B1900 landing on the road at Windhoek
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B1900 road landing
B1900 enroute to Eros diverted to Hosea kutako .After circling for 45 minutes.Had reported engine/fuel problem.17 pax safe.Elize van Niekerk the pilot.Good job.Aircraft belongs to Bay air,Cliffie Strydom.
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Elize was number 7 for the approach. All flights to Eros diverted to Int'l trying to get underneath the clouds. She still had 30 minutes fuel left when she landed on the road. Its suspect that something wrong with the fuel flow.
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A little birdie told me that they ran out of fuel.......!!!! 
thats what the birdie said !!!
The 1900 with 17 pax and by the sound of it min fuel should still fly on 1 engine if 1 did fail no problem......!!!! hmmm the plot thickens !!!
but well done to the pilots in the end for getting it down safe and every one okay
thats what the birdie said !!!The 1900 with 17 pax and by the sound of it min fuel should still fly on 1 engine if 1 did fail no problem......!!!! hmmm the plot thickens !!!
but well done to the pilots in the end for getting it down safe and every one okay
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A birdie ( maybe a vulture ) told me that there might have been procedure mismanagement in the cockpit .
It might not be such an innocent tale at all , with heroes etc being praised .
Nam DCA is entering tough times . LM and his mates are not qualified to get the issues sorted out .
Might be good idea to get a Consulting Firm in to do the job .
Controllers that are underqualified ( 210 crash at Eros )
Air Baboonia that might get blacklisted from Eurocontroll
1900 crew that do not follow SOP's
Alcoholic expat pilot getting job at Air Baboonia ( 737 FO )
No DE in country to do local tests .
Sub standard crew at Air Baboonia due to Afirmative Action employment
Air Baboonia A340 captain not being able to pass a sim check , but Nam Government refuses to sack him , because his skin colour is lekka !
A fool's paradise !
It might not be such an innocent tale at all , with heroes etc being praised .
Nam DCA is entering tough times . LM and his mates are not qualified to get the issues sorted out .
Might be good idea to get a Consulting Firm in to do the job .
Controllers that are underqualified ( 210 crash at Eros )
Air Baboonia that might get blacklisted from Eurocontroll
1900 crew that do not follow SOP's
Alcoholic expat pilot getting job at Air Baboonia ( 737 FO )
No DE in country to do local tests .
Sub standard crew at Air Baboonia due to Afirmative Action employment
Air Baboonia A340 captain not being able to pass a sim check , but Nam Government refuses to sack him , because his skin colour is lekka !
A fool's paradise !
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Jester, the involved 1900 belongs to a private company in Nam called Bay Air so its got nothing to with the national carrier whatsoever! The PIC of this specific incident did work for Air Nam a couple of years back but quit because it was such a circus. And she has been approached several times after that to come and work for them again and she declined! Procedure mismanagement in the cockpit? What?!!! 
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No no, this pilot never worked for Air namibia! She was employed and went through induction course but quit before day one of duty. Was there a fuel flow problem due to mechanical faults or was the fuel flow problem due to very little fuel left to flow? If you are such a great pilot then you should know that when eros weather gets bad everyone will divert to hkia and with procedural approaches there it will take time to get aircraft on the ground. Surely she must have had a good idea of the weather to be expected in windhoek that day and then why not tanker a bit extra fuel?
But we dont know all the facts now do we.
P.s the b1900īs i flew had quite accurate fuel gauges throughout the 2500+ hours i enjoyed in them.
But we dont know all the facts now do we.
P.s the b1900īs i flew had quite accurate fuel gauges throughout the 2500+ hours i enjoyed in them.
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Took off from Walvis with 600lbs a side and without obtaining a weather report. Tanks were completely dry when aircraft was inspected after the incident. The list of regulations that were ignored is long.
The 15 in the back have no idea how lucky they are to be alive. The only hero here is the guy that managed to stop his car before running into the on coming aircraft. Huge kak on the way for all concerned.
The 15 in the back have no idea how lucky they are to be alive. The only hero here is the guy that managed to stop his car before running into the on coming aircraft. Huge kak on the way for all concerned.
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B1900 landing on the road at Windhoek
Looks like Namibian CAA, Bay Air and Crew are involved in some cover up as the B1900 owned by Cemair but crewed by Bay Air ran out of fuel on a 40 minute flight from Walvis Bay to Windhoek. Reported that Captain's husband is Chief Pilot. Deceit, lies and smelly !! Crew flying again after sham enquiry ???
Who can update us on what is happening?
Who can update us on what is happening?
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Little Birdie was Right
They ran out of fuel. Why did the crew immediately have 200 litres aside filled into the tanks straight after the landing ??
Cover without doubt. All implicated.
Cover without doubt. All implicated.
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Get your facts right
The B1900 is owned by Cemair at Lanseria and was on a AI lease to Bay Air. The crew had insufficient fuel for the flight. Low fuel lights illuminated 20 odd minutes into the flight and they did not declare an emergency !!!!!
Captain's hubby is Chief Pilot. Lots of lies and deceit. No hero stuff at all. Just very poor airmanship and shouldn't be in Command.
Should be fired for lying.
Captain's hubby is Chief Pilot. Lots of lies and deceit. No hero stuff at all. Just very poor airmanship and shouldn't be in Command.
Should be fired for lying.
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Elize screwed up boytjie !! She ran out of fuel !! Took off and 20 minutes into the flight the low fuel annunciater woke them up !! They took off with 1200 lbs !! Hey, isn't it obvious. She should do the honourable and own up to the lie. At least we'd have respect for her then.
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Flyboy, there is no cover up. DCAs's calculation determined that they had 500 lbs of fuel less than required. Crew's calculations gone badly wrong. Lets learn from that and not backstab each other.
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Thanks Voel, you right about back stabbing. Not meant to backstab. I just don't like flying in airspace where other crew are not ruthlessly honest.
Can't tell you the source, but can confirm a very serious attempt was made at covering up. The whole thing started changing when the SA CAA got involved...SA registered aircraft and SA Licenced crew. There is much more to the plot than is visible. Ever flown in IF into destinations where other crew lie about their position ? Especially Russians, but not restricted to Russians. There is no place in the skies for crew whom are deceitful and not brutally honest. Frank openess and honesty in flying is what I support.
There is a history of psychological denial linked to crashes. Crew had low fuel lights 20 to 25 minutes into the flight, but continued and didn't declare an emergency. Guess your life wasn't threatned..however all the pax were !! they wouldn't have held for 15 minutes if they had declared an emergency early in the arrival. It is idiots like them that give the rest of us a bad name. We all make mistakes, we have all bust altitude etc....the difference is being brutally honest about it and not having the psychology of denial. Who are we bull****ting..only ourselves.
You view would be different if they had lied/denied about being at the a different level or position, yet were at the same level or position in a conflicting direction to you and a very near miss occurred or you guys collided.
Sorry Voel, I rate honesty above sticking together/backstabbing
Can't tell you the source, but can confirm a very serious attempt was made at covering up. The whole thing started changing when the SA CAA got involved...SA registered aircraft and SA Licenced crew. There is much more to the plot than is visible. Ever flown in IF into destinations where other crew lie about their position ? Especially Russians, but not restricted to Russians. There is no place in the skies for crew whom are deceitful and not brutally honest. Frank openess and honesty in flying is what I support.
There is a history of psychological denial linked to crashes. Crew had low fuel lights 20 to 25 minutes into the flight, but continued and didn't declare an emergency. Guess your life wasn't threatned..however all the pax were !! they wouldn't have held for 15 minutes if they had declared an emergency early in the arrival. It is idiots like them that give the rest of us a bad name. We all make mistakes, we have all bust altitude etc....the difference is being brutally honest about it and not having the psychology of denial. Who are we bull****ting..only ourselves.
You view would be different if they had lied/denied about being at the a different level or position, yet were at the same level or position in a conflicting direction to you and a very near miss occurred or you guys collided.
Sorry Voel, I rate honesty above sticking together/backstabbing