hey and some we don't know) folks check the Saffer site for some Nigerian stories.
Yes I have visited and worked in Nigeria after time in East Af., bloody hell talk about a different world!
Nigeria is Nigeria, let Nigerians do Nigerian things, lets keep the **** away, let them stew with looted dosh, oil and every scam known to man (hey and some we don't know) folks check the Saffer site for some Nigerian stories.
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The Nigerian approach to business is the same as : The approach of Robert Mugabe to Zimbabwe and it's peoples.
If the Brits are to be blamed for the way some Nigerians behave - then we are also to blame for Mugabe? I don't think so.
The reputation that each nation gets is a stereotype of their prevailing characteristic. Well know examples:
Australia: Beer, Rugby, a general oafish masculinity coupled with determination
Germany: Hard work and precision (and Beer)
Japan: Hard work and politeness
Italy: Not hard work and a 'tomorrow is another day' approach
These characteristics are based on long understood truths but are NEVER deemed to be anything more than generalisations. For example, having lived in Germany, I know full well what a great sense of humour they have.
This Nigerian citizen, who carries a courtesy title relating to religion not political or social status, wanted the commercial world to stop for him.
Clearly, his staff made a MAJOR b@llsup by not ensuring that he was on the plane and it is the STAFF who are creating a stink to cover their own mess. It is SOP.
If the Brits are to be blamed for the way some Nigerians behave - then we are also to blame for Mugabe? I don't think so.
The reputation that each nation gets is a stereotype of their prevailing characteristic. Well know examples:
Australia: Beer, Rugby, a general oafish masculinity coupled with determination
Germany: Hard work and precision (and Beer)
Japan: Hard work and politeness
Italy: Not hard work and a 'tomorrow is another day' approach
These characteristics are based on long understood truths but are NEVER deemed to be anything more than generalisations. For example, having lived in Germany, I know full well what a great sense of humour they have.
This Nigerian citizen, who carries a courtesy title relating to religion not political or social status, wanted the commercial world to stop for him.
Clearly, his staff made a MAJOR b@llsup by not ensuring that he was on the plane and it is the STAFF who are creating a stink to cover their own mess. It is SOP.
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OK, I'm going to say my peace here and hope this thread is banished to Jet Blast, where, given the tone of some of the replies, it belongs.
You're right - I've never been to West Africa and as such I may be considered ill-equipped to comment. It doesn't bother me in the slightest how awful it may be, but I'd hope that given the level of education and life experience it takes to make a good airline pilot, that some on here would show a little more class than this.
By all means, feel free to relate problems you've had getting recalcitrant VIPs to the gate on time but statements like
quite frankly shame us all.
You're right - I've never been to West Africa and as such I may be considered ill-equipped to comment. It doesn't bother me in the slightest how awful it may be, but I'd hope that given the level of education and life experience it takes to make a good airline pilot, that some on here would show a little more class than this.
By all means, feel free to relate problems you've had getting recalcitrant VIPs to the gate on time but statements like
Didn't his picture appear on Robertson's Silver Shred Jars?
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I have often been interested in how former British Colonies evolved after colonial rule, some notable countries USA Canada India Australia South Africa, then you look at Nigeria. I would be very interested if anyone out there has any comparison in how Nigeria is now compared to when it became independant. I suspect this so called sultan hasnt contributed a great deal!
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Unlike Dozy, I have been to West Africa more times than I remember.
Been trolley dollying in and out of Nigeria for 20+ years.
Twice in a row just recently.
This thread is far grubbier than any Lagos flight.
PPruNe at its worst.
Good on the BA crew BTW, well done!
Been trolley dollying in and out of Nigeria for 20+ years.
Twice in a row just recently.
This thread is far grubbier than any Lagos flight.
PPruNe at its worst.
Good on the BA crew BTW, well done!
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"except for President Clinton who despite the best attempts of his lackys was a concerned gentleman."
It may be an urban myth but there is a tale about Clinton that he brought JFK to a standstill for a couple of hours whilst he had his haircut aboard Air Force One!
Worked briefly in Nigeria in 1969, no fond memories at all, the bribes just to get in and out of the country were considerable as well as unofficial 'road-blocks' by the police and army to relieve one of duty-free, (inbound) and money or valuables out bound.
It may be an urban myth but there is a tale about Clinton that he brought JFK to a standstill for a couple of hours whilst he had his haircut aboard Air Force One!
Worked briefly in Nigeria in 1969, no fond memories at all, the bribes just to get in and out of the country were considerable as well as unofficial 'road-blocks' by the police and army to relieve one of duty-free, (inbound) and money or valuables out bound.
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Having been to every continent (exept Australia), up and down, Lagos was seriously the worst place I have ever been to.
As mentioned above, many countries had to deal with colonialism, and it took time to recouver from that system, but nowhere have I been escorted by two police cars to the hotel, with the luggage riding seperate. Nowhere has the mechanic told me to what lenghts they go, to simply get a hydraulics pump for an AOG into the country. I have never seen anywhere houses constructed with defensive rings, steel doors,allowing the residents to slowly retreat into the innermost part, fitted as a safe room. Nowhere did we hop the curb and get riding back into the other direction because we simply had to stop at a little traffic jam. The German government keeps federal police there, for an extra security screening. Talking to them was very enlightening about the local fake passport industry (yes, industry).
I felt halfway safe at Addis, Asmara, I walked the streets in the dark in Caracas, went drinking in Brasil, everything was fine.
But in Lagos, I wouldn't want to take a stroll around the hotel...
I don't want to speculate about the reasons for it to be as it is, but to me happiness is to contact Niamey, northbound, after having avoided the opposite traffic Lagos control just cleared me into...
Nic
As mentioned above, many countries had to deal with colonialism, and it took time to recouver from that system, but nowhere have I been escorted by two police cars to the hotel, with the luggage riding seperate. Nowhere has the mechanic told me to what lenghts they go, to simply get a hydraulics pump for an AOG into the country. I have never seen anywhere houses constructed with defensive rings, steel doors,allowing the residents to slowly retreat into the innermost part, fitted as a safe room. Nowhere did we hop the curb and get riding back into the other direction because we simply had to stop at a little traffic jam. The German government keeps federal police there, for an extra security screening. Talking to them was very enlightening about the local fake passport industry (yes, industry).
I felt halfway safe at Addis, Asmara, I walked the streets in the dark in Caracas, went drinking in Brasil, everything was fine.
But in Lagos, I wouldn't want to take a stroll around the hotel...
I don't want to speculate about the reasons for it to be as it is, but to me happiness is to contact Niamey, northbound, after having avoided the opposite traffic Lagos control just cleared me into...
Nic
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Non pilot speaking.
DozyWannabe
But pilots are just human beings! Some are fabulous people and some are (ahem) less so - all that is judged is whether they can pass the exams and conduct themselves in a way that enables them to conduct their duties.
Some leaders, be they Prime Ministers and Presidents, Kings or Popes are fabulous people and some are (ahem) less so. One religious leader is the Dalai Lama, another is (according to information received) the Sultan of Sokoto. Lastly, it is well known that the staff surrounding VIPs often behave far worse than the VIP.
DozyWannabe
I'd hope that given the level of education and life experience it takes to make a good airline pilot, that some on here would show a little more class than this.
Some leaders, be they Prime Ministers and Presidents, Kings or Popes are fabulous people and some are (ahem) less so. One religious leader is the Dalai Lama, another is (according to information received) the Sultan of Sokoto. Lastly, it is well known that the staff surrounding VIPs often behave far worse than the VIP.
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The worst type of people on this planet are the know it all, never done it, head in the sand do-gooders. The reason people act 'badly' is that you let them get away with it with your stupid PC attitude, even though you would be up in arms if they moved in next door to you. (secretly though through a friend of a friend)
Unfortunately, some people are destined to behave badly, that is the way it is.
If you have never been there, shut the f*** up. You do not know what you are talking about at all. The people who have and do including me are commenting from real life personal experience.
Unfortunately, some people are destined to behave badly, that is the way it is.
If you have never been there, shut the f*** up. You do not know what you are talking about at all. The people who have and do including me are commenting from real life personal experience.