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Stickerlink lost their Middle East contract due the fact that they couldn`t produce the 145`s in the time frame that was agreed upon and they won`t be getting those acft at all..Question is, did they ever have that contract or was CB bulls&%*ing again..sorry to the pilots who are sitting around waiting on the empty promises at least they been getting paid since they did the sim training and those who been bonded on the 120 with the promise of gettin on the jets..!
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No surprises that Stickerlink lost that contract.
If you know the inner-workings of NL the way I do, you realize that all that alleged deal was was typical CB hot air.
The company does not have the technical competence, flying expertise, or bank financing to acquire E145s.
The only good thing that came out of all this is that some of my mates got a type and a fat paycheck for sitting on their butts for a few months.
I hate to say this because I have many good friends there, but NLink is closer to filing for bankruptcy than getting a jet anytime soon.
For those who aren't in the know: the true results of CB + Jannie's Sao Tome expedition as well as all the looting and plundering Charlie Bravo has done to his own organization are about to become apparent. It is not looking good over there at Wonderboom for Stickerlink. There were some long faces last week seen around their headquarters. NL pilots - get your resumes ready! Well, at least CB is well experienced with the bankruptcy process, having been there twice already.
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If you know the inner-workings of NL the way I do, you realize that all that alleged deal was was typical CB hot air.
The company does not have the technical competence, flying expertise, or bank financing to acquire E145s.
The only good thing that came out of all this is that some of my mates got a type and a fat paycheck for sitting on their butts for a few months.
I hate to say this because I have many good friends there, but NLink is closer to filing for bankruptcy than getting a jet anytime soon.
For those who aren't in the know: the true results of CB + Jannie's Sao Tome expedition as well as all the looting and plundering Charlie Bravo has done to his own organization are about to become apparent. It is not looking good over there at Wonderboom for Stickerlink. There were some long faces last week seen around their headquarters. NL pilots - get your resumes ready! Well, at least CB is well experienced with the bankruptcy process, having been there twice already.
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This all would not be so funny if it was not so serious.
But, to be frank, just take a look at the lifestyle CB and some of the other upper-echelon management types at NL have been living and the extent of their skimming and kick backs becomes apparent.
You just do not have some of the things those guys have on what a rinky-dink charter operator produces.
The ironic thing is, the chunk of NL that CB sold back in the fall is what did him in. Then, their financial records came under more scrutiny and thats what is leading to this downfall.
Sorry to all those affected, but the next couple weeks at Wonderboom will be mighty interesting :-)
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But, to be frank, just take a look at the lifestyle CB and some of the other upper-echelon management types at NL have been living and the extent of their skimming and kick backs becomes apparent.
You just do not have some of the things those guys have on what a rinky-dink charter operator produces.
The ironic thing is, the chunk of NL that CB sold back in the fall is what did him in. Then, their financial records came under more scrutiny and thats what is leading to this downfall.
Sorry to all those affected, but the next couple weeks at Wonderboom will be mighty interesting :-)
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After Safair pulled their stakes and Imperial got out NL is on a downward spiral..they sold 120`s with promised contracts and those acft not all on contract..owners stuck with payments for acft that ain`t doiing anything..! 
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Without knowing anything much about the workings of either the Saudi Arabian contract or the company's inner structure it does, nonetheless, seem strange that Nature Link, had it wanted to, was unable to raise the finance to acquire Emb 145s to replace the 120s it apparently already has in that part of the sandpit. One might perhaps reasonably have thought that the initial contract tender would have been financially based upon the provision of jet services, which might have been more in keeping with the mind set found in that part of the world, than on a turbo prop schedule.
In any event, had the contract been lucrative enough to be sustainable in the long term one would have thought that an accomodation could have been arrived at with either Brasilia or a leasing company to provide such aircraft.
Insofar as pilots are concerned, one can only feel a degree of sympathy for those involved with the company, having experienced at first hand an attitude from some company personnel which might, at the least, be described as strange and out of place in the overall context of an aviation environment.
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"But, to be frank, just take a look at the lifestyle CB and some of the other upper-echelon management types at NL have been living"
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Since when is driving a Hilux Bakkie such a high lifestyle.
Obviously you have not spent much time with other Aviation Companies Directors in our industry.
Even a low time pilot like myself drives better cars than this.
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Since when is driving a Hilux Bakkie such a high lifestyle.
Obviously you have not spent much time with other Aviation Companies Directors in our industry.
Even a low time pilot like myself drives better cars than this.
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Only a fool draws attention to his wealth by flaunting a life style so ostentatious as to solicit inquiry from others as to the methods by which he acquired such fortune and the book keeping which is legally required to substantiate such a manifestation of opulence.
That is only a rather general statement don't you understand? There are those of us around who drive SL 500s simply because we prefer to do so rather than helicopter it to the amusement parlour which we call work.
What is perhaps rather more interesting is that, if there are no NL Emb 120s in Saudi Arabia, then why is the company talking about three crews, asap, or is it six crews for three aircraft?
Something certainly seems a little peculiar but there we are, pilots should not concern themselves with such matters and should be confined to the cockpit until after tea time.
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CB does indeed drive a Hilux bakkie..a COMPANY bakkie..so why would he drive his Merc to work..and old Jannie whas his Merc stashed away too..let`s all feel sorry for the poor poor management in their 19 voetsek Hilux cabbie`s..
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...and when Charlie Bravo has time off, he goes and relaxes at his lion hunting lodge. And he's got a fleet of cars at home in the garage. And when Charlie Bravo wants to go flying, he has a Falcon 50. Or if he wants to do General Aviation stuff, he just takes the plane he gave his snot-nosed kid for a trip around the pattern....
Starting to make sense?
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Starting to make sense?
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Malagant and Malloy,
You guys tend to have some very personal problems with CB and JDK. Why dont you guys go see them face to face and sort your stuff out.
Probably dont have the balls do you.
Your facts are also way out guys, if you going to get personal atleast get your facts right.
You guys tend to have some very personal problems with CB and JDK. Why dont you guys go see them face to face and sort your stuff out.
Probably dont have the balls do you.
Your facts are also way out guys, if you going to get personal atleast get your facts right.
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JMSP:
You obviously do not know Briers very well. He is one of the most arrogant, self-centered people I've ever met. He's also a financial sleazebag, can suck investors in, but specializes in blowing investor money on really questionable practices. He wouldn't have had the $$$ for NLink if his wife hadn't given him the start up funds. With Stickerlink, he's had a good run of things, but it is more "right place/right time" than any particular skill on behalf of him or the clowns who run NLink. Lets face it, who can't make money with a Caravan in Africa. The ironic thing is, as they've moved into bigger aircraft, with bigger acquisition and maintenance costs, that is where his pillaging and looting of NL becomes most apparent, as they just don't have the capital to fund the projects they talk about. Nor can they even get financing for an aircraft - those bankers who have full access to the NL balance sheet and contracts see full well how porous NL's bottom line is.
Having put in more than enough time at Wonderboom, I just feel sorry for the pilot corps. There are some good guys over there on all the fleets. I hope it works for them, but I've given my closest friends who are still there the heads up to start looking because once the axe falls, Solenta & the other companies are going to be inundated with resumes of 100+ NL pilots.
This E145 fall-through is only the tip of iceberg. Expect news of some major financial improprieties by him to emerge very soon. I give him a month more, two tops, as CEO. Enjoy that fancy office and CEO seat while you have it Chris!
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You obviously do not know Briers very well. He is one of the most arrogant, self-centered people I've ever met. He's also a financial sleazebag, can suck investors in, but specializes in blowing investor money on really questionable practices. He wouldn't have had the $$$ for NLink if his wife hadn't given him the start up funds. With Stickerlink, he's had a good run of things, but it is more "right place/right time" than any particular skill on behalf of him or the clowns who run NLink. Lets face it, who can't make money with a Caravan in Africa. The ironic thing is, as they've moved into bigger aircraft, with bigger acquisition and maintenance costs, that is where his pillaging and looting of NL becomes most apparent, as they just don't have the capital to fund the projects they talk about. Nor can they even get financing for an aircraft - those bankers who have full access to the NL balance sheet and contracts see full well how porous NL's bottom line is.
Having put in more than enough time at Wonderboom, I just feel sorry for the pilot corps. There are some good guys over there on all the fleets. I hope it works for them, but I've given my closest friends who are still there the heads up to start looking because once the axe falls, Solenta & the other companies are going to be inundated with resumes of 100+ NL pilots.
This E145 fall-through is only the tip of iceberg. Expect news of some major financial improprieties by him to emerge very soon. I give him a month more, two tops, as CEO. Enjoy that fancy office and CEO seat while you have it Chris!
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FYI..my facts are from personal experience and have friends still working for stickerlink..and if you think we would not love to have a face off with CB and JdeK the biggest BS, you got it way wrong, .thing is CB likes to run to his laywers rather quick..but why bother..what goes around comes around..Fact..they don`t have 145`s, Fact..they do drive Hilux company trucks..Fact..they do own Mercs..Fact..they did lose the Middle East contract..thats four facts for you beside many more that I can list here! You are entitled your opinion but don`t tell other people that they don`t have the correct facts..and another fact is that their chief pilot has been looking at certain company that operates Lears out of FALA..
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Malloy & Malagant,
If you have an axe to grind do it in person, your accusations and "facts" borders on malicious. This is a rumour network, you are becomming personal with known individuals.
Mods, in my considered opinion, this thread is getting out of hand.
If you have an axe to grind do it in person, your accusations and "facts" borders on malicious
. This is a rumour network, you are becomming personal with known individuals.Mods, in my considered opinion, this thread is getting out of hand.
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It is indeed becoming a little personal here and that's not a good thing.
However the company did launch a recruitment drive for Emb 120 pilots.
It apparently has trained or rated Emb 145 crews.
It said at recent interview sessions that it needed Emb 120 pilots to be based in Riyadh asap.
The excuses given at such interviews for not having the 145s operational were vague at best and certainly of economic dubiety.
So why did NL go to all that trouble and actually mess pilots around for a contract which it seems they have 'lost' . But then did the company ever have a memorandum of understanding, at the least, in the first place and, if so, why did they lose it?
Most interesting of all perhaps would be to know with whom NL were dealing in the sandy playpen and whether that operator/company is now looking for Emb 120 or Emb 145 pilots for a Saudi operation and is their pay structure is any better than NLs which, by international standards, was pretty poor?
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Cheetah,
Good questions, I believe the contract was signed, but at number 99 Saudi declared “open skies” which affected the Saudi operators route feasibility for 145’s, so to see if it can work they requested 120’s instead, meaning the 145’s are not quite out of the picture but they certainly are delayed. That’s aviation for you.
As for the so called facts, posted by the two M’s. I know both individuals JdK sold his Merc about a year ago, CB never had a Merc that I know of, the closest was a Japanese copy made by Toyota. So, so much for that fact.
Good questions, I believe the contract was signed, but at number 99 Saudi declared “open skies” which affected the Saudi operators route feasibility for 145’s, so to see if it can work they requested 120’s instead, meaning the 145’s are not quite out of the picture but they certainly are delayed. That’s aviation for you.
As for the so called facts, posted by the two M’s. I know both individuals JdK sold his Merc about a year ago, CB never had a Merc that I know of, the closest was a Japanese copy made by Toyota. So, so much for that fact.
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Ah well then, the whole thing sounds like a dead duck.
That presumably only leaves the matter of those E145 pilots who might have signed a training bond rather up in the air.
If one signs a bond for a type rating on the basis that gainful employment on that type will subsequently be provided and that employment is not forthcoming due entirely to the provider's problems, is that bond then still legally enforceable for repayment?
One would think that any adjudicating tribunal or whatever would bend over backwards to decide any such action in favour of the pilots who might have signed such a bond?
One factor that might however make any such claim for non repayment any such training bond would be, of course, if as a direct consequence of having obtained that type rating, the pilot in question was able to obtain gainful employment almost immediately with another operator of the same type, i.e. the 145?
But that is all rather idle speculation I suppose.
Incidentally, the car park at NL's FAWB base is conspicuous by its absence of shiny four wheel machines and instead, the plethora of ghastly old heaps standing about. It really is quite immaterial as to what anyone else might drive, what we on these forums should be rather more interested in is what we fly, the price, quality and availability of beer and the application of a similar consideration with regard to the hostesses.
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Couldn’t agree with you more, especially the beer and aircraft bit.
As far as I know the crews trained on the 145 have been released from the training bond and the offer was made to move them into the 120 pool, with seniority nogal.
Those who want leave are free to do so, considering the current shortage in the industry, that's not a bad deal, in my opinion.
As far as I know the crews trained on the 145 have been released from the training bond and the offer was made to move them into the 120 pool, with seniority nogal. Those who want leave are free to do so, considering the current shortage in the industry, that's not a bad deal, in my opinion.