TOLD Card (take off and landing data)

[cavortingcheetah]

You can have a play around with this, but the precise information required seems to be lacking in the specifics of the document.

http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/6E4...Ed2Rev1TR1.pdf

Anyway, once you've waded through all 520 pages and discovered that there seems to be no workable index the answer to your question is probably contained within what follows.

Most pilots rip up the TOLD cards and discard them lest the wrong card be used in the future. Pilots probably should place the used TOLD card, which should at least have a date or flight number written somewhere on it, with the rest of the flight paperwork to be retained for the appropriate period of time.

Some operators do keep them, some do not, some do not even use them at all, as has been pointed out. The presumption then must be that if your operator requires TOLD cards, as perhaps per Ops Manual, then they form part of the flight documentation and must be kept as such.

[AirwayBlocker]

Arend,

Have you considered asking your ops manager what he/she would like you to do with them? Seems that if your company wants to satisfy some IOSA requirement then they would be the best source of an answer to your question.

And if you do I, for one, would be curious to know his/her answer.

I know of companies that use them and those that don't. I even know one company that was using them on one fleet but not on the other. I'm not sure what their current situation is though.

[Malagant]

Supposed to attached them to the Nav logs, Daily flight reports W&B and flight plan copy and retained at your company, and it can be used a a legal document somewhere down the line if you need to..also depends if you flying part 121/135 etc. These days you have to monitor fuel use and make an entry at each fix of fuel remaining on the Nav log etc as the CAA are starting to check the nav logs and they will pull the nav log if they suspect you didn`t have the correct fuel or something about that particular flight that caught their attention and a TOLD card with the correct T/ Off weight etc will just maybe save yo butt.

[mutt]

We keep them in the flight envelope and return them to dispatch, they are then filed for a period of 6 months. They are audited on occasions to check how accurate they are and if crew training methods need to be revised. We are IOSA certified.

I dont think that it comes down to having them or not, but actually showing a process that exists if you do have them.

Mutt

[Zenj]

We have passed thru lot of scenarios.
1, we put them together in the paper folder

2, when SAA came in , we tear them after take-off checklist is completed, no landing data needed on the card

3, now again on our own , we fill the landing, not necessary though, then tear them into the dustbins after landing

No clear or precise guidelines from the airline itself.

[ARENDIII]

Told cards

Thank you guys!
It seems as though we need a concerted effort to have some sort of standardisation as far as this is concerned.
To those of you who saw where I was coming from - thank you once again.
To all - A safe year ahead.
Arend III.