C210 Crash In Windhoek Eros
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Saw a C210 dip down into the industrial area at Eros earlier after taking off, followed by aiport sirens going off...
anyone know what happened?
anyone know what happened?
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C210 had engine failure after take-off, (enroute to Mokuti Lodge) and landed on railway tracks opposite Pioneerspark cemetery. Minor injuries only. Info according to Radiowave 96.7
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Namibia?
At the time of writing I did not have the details - sorry for the wrong assumption based on the previous posts. My post would only be valid if it were an engine failure and the pax & pilot did walk away from the crash as was suggested - which it was not as is apparent from the info here and on other forums. Sorry
The following is therefore purely discussional:
My dear Avpsych
There is only one way to prevent aircraft accidents or even engine failures: Don't fly.
I seem to struggle to understand what you percieve as scary - the engine failure or the emergency landing? - Both are common - any student pilot will tell you the vital actions in the event of an engine failure is drilled and practiced - just for one reason that the pilot keep his cool and land the aircraft safely!
Any how - the best maintenance in the world has not managed to prevent engine failures - the rate at which they come in pistons is just alarmingly higher than those in turbines.
Congratulations to the pilot for getting the 210 on the ground - although the 210 might have suffered some damage - from the posts I understand they virtually walked away from the crash - and as my instructor said if the engine failed any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!
Stirred?
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The following is therefore purely discussional:
This is scary
There is surely something wrong in Namibian aviation. I am starting to lose count of accidents lately in Namibia. Is it maintenance or pilots or what?
There is surely something wrong in Namibian aviation. I am starting to lose count of accidents lately in Namibia. Is it maintenance or pilots or what?
There is only one way to prevent aircraft accidents or even engine failures: Don't fly.
I seem to struggle to understand what you percieve as scary - the engine failure or the emergency landing? - Both are common - any student pilot will tell you the vital actions in the event of an engine failure is drilled and practiced - just for one reason that the pilot keep his cool and land the aircraft safely!
Any how - the best maintenance in the world has not managed to prevent engine failures - the rate at which they come in pistons is just alarmingly higher than those in turbines.
Congratulations to the pilot for getting the 210 on the ground - although the 210 might have suffered some damage - from the posts I understand they virtually walked away from the crash - and as my instructor said if the engine failed any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!
VG300
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Yeah, there have been a lot of occurrences lately. We definitely need to review our procedures. That specific accident was confirmed by Chief ATC just before their debrief with the press and other authorities late this morning. I am sure more facts will surface soon. Happy landings ladies and gents…
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My dear VortexGen 300,
In my humble opinion,the fact that we are taught to deal with engine failures does not make it any less scary! I have been lucky thus far in not having experienced one.
My point is that it cannot just be coincidence that we have had so many problems over a short period of time in Namibia.
We need to have a good look at aviation in Namibia.
In my humble opinion,the fact that we are taught to deal with engine failures does not make it any less scary! I have been lucky thus far in not having experienced one.
My point is that it cannot just be coincidence that we have had so many problems over a short period of time in Namibia.
We need to have a good look at aviation in Namibia.
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According to unconfirmed reports, the aircraft never gained height, let alone loosing height. It took 7/8 of runway 01 to get airborne, just missing the trees at the end off the runway. Heard that the luggage was taken away by the investigators to be weight, as it appears that the pax had more than their allowable 13 kgs of luggage.
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The pilot was indeed fortunate. Well Done!
However, weighing the aircraft will not prevent an engine failure.
From what I remember flying C210's years ago, it was empty at 2200lbs, plus 6 pax (1020lbs) plus full fuel at 534 lbs, still left you 46 lbs for luggage and thats at 170 per pax. (3800 lbs max t/o). The much newer models had a 325 hp engine and took off at over 4000lbs. I saw one in Djibouti once on a ferry. I stand to be corrected,
It was indeed a work horse and a pleasure to fly.
Well done to the crew!
However, weighing the aircraft will not prevent an engine failure.
From what I remember flying C210's years ago, it was empty at 2200lbs, plus 6 pax (1020lbs) plus full fuel at 534 lbs, still left you 46 lbs for luggage and thats at 170 per pax. (3800 lbs max t/o). The much newer models had a 325 hp engine and took off at over 4000lbs. I saw one in Djibouti once on a ferry. I stand to be corrected,
It was indeed a work horse and a pleasure to fly.
Well done to the crew!
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People hear, please note they don't say. It was not engine failure. The engine was running at full force when it hit the ground. Check the newspapers on Monday to see those pictures. www.republikein.com.na or www.namibian.com.na
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Pax did not "walk away"
My sister-in-law was on board with her husband (two US citizens) She has suffered severe injury to her spine and was airlifted to johansberg for surgery. As of today, she's still not able to walk due to the injury sustained. Plane called may day right after take off, clipped trees and then into power lines and then into the tracks. Her husband pulled all survivors out of the plane that was leaking fuel.
Looking for pics or any other details related to this incident. Appreciate any additional information as we only have minimal details.
Thanks, and fly safe.
Ryan
Looking for pics or any other details related to this incident. Appreciate any additional information as we only have minimal details.
Thanks, and fly safe.
Ryan
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Quite right mikolasik123, that accident was quite serious. More stories and pictures in the New Era - http://www.newera.com.na/page.php?id=7046 and Die Republikein - http://www.republikein.com.na/images/Cessna-2103.jpg
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Thanks, Phenom. Appreciate the additional information. Looking at the photos of the a/c, it's a miracle they survived.
Appreciate any other info from others as well.
Appreciate any other info from others as well.
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Planecrazi, you right with calculations, but what was actual weight of occupants + luggage? May find that it is not quite simple as a weight and balance on paper.
Though the engine was running at high power, was it generating MAX power?
The pilot did a FANTASTIC job considering the circumstances he faced....but a lot of questions to be asked?
Wondering if he had a cut off point to abort the take off if he did not have the correct speed considering the length of the runway and using 7/8 of it?
Though the engine was running at high power, was it generating MAX power?
The pilot did a FANTASTIC job considering the circumstances he faced
....but a lot of questions to be asked?Wondering if he had a cut off point to abort the take off if he did not have the correct speed considering the length of the runway and using 7/8 of it?
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Glad everyone is OK. A shame to see that aircraft gone as it had a new engine and was great to fly.
Hey Insane - Where did you get info on the pilot taking 7/8 of the runway? Someone in a previous post quoted that as unconfirmed... Not saying that you're incorrect, just that it's best to get the facts first BEFORE shooting.
Cheers
Hey Insane - Where did you get info on the pilot taking 7/8 of the runway? Someone in a previous post quoted that as unconfirmed... Not saying that you're incorrect, just that it's best to get the facts first BEFORE shooting.
Cheers
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BBN RADAR... Just picked up on the post from SQUARE HEAD.
No disrespect to the pilot intended or the way he handled the situation. My respects to him.
There is always a lesson to learn from an incident like this and as an Instructor I am looking for the lessons so that I can pass them on to my students to try and make them safer!!
No disrespect to the pilot intended or the way he handled the situation. My respects to him.
There is always a lesson to learn from an incident like this and as an Instructor I am looking for the lessons so that I can pass them on to my students to try and make them safer!!
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Regarding VOEL`s comment, bit sarcastic, "if you can read afrikaans" as for the Republikein the horses mouth, rather the horses ass..how many of the pilots calculate the acc/stop/go distance on the 210 and 310`s that they fly there..or do you use a general marker that if you not starting to rotate at that point you abort..what about the bush strips you fly into and out of, do you calculate it there? I worked in Nam for a few years flying 210`s 310`s and one of the first Van`s that operated there and I know that while things go well nobody says a thing, but when something happens then everybody has a piece to say who do exactly the same..as for Mik, best wishes to your family that was on board and to everyone else that`s involved in the accident.
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Don't think it was meant sarcastically. There are many many readers on these forums who do not understand Afrikaans. I think Voel just wanted to save them the trouble of surfing past a website they wouldn't understand.....but I do agree with you about the horse's anatomy.
And I know that nobody calculates any distances. I certainly never did at Eros, and that was before they lengthened the runway. A person should actually have a look at the number of C210s that depart Eros and how they get loaded. If there is still space, more gets put on board, regardless of weight. Surprising that there are not more mishaps.
Don't think it was meant sarcastically. There are many many readers on these forums who do not understand Afrikaans. I think Voel just wanted to save them the trouble of surfing past a website they wouldn't understand.....but I do agree with you about the horse's anatomy.
And I know that nobody calculates any distances. I certainly never did at Eros, and that was before they lengthened the runway. A person should actually have a look at the number of C210s that depart Eros and how they get loaded. If there is still space, more gets put on board, regardless of weight. Surprising that there are not more mishaps.