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1900 Down in Rumbek (HSMK)
Hi,
Just heard from a Safair C-130 crew returning from Wau that a 1900 down at Rumbek in Sudan. Initial reports 21 on board, heaven hopes we are wrong but sounds like 21 casualties.
Our thoughts are with all those people who have been affected by this tragedy.
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Just heard from a Safair C-130 crew returning from Wau that a 1900 down at Rumbek in Sudan. Initial reports 21 on board, heaven hopes we are wrong but sounds like 21 casualties.
Our thoughts are with all those people who have been affected by this tragedy.
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B-1900 C 5y-flx
B-1900 C operated by Flex Air as South Sudan Connection departed HSWW at 07:47 Z.
2 + 19 on board, 3 hrs fuel endurance
Issued May Day at 08:01 Z and crashed approx 15 mins later.
UN co-ordinated a SAR with helis out of HSWW and HSMK and located crash site at approx 09:51 Z
No survivors.
Bad WX at HSMK may have been a factor as A/C was known to be trying to get in there.
Sudan Minister on board + his entourage (mainly military personnel).
2 + 19 on board, 3 hrs fuel endurance
Issued May Day at 08:01 Z and crashed approx 15 mins later.
UN co-ordinated a SAR with helis out of HSWW and HSMK and located crash site at approx 09:51 Z
No survivors.
Bad WX at HSMK may have been a factor as A/C was known to be trying to get in there.
Sudan Minister on board + his entourage (mainly military personnel).
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Very sorry to hear of the loss of the two crew and their pax. Wx has been tricky here lately and perhaps a factor. Understand it was the Min of Defence but I would be suprised if an act of war and feel that speculation might be inapproriate right now. Lets hear what the UN guys on site have to report.
Fly safe
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Fly safe
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If the timings are correct the A/C was only 15 mins out of HSWW.
At the time HSWW WX was good though there was cloud cover.
Why did they not just return to HSWW ? At least it would have been a better option for them than HSMK, and maybe would have had a better ending.
Pressures of a VIP charter maybe ?
At the time HSWW WX was good though there was cloud cover.
Why did they not just return to HSWW ? At least it would have been a better option for them than HSMK, and maybe would have had a better ending.
Pressures of a VIP charter maybe ?
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There were some very important people on thsi flight but SPLA are fairly good travellers and understand aviation safety so would be suprised if they applied pressure on the crew.
BREAKING NEWS-SPLA minister killed in plane crash in South Sudan
Friday 2 May 2008 14:43
May 2, 2008 (KHARTOUM) — Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) Affairs Minister Dominic Dim Deng and other 19 military officials have been killed as result of a plane crash between Wau and Juba, the Sudan Television reported today.
Justin Yak, GoSS Presidential Security Adviser was among the officials killed in the plane crash.
BREAKING NEWS-SPLA minister killed in plane crash in South Sudan
Friday 2 May 2008 14:43
May 2, 2008 (KHARTOUM) — Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) Affairs Minister Dominic Dim Deng and other 19 military officials have been killed as result of a plane crash between Wau and Juba, the Sudan Television reported today.
Justin Yak, GoSS Presidential Security Adviser was among the officials killed in the plane crash.
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South Sudan
Friday 2 May 2008 14:43
May 2, 2008 (KHARTOUM) — Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) Affairs Minister Dominic Dim Deng and other 19 military officials have been killed as result of a plane crash between Wau and Juba, the Sudan Television reported today.
Dominic Dim Deng (ST) Justin Yak, GoSS Presidential Security Adviser was among the officials killed in the plane crash.
Vice President of the Government of South Sudan, Riak Machar told SUNA that the Minister of SPLA Affairs, Dominic Dim Deng and 23 people, including 19 officers died today, Friday, in the crash of the plane that was travelling from Wau to Juba.
Machar added that the plane crashed Friday afternoon in Gogrial area, about 375 kilometres west of Juba.
He also ruled out that the plane was "downed by some one or crashed as result of any conspiracy." He further said that "the plane which was rented from one airline was carrying a delegation of SPLM leadership from Wau to the city of Juba, after attending a meeting of the SPLM."
He indicated that an investigation will be conducted to determine the cause of the crash.
The crashed plane belongs to Southern Sudan Air Connection Company.
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Friday 2 May 2008 14:43
May 2, 2008 (KHARTOUM) — Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) Affairs Minister Dominic Dim Deng and other 19 military officials have been killed as result of a plane crash between Wau and Juba, the Sudan Television reported today.
Dominic Dim Deng (ST) Justin Yak, GoSS Presidential Security Adviser was among the officials killed in the plane crash.
Vice President of the Government of South Sudan, Riak Machar told SUNA that the Minister of SPLA Affairs, Dominic Dim Deng and 23 people, including 19 officers died today, Friday, in the crash of the plane that was travelling from Wau to Juba.
Machar added that the plane crashed Friday afternoon in Gogrial area, about 375 kilometres west of Juba.
He also ruled out that the plane was "downed by some one or crashed as result of any conspiracy." He further said that "the plane which was rented from one airline was carrying a delegation of SPLM leadership from Wau to the city of Juba, after attending a meeting of the SPLM."
He indicated that an investigation will be conducted to determine the cause of the crash.
The crashed plane belongs to Southern Sudan Air Connection Company.
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Quote: "........Dominic Dim Deng and 23 people,....."
Is a B1900 able to legally take 24 people? I have flown in numerous B1900s in different continents and the most any have taken is 21 - two crew and 19 pax.
Is a B1900 able to legally take 24 people? I have flown in numerous B1900s in different continents and the most any have taken is 21 - two crew and 19 pax.
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UN C, how are you mate? where were they planning on going with 3 hrs Fuel? In a C and 3 hrs, the only options would be Juba or Rumbek. Where did they log next destination as in the green book in the terminal?
My condolences to all involved. To the crew in Sudan, wx is EVIL at the moment and earlier in the year than expected, keep it safe.
Dog
My condolences to all involved. To the crew in Sudan, wx is EVIL at the moment and earlier in the year than expected, keep it safe.
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Pax seats in Africa
Hi Carrier
You are probably 100% right if you were to follow the POH and the rest of the documentation like W&B etc . . .
But from experience in Africa - that was probably only the recommendation in the eyes of the people - it was probably deemed safe to add a pax sitting on a cooler box or suitcase.
In Africa certification to a certain number of seats is nearly always deemed a recommended number - if there is space - Hey they can probably fit in?
The other option was probably the fact that the reports could be a bit distorted - like reporters jumping to confusion - and drawing conclusions from anything but facts!
Stirred?
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Is a B1900 able to legally take 24 people? I have flown in numerous B1900s in different continents and the most any have taken is 21 - two crew and 19 pax.
But from experience in Africa - that was probably only the recommendation in the eyes of the people - it was probably deemed safe to add a pax sitting on a cooler box or suitcase.
In Africa certification to a certain number of seats is nearly always deemed a recommended number - if there is space - Hey they can probably fit in?
The other option was probably the fact that the reports could be a bit distorted - like reporters jumping to confusion - and drawing conclusions from anything but facts!
Stirred?
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The journos in KRT dont report the facts so I seriously doubt there were 24 pax on board. There is not space in a C. And ias UN C said, it flew for 15 min at least before the MAYDAY, so W&B is unlikely to be the cause.
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Sad news
Sincerest condolences to all those affected by this sad and tragic event. My thoughts are with the friends, families and co-workers of the crew and passengers in the difficult time ahead.
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I tried to find Flex Air on the net...
What is this company like? (aircraft, contracts, etc.)
Another terrible day in aviation,
Something must be done in Sudan. Too many crashes, too many lives lost.
What is this company like? (aircraft, contracts, etc.)
Another terrible day in aviation,
Something must be done in Sudan. Too many crashes, too many lives lost.
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1900 Down
People,
Please can we just "allow the dust to settle" before we start making any judgements.
At this stage I feel that we would be better served as an aviation community to reflect on this tragedy and give those who have been so terribly affected time to come to terms with their grief.
This is the least that we can offer them.
Please fly safely.
ArendIII.
Please can we just "allow the dust to settle" before we start making any judgements.
At this stage I feel that we would be better served as an aviation community to reflect on this tragedy and give those who have been so terribly affected time to come to terms with their grief.
This is the least that we can offer them.
Please fly safely.
ArendIII.